What if the Steelers miss out on Devin Bush and Devin White…

[bermudasteel]

Could a Casey Hampton type nose tackle that eats up blocks make all of our inside linebackers better including blitzing the QB? Dexter Lawrence is that man. At 6'5' and close to 350lbs. Clemson's linebackers were free to run all over the field. No center could handle him alone and he pushed running plays further to the outside toward the d ends. Remember how important Hampton was to our defense? McCullers isn't the man that's for sure.I think Lawrence could be. And I think he may be there when we draft at 20. CB and ILB in second and wide receiver in third would make a nice start but also very,very thin at TE. McDonald gets injured too often to expect him not to miss some time.

I'm not fully disagreeing with you BUT...

Coach Butler has done a fine job over the past two years getting pressure and sacks on opposing QB's. The risk at taking Lawrence is 'we still cannot cover TE's'... In today's NFL, stopping the running game is secondary unless you have a team like Baltimore playing---and then Lawrence is going to be gassed by the second half because of the sweeping plays that the Rats run.

Even though I'd prefer Baker - I really like all of the attributes that Bush brings on the field and his Troy P-like play is not a common find. Sooooooo...

By ANY MEANS NECESSARY - we have to take Bush in the first round.

 

[bermudasteel]

This draft must to the following to win another championship.


I think we can find a decent receiver in the draft. History shows the Steelers can do this in rounds two or three. Or in round one. While losing AB for peanuts really sucked we can find a piece for the puzzle at receiver in this draft. Ben makes then great, and next year we don't have AB's cap number.


I tend to think we can find better inside linebackers in the draft. Amdititly the bar is low. Barron will likely give us a good nickel and dime guy. A draft pick in round 1-4 could yield a starter here after all his competition is Williams.


What I'm most cerian of is this defensive backfield in black and gold sucks. Only one man can cover well and as a group they a very low amount of turnovers. To obtain a good DB, you either need to pay big bucks, beyond what Nelson fetched or pick one early in the draft. The way corners go, I'd guess about 7 to 8 of them will be off the board before the Steelers pick in round two. This means if we want a guy that makes an impact in 2019, he should be selected in round one because by round two, you're looking at a sub package type of player more often than not.


Give me Greedy Williams. The man offers a limited cushion, doesn't have a lot of passing yard against and has the height and speed to be a lockdown type. Eleitle level ball skills with the anticipation to jump the route. I don't care so much if he might blow a tackle or two, at the end of the day even a blown tackle + his yards surrendered in coverage should big-time improvement from what we have been used to.


I could live with Baker. Solid guy, maybe not exceptional, but we can depend on him,


Pass on Murphy. I don't trust his speed and think his limited amount of games played and competition in the Pac 12 are red flags.

Two points from your odd post...

1. Have you watched at least ONE FULL GAME of Greedy Williams??? I don't recall you admitting that you have; if you have, then let's discuss WHICH GAME that sells you on his overall game play.

2. Do you realize that Baker DID NOT give up any TD's over the past two seasons??? "...maybe not exceptional..." BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

 

[Coach]

Two points from your odd post...

1. Have you watched at least ONE FULL GAME of Greedy Williams??? I don't recall you admitting that you have; if you have, then let's discuss WHICH GAME that sells you on his overall game play.

2. Do you realize that Baker DID NOT give up any TD's over the past two seasons??? "...maybe not exceptional..." BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

A few points.


1 ) I Thought Peters would be very good


2 ) I wanted X Howard over Burns


3 ) If you wanted to go further back, I liked Kyle Fuller.


The common theme Bermuda? All three are pro bowl CB's.


A bit more, didn't I break down Burns game and not like the pick? Who was ultimately correct?


That would be

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And you better believe Reid was better than Edwards as a rookie. Not that I hated Edwards he was in my mocks for rounds three and I said I'd be okay with him in round two.


Now, what questions might you have on my track record on picking DB's?


All the above is true, and heck yes I still think Davis needs to be replaced.


Your reaction to my track record is what? I want to read your reply!


To answer your questions, I have seen LSU play full games, but did not focus on Williams until I learned he was coming out for the draft. Since then he's been on my radar and I'm sold on the young man's ability. Would I be more informed if I saw him play 5 games and focused on him, sure, but I do not have the time for that and I'll stand on my past predictions.


