What, pray tell, is our offensive system?

[Avoid_Lloyd]

Except Tomlin was the coach with Haley and others when we did throw all over the place. You can't dismiss that. I think the big problem right now is the zone blocking scheme, and I blame Tomlin for not getting rid of it. I hate the scheme. Particularly with young talented lineman. Let them use their size and agility to go hit someone without having to overthink it.

Cmon dude, give it up.

Haley was forced on Tomlin and hand picked by Rooney and had a mandate to from Rooney to run his offense the way Haley wanted to prolong Ben’s career. You know that.

Tomlin won the power play and with Ben’s help pushed Haley out. Since then Tomlin has had total control over the hiring of his coordinators, the offense we see post Haley is the one Tomlin wants to run, and it is conservative at its core, just like he likes it

Smith hasn’t even come close to replicating the offensive success that he had in Tennessee-because Tomlin

Ben didn’t like Haley but deep down I bet he would have killed to have Haley back once he got a taste of Tomlins lackey Canaduh

 

[Steelr4evr]

For a portion of the killer B's run with Haley, tge defense was atrocious... and because of the franchise and fans ancient thought patterns, that was blamed on the Offense being too quick strike..,

As it went on, the offense was shifted to something just there to eat clock to save on the D... its an archaic way of playing football that should have died in tge early 2000's...

The Steeler Way of defense died when they took the F out of **** ing people up in football. It's as simple as that. It killed the brand completely.

Now they're mostly passive,play it safe and for the most part tackle like dog ****.

 

[maowv]

Nice post.

1. Don't the Steelers always struggle when they try to switch to zone blocking? That may not be the case, but it feels like it.
2/3. Other teams do a very good job picking apart the Steelers defense to avoid the pass rush. With maybe the most intelligent QB ever, you'd think the Steelers could add this wrinkle to their offense.

1. I agree. Whether it is Howard or a draft pick. This year's draft is turning out to be a dud and they'll say "wait until next year star-studded class" and the same thing will happen. Find a QB with college production and NFL tools and develop him.

2. WR depth is suppose to be excellent in the draft. Make it happen there.

3. This should've been done years ago.

1. Have the Steelers ever had a season without serious offensive line issues since Pat Meyer took over coaching that group? He has to go. It just hasn't worked no matter how many high draft picks they push into that room. Whatever he is teaching is not working. Accept it. Move on.

2. Agree but who on this coaching staff is going to develop a young QB? What evidence do we have that this coaching staff has had any positive impact on any QB since Ben retired?

3. Yes and Yes. Tired of the never ending talk of needing a WR2.

4. ABSOLUTELY. This organization is so arrogant that it cannot accept their way isn't gospel. It hasn't worked for a decade and yet they do the same thing year after year, thinking they are only an ancient QB away from Super Bowl domination. I think they would rather drink 3 month old milk in the fridge instead of tossing it out any buying fresh.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

Cmon dude, give it up.

Haley was forced on Tomlin and hand picked by Rooney and had a mandate to from Rooney to run his offense the way Haley wanted to prolong Ben’s career. You know that.

Tomlin won the power play and with Ben’s help pushed Haley out. Since then Tomlin has had total control over the hiring of his coordinators, the offense we see post Haley is the one Tomlin wants to run, and it is conservative at its core, just like he likes it

Smith hasn’t even come close to replicating the offensive success that he had in Tennessee-because Tomlin

Ben didn’t like Haley but deep down I bet he would have killed to have Haley back once he got a taste of Tomlins lackey Canaduh

Not having Henry is more likely the reason he hasn’t replicated that success. Come on man.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

For a portion of the killer B's run with Haley, tge defense was atrocious... and because of the franchise and fans ancient thought patterns, that was blamed on the Offense being too quick strike..,

As it went on, the offense was shifted to something just there to eat clock to save on the D... its an archaic way of playing football that should have died in tge early 2000's...

Haley's offense was great outside the 20 it was pretty bad inside the redzone. That is why everyone wanted him gone, that and the barfights with the wife.

 

[Avoid_Lloyd]

Not having Henry is more likely the reason he hasn’t replicated that success. Come on man.

Your point was they threw it around under other coordinators and you specifically mentioned Haley.

My point is that’s before Tomlin consolidated his power and took total control of the hiring and firing of the coaching staff.

Haley wasn’t Tomlins choice, he was Rooneys. Tomlin fired Arians for running too risky of an offense. Tomlin and Ben pushed Haley out.

