To all the Tomin haters

[antdrewjosh]

After they beat the Broncos some of you proclaimed the best coaching job ever. So when they win it was marvelous coaching. When they lose it was Ben. And Ben was a big part if it. He would be first to the mic to say that. But once just once I'd like to see that piece of **** HC take some responsibility for the debacle in a straightforward manner.

And it wasn't me as a matter of fact as big Tomlin lover as I'm proclaimed to be you will never find a quote from me saying he is the best coach ever or anything like that. He's a good coach and he ***** up just like everybody else. But the subjective quoted as facts annoy the **** out me. That's all..it's out coached ALWAYS. Never OUTPLAYED. When we beat the Ravens in 08 three times it was never Tomlin out coached Harbaugh. NEVER.

 

[SteelerSask2]

And none of them have done anything except Heyward and Timmons. There are no established stars on that side of the ball..they are in transition. We knew that coming in to the season. Like I said it was OK before for the defense to carry this team and the offense to make timely plays. Now it's the offense turn to carry the team.

And do you even read the **** you write. The line backing corp has more first round talent then the entire offensive unit on the field yesterday but they bare no responsibility nor does the man who hand in drafting said incompetence. The guy who takes all the rag tag Oline and second to sixth round receivers and makes them into one of the best offenses in the league. He is to blame.
PS the offense lost the all pro centre and all pro running back and the left tackle. But hey the defense lost Blake to back spasms (which actually gave me hope)

 

[Acereros]

5 first rounders and a second rounder in the front seven but nothing can be expected of them. It's all Ben he is the whole thing. Your arguments are a joke.

And none of them have done anything except Heyward and Timmons. There are no established stars on that side of the ball..they are in transition. We knew that coming in to the season. Like I said it was OK before for the defense to carry this team and the offense to make timely plays. Now it's the offense turn to carry the team.

I finally get it and you´re absolutely right. Ben should is to be blamed, he´s failed miserably to draft capable players on the defensive side with those 5 first rounders and the second rounder. Let´s take away the drafting duties from Ben, cool shades should be more capable at doing so.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Oh now we're talking about drafting I thought we were talking about yesterday's game. My bad. This hood rat and government aid recipient will go to lunch now. LMAO

 

[Acereros]

Oh now we're talking about drafting I thought we were talking about yesterday's game. My bad. This hood rat and government aid recipient will go to lunch now. LMAO

You said the D cannot be trusted and back this up by saying: "And none of them have done anything except Heyward and Timmons." But you still blame Ben for yesterday´s loss. To me you´re blaming the effect and not the cause. Big difference!!!!

 

[SteelerSask2]

Oh now we're talking about drafting I thought we were talking about yesterday's game. My bad. This hood rat and government aid recipient will go to lunch now. LMAO

Maybe just maybe if the defense had played an aggressive game plan instead of sitting back defending the long splash play they would have got a strip sack fumble or a pressure interception. Those plays can change a game. I have no idea what the defensive game plan was. Let the scrub quarterback feel comfortable. Wow

 

[antdrewjosh]

Or maybe if someone had beaten the OL he was facing. You know win your individual match-up in front of you.

 

[antdrewjosh]

You said the D cannot be trusted and back this up by saying: "And none of them have done anything except Heyward and Timmons." But you still blame Ben for yesterday´s loss. To me you´re blaming the effect and not the cause. Big difference!!!!

Yes because the defense gave up 20 points. 20 points. The score was 20-17. Not 41-38 but 20-17. Yes this game is on the offense

 

[6Lombardis]

I think this team is best when both sides of the ball play aggressively. Sunday it was as if both sides played conservatively. I think Ben and the offense feed on the aggressiveness of the defense. I also think subliminally, once the game was in doubt, Ben felt a great pressure magnified by the facts that the defense looked passive and he himself had not established any rhythm on offense. Hence, he's ignoring easy passes and taking the risky longer shots even fixating on 84, perhaps. Yesterday was complementary wrong tactics on both sides of the ball.