As for Baker, I think he was a top college player who will be a solid pro, but I don't think he's tall, or fast enough to be a shutdown type. Baker started four years. As I said, I think he'll be solid in the NFL, and would not oppose the pick, so stop your daws from barking.

 

[slashsteel]

I have seen LSU play full games, but did not focus on Williams until I learned he was coming out for the draft. Since then he's been on my radar and I'm sold on the young man's ability. Would I be more informed if I saw him play 5 games and focused on him, sure, but I do not have the time for that and I'll stand on my past predictions.

Translation he has never seen him play but the draft sites have him rated high and he loves his 40.


I would have picked this guy I would have picked that guy. Get's 10% of his unresearched guesses right and thinks he is somebody.

I don't even believe you watch games coach, nothing you ever talk about comes across like you watch actual footage.

You really can't make this **** up.

 

[slashsteel]

Fant is most likely going to be the BPA at #20; Devin Bush is overrated and Devin White will be long gone.

Why do you think he is overrated?

 

[slashsteel]

Two points from your odd post...

1. Have you watched at least ONE FULL GAME of Greedy Williams??? I don't recall you admitting that you have; if you have, then let's discuss WHICH GAME that sells you on his overall game play.

2. Do you realize that Baker DID NOT give up any TD's over the past two seasons??? "...maybe not exceptional..." BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Speed but he doesn't trust it, will not be a press corner is lanky and the opposite of physical. Often waiting for the play to come to him in run support.

What I mean by doesn't trust it. is he often backpedals quickly, leaving a lot of cushion underneath.In some ways he looks more like a free safety for me.

But he will make his living being a zone corner. A good QB could eat his lunch underneath all day.

People talk about overrated players he might be the most overrated player in the draft..

And for all his speed ( a few games I was reviewing) I saw he had to grab a few times to prevent a play deep.

Doesn't seem real instinctive.

 

[Omar10213245]

Why do you think he is overrated?

i just dont see him being that much of a difference-maker at the next level, not enough to warrant a 1st rd pick on him. i think he'll struggle to shed blocks from NFL linemen, and his 5'11 height will be taken advantage of when he's called upon to cover tight ends with height and big wingspans. i'm not saying he's utter crap, i think he'll be alright, he certainly hits pretty hard, he hits bigger than his size. but to use a 1st rounder on him? i'm just not feeling it, personally. now if we could get devin white i'd be ecstatic. but he'll probably be gone in the top 7 picks, so i say we get the best thing that would help open up our offense; noah fant. dude would be money with ben throwing him the ball.

 

[slashsteel]

i just dont see him being that much of a difference-maker at the next level, not enough to warrant a 1st rd pick on him. i think he'll struggle to shed blocks from NFL linemen, and his 5'11 height will be taken advantage of when he's called upon to cover tight ends with height and big wingspans. i'm not saying he's utter crap, i think he'll be alright, he certainly hits pretty hard, he hits bigger than his size. but to use a 1st rounder on him? i'm just not feeling it, personally. now if we could get devin white i'd be ecstatic. but he'll probably be gone in the top 7 picks, so i say we get the best thing that would help open up our offense; noah fant. dude would be money with ben throwing him the ball.

I am conflicted on him because Barron is a similar player IMO. When I look at tape I usually zero in on the bigger school matchups. From two I watched I did see his speed translate to the field. I also saw the ability to get caught on blocks.But it didn't seem excessive. I keep his height in mind but I think his instincts and athletisism will help him make up for any short comings in that area. I think he will be a solid pro but not necessarily a star. I do feel he is a upgrade from who we have now. Sometimes a upgrade here and there can push you far. Especially if it is in one of your team's weakest areas.

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[Omar10213245]

I am conflicted on him because Barron is a similar player IMO. When I look at tape I usually zero in on the bigger school matchups. From two I watched I did see his speed translate to the field. I also saw the ability to get caught on blocks.But it didn't seem excessive. I keep his height in mind but I think his instincts and athletisism will help him make up for any short comings in that area. I think he will be a solid pro but not necessarily a star. I do feel he is a upgrade from who we have now. Sometimes a upgrade here and there can push you far. Especially if it is in one of your team's weakest areas.

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fair enough. hey, if we pick him, i'll be rooting my *** of for him for sure

 

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[Litos]

I hope they just don't reach if any of the Devins are gone, a lot of talent on CB, S and DL positions will be available at 1.20, rather get talent than force a pick and that's why they brought Barron, to not be on a position where they pick for need instead of BPA.