You see how Tomlin really wants an offense to be under Canada and Smith-and it’s terrible

 

[steel dino]

I truly believe Arthur Smiths offensive philosophy is a legitimate one in this league.
However, any team cannot have an offensive philosophy when their ranked next to last in overall time of possession.
It’s impossible to implement a plan and be successful at it without having a football in your hands on offense for extended periods of time.
In my philosophy of the KISS method, the Steelers just do not move the chains.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

I truly believe Arthur Smiths offensive philosophy is a legitimate one in this league.
However, any team cannot have an offensive philosophy when their ranked next to last in overall time of possession.
It’s impossible to implement a plan and be successful at it without having a football in your hands on offense for extended periods of time.
In my philosophy of the KISS method, the Steelers just do not move the chains.

The Steelers were bottom 25% of the league in first down run percentage last I checked.

Definitely not a run first team which would seem to be the AS offense. Can only assume Tomlin and Rodgers have modified the concept to a quick passing attack to minimize risk of QB hits and TOs.

The TOP can be traced back to the lack of a run game for sure, having an OL that sucks at run blocking (within the scheme) and RBs that lack vision/anticipation to hit the infrequent holes is problematic.

Common denominator seems to be Pat Meyers to an OL that is struggling as an entire unit. Do all OL just regress once becoming a Steeler? That’s odd…maybe it’s something else???

This team needs Mike out of the offense, a new OL coach and possibly a run game coordinator as well.

The TOP can also be a bit of the defense’s fault as they really struggle to get themselves off the field on 3rd and long AND 4th and short. They could help themselves every once in awhile with a 3 and out.

This team has many problems that contribute to that abysmal TOP

 

[Stainless]

Three yards and a cloud of WTF?

 

[Drink IRON City]

Cmon dude, give it up.

Haley was forced on Tomlin and hand picked by Rooney and had a mandate to from Rooney to run his offense the way Haley wanted to prolong Ben’s career. You know that.

Tomlin won the power play and with Ben’s help pushed Haley out. Since then Tomlin has had total control over the hiring of his coordinators, the offense we see post Haley is the one Tomlin wants to run, and it is conservative at its core, just like he likes it

Smith hasn’t even come close to replicating the offensive success that he had in Tennessee-because Tomlin

Ben didn’t like Haley but deep down I bet he would have killed to have Haley back once he got a taste of Tomlins lackey Canaduh

^^^^truth^^^^



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[Drink IRON City]

Three yards and a cloud of WTF?

More like 2 yards and no cloud as most know the WTF.




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[Drink IRON City]

The Steelers were bottom 25% of the league in first down run percentage last I checked.

Definitely not a run first team which would seem to be the AS offense. Can only assume Tomlin and Rodgers have modified the concept to a quick passing attack to minimize risk of QB hits and TOs.

The TOP can be traced back to the lack of a run game for sure, having an OL that sucks at run blocking (within the scheme) and RBs that lack vision/anticipation to hit the infrequent holes is problematic.

Common denominator seems to be Pat Meyers to an OL that is struggling as an entire unit. Do all OL just regress once becoming a Steeler? That’s odd…maybe it’s something else???

This team needs Mike out of the offense, a new OL coach and possibly a run game coordinator as well.

The TOP can also be a bit of the defense’s fault as they really struggle to get themselves off the field on 3rd and long AND 4th and short. They could help themselves every once in awhile with a 3 and out.

This team has many problems that contribute to that abysmal TOP

Time of Possesion = TOP
TOP coaching = Tomlin



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[SteelerInLebanon]

Your point was they threw it around under other coordinators and you specifically mentioned Haley.

My point is that’s before Tomlin consolidated his power and took total control of the hiring and firing of the coaching staff.

Haley wasn’t Tomlins choice, he was Rooneys. Tomlin fired Arians for running too risky of an offense. Tomlin and Ben pushed Haley out.

You see how Tomlin really wants an offense to be under Canada and Smith-and it’s terrible

I disagree, I think it has been more a product of who is under center and how much they trust them and the line. I think personally Tomlin would love to have the Prime Ben offense back but that requires a prime Ben or Aaron. Rodgers can still throw, most games and that had been opening things up some. As I have said before I totally understand why Tomlin has kept things tight the last 6 or 7 years, it is a formula to winning games. We need to open it up now or lose some games to be better set up next year.

 

[madinsomniac]

I disagree, I think it has been more a product of who is under center and how much they trust them and the line. I think personally Tomlin would love to have the Prime Ben offense back but that requires a prime Ben or Aaron. Rodgers can still throw, most games and that had been opening things up some. As I have said before I totally understand why Tomlin has kept things tight the last 6 or 7 years, it is a formula to winning games. We need to open it up now or lose some games to be better set up next year.

Comments from Haley and Fitchner make it clear he wants to use the O to eat clock... he moved away from the Haley offense cause he felt it harmed the D


**** the D... it ain't 1990. Teams win by scoring and scoring and scoring... coaches are more aggressive than ever... 4th and 3 isn't a punting down for a bunch of coaches... and there is no financial incentive for the league to ever help the D... even when D's adapt to the new offenses, the league just kneecaps them again

Building D first is kind of idiotic... Build a great O abd then add defensive playmakers that can slow down other teams... quit playing like it is 1995...