I also suspect the coaches felt this Ravens team couldn't matriculate down the field with a new QB, who, by the way, did play well. None of us should forget that all teams can have good and bad games. Ravens good game was yesterday with a QB who had nothing to loose.

 

[Acereros]

Yes because the defense gave up 20 points. 20 points. The score was 20-17. Not 41-38 but 20-17. Yes this game is on the offense

Well, perhaps if the Steelers had gone for the FG in their first drive and most surely scored 3 points and taken the lead, the momentum would´ve stayed with them, instead of swinging to the Ravens. Damn Ben for making the decision of going for it!

 

[bermudasteel]

again? Constantly skwaking and playing race card . its not about race its about being a shity coach with a franchise qbandnot winning a play off game to too long leave his color out if it.he's a poor coach,

You're a week late. No explanation needed.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Well, perhaps if the Steelers had gone for the FG in their first drive and most surely scored 3 points and taken the lead, the momentum would´ve stayed with them, instead of swinging to the Ravens. Damn Ben for making the decision of going for it!

And if my aunts had balls ....

 

[SCSteeler4life]

Well, perhaps if the Steelers had gone for the FG in their first drive and most surely scored 3 points and taken the lead, the momentum would´ve stayed with them, instead of swinging to the Ravens. Damn Ben for making the decision of going for it!

We couldn't get 1 freaking yard. The offense had been unstoppable up to that point the previous few weeks against better "D's" If we took the 3 and still lost you would have been on here bitching about Tomlin being a ***** and not going for it, not agressive enough. For some of you it is damned if he does and damned if he does not. Doesn't really matter he will be here another 10 years if he wants.

 

[bermudasteel]

Perhaps if the gmeplan had been a little different, mixing the run with more passes from the beggining, Ben would´ve found a good rythm early on putting some points and having a lead. This would´ve minimised the risk/need of forcing passes late on, resulting in a positive outcome for the Steelers.

Ben´s play was reactionary to a questionable game plan and the stupid coaching decisions we´re all accostumed during Tomlin´s reign as a Steelers HC.

Good point, but, as we all know - Ben has FULL AUTHORITY to audible out of the plays that are sent in. Yesterday, it was a combination of miscues and mistakes that lost that game. Simply throwing the ball away instead of taking a sack or throwing a pick changes the outcome of the game too...

Let's re-live the first INT.

Baltimore literally shows that they are only rushing FOUR players. The LB's are playing off as well as the DB and safeties - guess what??? Ben decides to throw an errant pass over the middle of the field straight into Darryl Smith's awaiting hands (yes, he jumped up for it, but, the throw would have had to be perfect - it was not).

The second INT.

I believe Jimmy Smith studied his film last week very well. The timing back shoulder throw route was perfectly defended, albeit, there was contact after 5 yards - AB never got to the spot and - guess what??? Ben threw it anyway...

God intervened on the goal line INT.

As soon as we lined up 5 wide - on FIRST DOWN - I knew the outcome was not going to be good.

NO ONE WAS OPEN and Ben makes another bad decision to force the ball anyway and the ball is picked off by - guess who??? Jimmy Smith, and he returned it for a 100 yard pick six that was called back because Bigfoot was playing on the D line and we caught a break...

My point.

Ben makes weird decisions, sometimes, but we live with them because he generally makes more better decisions than bad ones. Coach Haley sends in some weird formations that result in failed plays, but we live with him because, like Ben, he makes more good decisions than bad. Coach Butler, while this is his first year at DC - he is doing and has done better than most of us expected at the beginning of the season - and he played w/ Blake at DB most of the year. And finally, Coach Tomlin, while he's never had a losing season, his in-game coaching skills can be refined---he has created the best offensive juggernaut that this franchise has ever seen. It though, is not enough. He makes some bad decisions, but, I choose to support him, because he makes more better decisions than bad ones...

 

[mdk2]

Good point, but, as we all know - Ben has FULL AUTHORITY to audible out of the plays that are sent in. Yesterday, it was a combination of miscues and mistakes that lost that game. Simply throwing the ball away instead of taking a sack or throwing a pick changes the outcome of the game too...