After all the roster revamp with important FA signings (WR,CB,ILB) the team is pretty much in a position where whoever they pick he doesn't have to be forced to start from day one. I think S, TE, RB have jumped up a notch on the FO "want" on this draft. Ideally Bush is there and we fill that spot but if not we could go CB, S, TE, DL, OLB and it would still be great for the team as depth and thinking about the future.

Imagine having Baker or Murphy as the backup CB, when have we had such depth at that position? Or Brian Burns/Clelin Ferrell taking minutes from incumbent Bud Dupree on his final year on the team?

Same goes for DL (Dexter Lawrence or C Wilkins? that would be a steal) or TE, even S with a guy like CGJ who can fill multiple roles in nickel and dime.

 

[Vader]

i just dont see him being that much of a difference-maker at the next level, not enough to warrant a 1st rd pick on him. i think he'll struggle to shed blocks from NFL linemen, and his 5'11 height will be taken advantage of when he's called upon to cover tight ends with height and big wingspans. i'm not saying he's utter crap, i think he'll be alright, he certainly hits pretty hard, he hits bigger than his size. but to use a 1st rounder on him? i'm just not feeling it, personally. now if we could get devin white i'd be ecstatic. but he'll probably be gone in the top 7 picks, so i say we get the best thing that would help open up our offense; noah fant. dude would be money with ben throwing him the ball.

Bush may end up being a 12 year all-pro but I don't see it. He's not tall or long. He struggles to get off blocks in college let alone the NFL. Also why do Bama players get the "Yea but he had a great defense in front of him" tag but Michigan players don't? Go watch the OSU game where he struggles to diagnosis plays and get hammered by OL when he blitzes. He usually gets knocked 3 feet back. If you just look at that game you'd never expect him to be a 1st round pick. He was in no man's land 30% of the time. He struggled to cover people out of the back field. He struggles to figure out where the play is going. Plus he gets absolutely destroyed when he goes inside. Most of the time he is just standing around the middle of the defense looking to see where the play is going.

This is why he has 1 int. in 3 years and 0 forced fumbles. He also has 0 fumbles recovered.

 

[ark steel]

A few points.


1 ) I Thought Peters would be very good


2 ) I wanted X Howard over Burns


3 ) If you wanted to go further back, I liked Kyle Fuller.


The common theme Bermuda? All three are pro bowl CB's.


A bit more, didn't I break down Burns game and not like the pick? Who was ultimately correct?


That would be

<<<<<<

And you better believe Reid was better than Edwards as a rookie. Not that I hated Edwards he was in my mocks for rounds three and I said I'd be okay with him in round two.


Now, what questions might you have on my track record on picking DB's?


All the above is true, and heck yes I still think Davis needs to be replaced.


Your reaction to my track record is what? I want to read your reply!


To answer your questions, I have seen LSU play full games, but did not focus on Williams until I learned he was coming out for the draft. Since then he's been on my radar and I'm sold on the young man's ability. Would I be more informed if I saw him play 5 games and focused on him, sure, but I do not have the time for that and I'll stand on my past predictions.


As for Baker, I think he was a top college player who will be a solid pro, but I don't think he's tall, or fast enough to be a shutdown type. Baker started four years. As I said, I think he'll be solid in the NFL, and would not oppose the pick, so stop your daws from barking.

You praised the Burns pick.

 

[ark steel]

I try to trade back to the late first/early 2nd and take Wilson.

 

[slashsteel]

Bush may end up being a 12 year all-pro but I don't see it. He's not tall or long. He struggles to get off blocks in college let alone the NFL. Also why do Bama players get the "Yea but he had a great defense in front of him" tag but Michigan players don't? Go watch the OSU game where he struggles to diagnosis plays and get hammered by OL when he blitzes. He usually gets knocked 3 feet back. If you just look at that game you'd never expect him to be a 1st round pick. He was in no man's land 30% of the time. He struggled to cover people out of the back field. He struggles to figure out where the play is going. Plus he gets absolutely destroyed when he goes inside. Most of the time he is just standing around the middle of the defense looking to see where the play is going.

This is why he has 1 int. in 3 years and 0 forced fumbles. He also has 0 fumbles recovered.