 

[Coryea]

Our offensive system is conservative, conservative, conservative, pray the defense gets 5 turnovers, conservative, pray we get Boz within 55 yards.

 

[madinsomniac]

Our offensive system is conservative, conservative, conservative, pray the defense gets 5 turnovers, conservative, pray we get Boz within 55 yards.

Its spontaneously aggressive... but so erratic that you cant fathom why... i mean it cuts loose when down big or late in the fourth... but otherwise it will be likerun run pass, randomly go for it at a weird time but then shun going for it at a more logical time

 

[SteelerFan448]

Its spontaneously aggressive... but so erratic that you cant fathom why... i mean it cuts loose when down big or late in the fourth... but otherwise it will be likerun run pass, randomly go for it at a weird time but then shun going for it at a more logical time

This makes it difficult to try to be explosive during the normal routine of the game and also disengages your receiving options, which is why we've had our most recent run-in of WR meltdowns in recent years. They don't get the ball enough.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Time of Possesion = TOP
TOP coaching = Tomlin



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For a HC infatuated with making games as short as possible controlling the TOP really neuters him

 

[Ron Burgundy]

I'm just failing to really grasp their grand plan...

As it went on, the offense was shifted to something just there to eat clock to save on the D... its an archaic way of playing football that should have died in the early 2000's...

Plan A: Run, run, pass, punt.
Plan B: Run, pass, run, punt.

As mentioned elsewhere, Shades wants every game to be a 13-10 rock fight.

 

[Litos]

Plan A: Run, run, pass, punt.
Plan B: Run, pass, run, punt.

As mentioned elsewhere, Shades wants every game to be a 13-10 rock fight.

yet he stopped running when it was working and gave as minimal touches as possible to Jaylen Warren. Started passing despite the OTs getting mauled by the rushers, Aarod got happy feet and that was that.

 

[Avoid_Lloyd]

I disagree, I think it has been more a product of who is under center and how much they trust them and the line. I think personally Tomlin would love to have the Prime Ben offense back but that requires a prime Ben or Aaron. Rodgers can still throw, most games and that had been opening things up some. As I have said before I totally understand why Tomlin has kept things tight the last 6 or 7 years, it is a formula to winning games. We need to open it up now or lose some games to be better set up next year.

You be you. Keep making excuses for him…

The overwhelming majority of us here don’t understand, we expect way more

It’s a formula for mediocrity in the regular season and futility in the playoffs, the last 9 years are exactly as the record is, no playoff wins.

Nowhere else in professional sports but under Art Rooney II could a head coach keep his job for 8 years without winning a playoff game, or even avoid getting blown out in them

Not only does Rooney keep him, he makes him the 3rd highest paid coach in the NFL-who’s hasn’t won a playoff game in 8 years-it’s a pathetic joke

The overwhelming majority of us find it completely unacceptable

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

You be you. Keep making excuses for him…

The overwhelming majority of us here don’t understand, we expect way more

It’s a formula for mediocrity in the regular season and futility in the playoffs, the last 9 years are exactly as the record is, no playoff wins.

Nowhere else in professional sports but under Art Rooney II could a head coach keep his job for 8 years without winning a playoff game, or even avoid getting blown out in them

The overwhelming majority of us find it completely unacceptable

understanding and agreeing are not the same thing.

 

[Avoid_Lloyd]

understanding and agreeing are not the same thing.

If he doesn’t win a playoff game this season do you advocate firing him or keeping him when this season ends?

 

[Drink IRON City]

If he doesn’t win a playoff game this season do you advocate firing him or keeping him when this season ends?

I wouldn’t t wait till the season was over.

If the Bungles blow us away and our team looks lost…….. I’d fire him on his way to the locker room.

Arthor could be temporary coach / OC & free.

Somebody from with-in or try DL in a consulting way combined with internal move up.

Fire Austin and make him leave through a public exit, no-where near the team. tomlin too.



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[Avoid_Lloyd]

I wouldn’t t wait till the season was over.

If the Bungles blow us away and our team looks lost…….. I’d fire him on his way to the locker room.

Arthor could be temporary coach / OC & free.

Somebody from with-in or try DL in a consulting way combined with internal move up.

Fire Austin and make him leave through a public exit, no-where near the team. tomlin too.



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Totally agree Drink, although we know they could lose every game by 30 points the rest of the season and Rooney would never fire him mid season, I doubt he gets fired ever, Tomlin will be the one to walk away….someday….

SteelerinLebanon is a good dude who I’d love to have a beer or 3 with someday but I doubt he even answers my question on if he’d advocate firing Tomlin if there isn’t a playoff win after this season, he’s hard core ride or die for Tomlin, it’s his right to feel that way