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[madinsomniac]

When Ben sees all the talented size we have in that receiver and te corps now, he will want to come out of retirement lol

 

[steelreeling]

First of all, you didn't use the word "prospect," you said that Kendrick Green IS one of the best outside-zone running centers EVER. Tell me, how can he be one of the best ANYTHING when he wasn't activated for a single game last season?

ya gonna split hairs every time? ya know what i meant.

Secondly, Green wasn't even truly a center prospect to begin with. The guy only started four career games there, three of which were due to an injury from the starting center. The Steelers forced him into a position he hadn't played

like at all - the inside zone and seal-block stuff they asked him to do. Green sucked at that. He need(s) more anchor, more strength to stand up to big boys to do that.
Green's talent lies downfield exclusively. The Steelers ran those calls... perhaps not at all. Ergo, Green has looked like ***.

Thirdly, how about Jason Kelce?

Kelce was good. He was super quick and i'd say he had more experience than Green. I'd say Green though was even better and more consistent at locating his man downfield and engaging squarely in the block. jmo.
i can't think of anyone else besides Kelce who comes close.

 

[steelreeling]

Whether it be for staying back and helping the OLine or catching that 5-15 yard catch. Obviously in the red zone with his height ,soft hands and deceiving speed ......well let’s just say it sure as heck doesn’t hurt. He will also make an excellent decoy. The opposition defense will certainly have to account for him. He will definitely open up things for his teammates.

This is the Canada philosophy i rail against.

i do not believe this is possible - the Noah's Ark approach. i contend that one cannot lineup an offense with a band of misfit players having orthogonal skillsets and just run any possible play that the defense will have to honor or guard against.

i believe that is impossible. i am also a GenXer, so i also believe that is penultimately retarded. Yeah i said that word.

An offense must call plays that align with most of the skills from the players on the field. Otherwise, the ball gets shoved up the carrier's ***.

For example if Canada calls a pin-pull screen to the X WR, then Moore will certain lead to the demise of the play. Why? cause Moore suck c*ck at getting to edge. Now if Jones is in at LT then the pin-pull has a great chance of being successful. Why? cause Jones lives out there. Whereas the Steelers playcalling is the outside passing game -- they drafted a mauling LT and their WRs lack the speed to threaten the defense vertically.
This could be a disaster. it's all up to Canada.

 

[topseed]

ya gonna split hairs every time? ya know what i meant.

Splitting hairs? Um, you not only wrote that Green was perhaps the best ever, but you also put it in bold and italics.

like at all - the inside zone and seal-block stuff they asked him to do. Green sucked at that. He need(s) more anchor, more strength to stand up to big boys to do that.
Green's talent lies downfield exclusively. The Steelers ran those calls... perhaps not at all. Ergo, Green has looked like ***.

If Green's talent lies downfield exclusively, then he's not certainly good enough to play on an offensive line in the NFL. Ergo, that's why he was inactive for the entire 2022 season. It doesn't amount to two shlts if he can block downfield but gets dominated at the point of attack. Not a difficult concept.

Kelce was good. He was super quick and i'd say he had more experience than Green. I'd say Green though was even better and more consistent at locating his man downfield and engaging squarely in the block. jmo.
i can't think of anyone else besides Kelce who comes close.

Yeah, buddy. Kendrick Green is awesome. No one else comes close to being drafted in the third round one year, then not being activated for a single game the next.

 

[SteelerFan448]

like at all - the inside zone and seal-block stuff they asked him to do. Green sucked at that. He need(s) more anchor, more strength to stand up to big boys to do that.
Green's talent lies downfield exclusively. The Steelers ran those calls... perhaps not at all. Ergo, Green has looked like ***.

Green did do pretty well when he got to the second level, but no excuses can defend his JV level performances play in and out. He didn't look like an NFL player, getting physically manhandled.

 

[LastRide]

This guys a beast. If he can stay healthy, he will be a force. Players are going to get hurt trying to t.ackle or bring hin down. Pick up those extra yards.

 

[steelreeling]

Green did do pretty well when he got to the second level, but no excuses can defend his JV level performances play in and out. He didn't look like an NFL player, getting physically manhandled.

i hear you.
i meant that he was best prospect to come out. And i recognize he is not anywhere close to the best blocker in the outside-zone scheme in the league.

i would submit to you the following "excuse": if you call plays exclusively that ask Green to stand up against 2 and 2i DTs and push them or trap them, i swear you're asking BulletTrain Green to sit on the bench and watch PeeWee Green get manhandled.
If you demand garbage then you will receive... garbage.

The coaches could have drafted a nasty RT to help him into pass pro at right guard. Otherwise they couldve sent a FB/TE in to chip & help him out. What did they do? They put him at center and ran slide & wham schemes. Yeah he looked like dogshit but... c'mon

 

[SteelerFan448]

i hear you.
i meant that he was best prospect to come out. And i recognize he is not anywhere close to the best blocker in the outside-zone scheme in the league.

i would submit to you the following "excuse": if you call plays exclusively that ask Green to stand up against 2 and 2i DTs and push them or trap them, i swear you're asking BulletTrain Green to sit on the bench and watch PeeWee Green get manhandled.
If you demand garbage then you will receive... garbage.