I think Myles Jack had similar stats and only 1 FF in his college career. I am sure him playing off the ball has something to do with that. But yeah you would like to see more INTs,

 

[slashsteel]

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Interesting note on Devin Bush. His father, Devin Sr, spent eight years in the league as a safety. Played for the Browns in 01-02, where Keith Butler worked as the LBs coach. #Steelers

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Notable because Steelers like football bloodlines and/or those past connections. Kevin Colbert mentioned scouting Terrell Edmunds' dad in the 80s when he was a college scout for Miami, the team who ultimately drafted him.

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[SteelerFan448]

The Steelers will be fine if they can't get either player. White probably isn't making it out of the top 10 and Bush isn't a guy I would trade up for since he seems pegged to go in the 15-20 range. I actually wouldn't mind a top TE, pass rusher, cornerback, or defensive lineman in the first over an inside linebacker.

 

[Vader]

I think Myles Jack had similar stats and only 1 FF in his college career. I am sure him playing off the ball has something to do with that. But yeah you would like to see more INTs,

The difference is that Jack is 2" taller and a little bigger. He was also taken in the 2nd round. I believe he had 4 ints. in college. To me Bush is just too much of a gamble in the first round. I'm sure some team will fall in love with his combine. But watching him on film against good teams really is an eye opener. You can tell that OSU paid no attention to him at all. He was easily blocked and 2 or 3 of their big plays were when he was covering or trying to cover their WR or RB. Like I said, he may end up a great player. Maybe the NFL coaches can do something with him. But right now his film doesn't look great.

Just BTW I watch a ton of college. I love college football even more than the NFL. I see almost every game. Sometimes I'll watch 10+ games a week and sometimes i'll see the same game twice. I especially watch SEC, Big 10, and ACC games. If Tomlin would use a NG I'd get the one from Clemson. Since Tomlin has his ****** up 2 DL hybrid there is no reason to draft him.

 

[MTC]

The Steelers will be fine if they can't get either player. White probably isn't making it out of the top 10 and Bush isn't a guy I would trade up for since he seems pegged to go in the 15-20 range. I actually wouldn't mind a top TE, pass rusher, cornerback, or defensive lineman in the first over an inside linebacker.

I'm predicting corner.
Seems D'andre Baker is garnering some B&G insterest.
I'll stand by that pick

 

[mightyguru]

I am totally skeptical of Bush. He has speed and quicks but he isn't recognized for his coverage skills.

 

[slashsteel]

I'm predicting corner.
Seems D'andre Baker is garnering some B&G insterest.
I'll stand by that pick

Still like me some Murphy, my favorite corner. Not that I dislike Baker. My concern with him is in zone. In press he should be solid...

 

[slashsteel]

I am totally skeptical of Bush. He has speed and quicks but he isn't recognized for his coverage skills.

Been back n forth on him. I can see why the Steelers would like him, and I could see why the Steelers would draft someone over him in 1.

I see the coverage concerns, but they did have him roaming and switching coverages from one player to the next.

I will be ok if they draft him or go in another direction.

Will say I was much higher on Watt last year, but two different positions.

I still think his athleticism at the position would help upgrade the area.

And not a lot of ILBers in this draft make me feel that way...

 

[Vader]

Been back n forth on him. I can see why the Steelers would like him, and I could see why the Steelers would draft someone over him in 1.

I see the coverage concerns, but they did have him roaming and switching coverages from one player to the next.

I will be ok if they draft him or go in another direction.

Will say I was much higher on Watt last year, but two different positions.

I still think his athleticism at the position would help upgrade the area.

And not a lot of ILBers in this draft make me feel that way...

This is why I like to take the BPA. The draft isn't deep at ILB so why draft an ILB? I'd rather take the BPA in the first 3 rounds then you can take shots at ILB later and hope to find one. I argued with TMC about this point. He was totally right. After I saw the Steelers draft Troy Edwards because they "needed" a WR it started to make sense to me. The first 3 rounds (give or take a few spots) is where you need to find top talent. There will be some players at similar levels on the draft board. If you have 2 players ranked at the same level then you take the one where you need him. But if you have a 2nd round grade on Bush don't pick him in the first round if you have a 1st round pick on someone who is available.

 

[SteelerFan448]

Still like me some Murphy, my favorite corner. Not that I dislike Baker. My concern with him is in zone. In press he should be solid...

Steelers ran the 3rd most man coverage last year and 5th lowest zone percentage.