Let's re-live the first INT.

Baltimore literally shows that they are only rushing FOUR players. The LB's are playing off as well as the DB and safeties - guess what??? Ben decides to throw an errant pass over the middle of the field straight into Darryl Smith's awaiting hands (yes, he jumped up for it, but, the throw would have had to be perfect - it was not).

The second INT.

I believe Jimmy Smith studied his film last week very well. The timing back shoulder throw route was perfectly defended, albeit, there was contact after 5 yards - AB never got to the spot and - guess what??? Ben threw it anyway...

God intervened on the goal line INT.

As soon as we lined up 5 wide - on FIRST DOWN - I knew the outcome was not going to be good.

NO ONE WAS OPEN and Ben makes another bad decision to force the ball anyway and the ball is picked off by - guess who??? Jimmy Smith, and he returned it for a 100 yard pick six that was called back because Bigfoot was playing on the D line and we caught a break...

My point.

Ben makes weird decisions, sometimes, but we live with them because he generally makes more better decisions than bad ones. Coach Haley sends in some weird formations that result in failed plays, but we live with him because, like Ben, he makes more good decisions than bad. Coach Butler, while this is his first year at DC - he is doing and has done better than most of us expected at the beginning of the season - and he played w/ Blake at DB most of the year. And finally, Coach Tomlin, while he's never had a losing season, his in-game coaching skills can be refined---he has created the best offensive juggernaut that this franchise has ever seen. It though, is not enough. He makes some bad decisions, but, I choose to support him, because he makes more better decisions than bad ones...

Agree with everything you said..
the only thing I will say is on Ben's 2nd INT, I'd have to see the replay again but I think Ben threw to the inside.
Had he thrown to outside back shoulder as planned, I think it would have been completed. Again, I could be wrong but just from what I remember.

 

[Acereros]

We couldn't get 1 freaking yard. The offense had been unstoppable up to that point the previous few weeks against better "D's" If we took the 3 and still lost you would have been on here bitching about Tomlin being a ***** and not going for it, not agressive enough. For some of you it is damned if he does and damned if he does not. Doesn't really matter he will be here another 10 years if he wants.

Not at all, I´m perfectly happy with taking 3 points in the first 3 quarters of the games, especailly in the FIRST. Only when games are on the line in the 4Q would I consider going for it. But looking at Tomlin's record against losing teams, this is not a one off, is it? He is the worst in the NFL, especially with a team as talented as the Steelers are.

 

[Vader]

Unless you're privy to play calls and have a head set how can you tell? But I can look at the game and see which QB played better

I can tell which one had a QB for TWELVE ******* DAYS and which one had a 2 time SB winning QB. One has 15 on IR while the other is almost as healthy as any other team this time of year. Can you not tell that? But I guess you can't tell that from without the play calls? Bullshit

Also you clearly liked Bermuda's break down of the game but he isn't privy to the play calls right? Then how the **** does he get to break it down but not others? I know... because he agrees with you.

 

[Acereros]

Good point, but, as we all know - Ben has FULL AUTHORITY to audible out of the plays that are sent in. Yesterday, it was a combination of miscues and mistakes that lost that game. Simply throwing the ball away instead of taking a sack or throwing a pick changes the outcome of the game too...

Let's re-live the first INT.

Baltimore literally shows that they are only rushing FOUR players. The LB's are playing off as well as the DB and safeties - guess what??? Ben decides to throw an errant pass over the middle of the field straight into Darryl Smith's awaiting hands (yes, he jumped up for it, but, the throw would have had to be perfect - it was not).

The second INT.

I believe Jimmy Smith studied his film last week very well. The timing back shoulder throw route was perfectly defended, albeit, there was contact after 5 yards - AB never got to the spot and - guess what??? Ben threw it anyway...

God intervened on the goal line INT.

As soon as we lined up 5 wide - on FIRST DOWN - I knew the outcome was not going to be good.