The coaches could have drafted a nasty RT to help him into pass pro at right guard. Otherwise they couldve sent a FB/TE in to chip & help him out. What did they do? They put him at center and ran slide & wham schemes. Yeah he looked like dogshit but... c'mon

I just don't think a starting lineman, especially at center, should be that limited. It was a poor draft evaluation, a reach based on his current skill level, and a failure by the coaching staff handing him the starting job given the physical limitations and then not benching him. At least with Jones, you expect a rookie tackle to struggle, but his size and athleticism should allow him to at least compete in the NFL from a starting position.

Back to Green, he has a legit chance to win the backup center job if he improved. It's not like there's much competition behind Cole.

 

[slashsteel]

I just don't think a starting lineman, especially at center, should be that limited. It was a poor draft evaluation, a reach based on his current skill level, and a failure by the coaching staff handing him the starting job given the physical limitations and then not benching him. At least with Jones, you expect a rookie tackle to struggle, but his size and athleticism should allow him to at least compete in the NFL from a starting position.

Back to Green, he has a legit chance to win the backup center job if he improved. It's not like there's much competition behind Cole.

Just don't have a lot of faith in Green being able to handle center if he was forced to start. Guy spends more time on his back than a 10 dollar hooker. Let's be clear at this point that is his only chance to stick at C. You can throw T and G capable out the window. When you are one dimensional and not really good enough at that main duty, I would think his time is drawing to an end. Especially with new sheriffs in town. I see him as a final cut. Even without overwhelming competition roadblocking him.

 

[steelreeling]

I just don't think a starting lineman, especially at center, should be that limited. It was a poor draft evaluation, a reach based on his current skill level, and a failure by the coaching staff handing him the starting job given the physical limitations and then not benching him. At least with Jones, you expect a rookie tackle to struggle, but his size and athleticism should allow him to at least compete in the NFL from a starting position.

Back to Green, he has a legit chance to win the backup center job if he improved. It's not like there's much competition behind Cole.

all very solid points. can't argue with any of this.

i would say that Green got thrown to the f*ckin wolves first day out. In fact, i think he'd better a slightly better guard because at least then he's not step-reaching to push an ugly. At LG he could at least focus on driving and using his legs.

i'd be interested to find out whether Green could fill-in his lower body and actually become stout under a new team's coaching development. I think he's gonna get cut in summer.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Washington is such a good run blocker and will free up Freiermuth to be more involved in the passing game. Great value in the third round and for the first time in a long time it appears the Steelers will have a philosophy on offense.

He’s also an excellent pass catcher with ability to extend and catch with hands away from his body. His receiving ability was simply overshadowed by his dominant blocking, freakish athleticism and a generational pass catching TE opposite him.

Having seen every snap he’s played I can honestly say he has better hands than the majority of Steeler receivers of the last decade or two.

Hopefully between him and Muth we can always have at least 1 healthy TE now

 

[steel dino]

You all are aware that Washington lined up many times in college next to our first round talented tackle. So they obviously have a good working relationship and know each others tenacities very well...

IMHO---line Washington next to Broderick, have a fullback lead and run Najee to that side all day long!

Power running game and play action passing should be our identity again...we now have the personnel to get back to Steeler football, which by the way is winning football, plus the Yinzers love iT!

 

[TDX27]

You all are aware that Washington lined up many times in college next to our first round talented tackle. So they obviously have a good working relationship and know each others tenacities very well...

IMHO---line Washington next to Broderick, have a fullback lead and run Najee to that side all day long!

Power running game and play action passing should be our identity again...we now have the personnel to get back to Steeler football, which by the way is winning football, plus the Yinzers love iT!

This will be interesting to see on short yardage situations. Maybe, just maybe, we'll get better at it.

 

[Troglodyte]

You all are aware that Washington lined up many times in college next to our first round talented tackle. So they obviously have a good working relationship and know each others tenacities very well...

IMHO---line Washington next to Broderick, have a fullback lead and run Najee to that side all day long!

Power running game and play action passing should be our identity again...we now have the personnel to get back to Steeler football, which by the way is winning football, plus the Yinzers love iT!

I’d like to see them go 2 TE 2 WR like the Hogs offense of the 80s and keep the defense from putting 9 players in the box and clogging things up.

 

[Drink IRON City]

When Ben sees all the talented size we have in that receiver and te corps now, he will want to come out of retirement lol

I think he sees that OL now and thinks,…… WTF, why not me ???


Salute the nation

 

[topseed]

Just don't have a lot of faith in Green being able to handle center if he was forced to start. Guy spends more time on his back than a 10 dollar hooker. Let's be clear at this point that is his only chance to stick at C. You can throw T and G capable out the window. When you are one dimensional and not really good enough at that main duty, I would think his time is drawing to an end. Especially with new sheriffs in town. I see him as a final cut. Even without overwhelming competition roadblocking him.

Don't forget, Herbig can play center, too. And certainly more capably than Kendrick Green can.