NO ONE WAS OPEN and Ben makes another bad decision to force the ball anyway and the ball is picked off by - guess who??? Jimmy Smith, and he returned it for a 100 yard pick six that was called back because Bigfoot was playing on the D line and we caught a break...

My point.

Ben makes weird decisions, sometimes, but we live with them because he generally makes more better decisions than bad ones. Coach Haley sends in some weird formations that result in failed plays, but we live with him because, like Ben, he makes more good decisions than bad. Coach Butler, while this is his first year at DC - he is doing and has done better than most of us expected at the beginning of the season - and he played w/ Blake at DB most of the year. And finally, Coach Tomlin, while he's never had a losing season, his in-game coaching skills can be refined---he has created the best offensive juggernaut that this franchise has ever seen. It though, is not enough. He makes some bad decisions, but, I choose to support him, because he makes more better decisions than bad ones...

I agree that it wasn´t Ben´s best performance, but as I said earlier, the coaches should put players in a position to win. Tomlin has been agressive and gone for 4th downs converting most if them. But this game was extremely important against a team, which although it was decimated by injuries, was going to come out on fire to beat the Steelers. Why didn´t Tomlin play the percentages and opted for a conservative approach when it was way TOO EARLY in the game to be taking risks that may give the opponent any momentum?
In games like this, one of the biggest rivaries in the NFL, you don´t give your opponent an inch of hope. Tomlin did.

 

[Coryea]

How does anyone know if that was supposed to be a back shoulder throw or if AB was supposed to curl inside? AB has been known to run wrong routes before.
How about AB not securing the ball for a TD? How about Bryant dropping a couple, including one on the last drive that wouldve been 6 if he doesn't fall, and would've been a big gain if he catches it and the ball goes right through his hands, but yeah that's all on Ben too.

 

[ark steel]

Yes because the defense gave up 20 points. 20 points. The score was 20-17. Not 41-38 but 20-17. Yes this game is on the offense

Prior to yesterday's game, the Ravens had scored 20 or more in 8 of their previous game (23 I the Steelers game). 20 points ain't a lot in today's NFL. Not counting the Den/Cin game tonight 17 teams scored more than 20 points this week. The week before it was 20.

If your offense can only garner 17 points, you should expect to lose.

 

[antdrewjosh]

I can tell which one had a QB for TWELVE ******* DAYS and which one had a 2 time SB winning QB. One has 15 on IR while the other is almost as healthy as any other team this time of year. Can you not tell that? But I guess you can't tell that from without the play calls? Bullshit

Also you clearly liked Bermuda's break down of the game but he isn't privy to the play calls right? Then how the **** does he get to break it down but not others? I know... because he agrees with you.

So what exactly about his breakdown was wrong? Did Ben clearly not overlook a wide open Miller and Williams force the ball over the middle?

And which QB made perfect throws and hit his checkdowns all game. The franchise one or the one who was sitting on the couch two weeks ago. But of course that's coaching

 

[Coryea]

We allowed Baltimore to possess the ball for 35 minutes and a 12 day QB have a career day, and what we sacked him one time?

 

[Vader]

Prior to yesterday's game, the Ravens had scored 20 or more in 8 of their previous game (23 I the Steelers game). 20 points ain't a lot in today's NFL. Not counting the Den/Cin game tonight 17 teams scored more than 20 points this week. The week before it was 20.

If your offense can only garner 17 points, you should expect to lose.

What? They scored 14 against KC, 6 against Seattle, 13 against Miami and 16 against the Rams. With only one game of their past 5 being over 20 points. Seriously I'm not sure what you are talking about.

 

[Vader]

So what exactly about his breakdown was wrong? Did Ben clearly not overlook a wide open Miller and Williams force the ball over the middle?

And which QB made perfect throws and hit his checkdowns all game. The franchise one or the one who was sitting on the couch two weeks ago. But of course that's coaching

So again he can tell where the plan was to go and how it was to be throw and the route ran but nobody else can? You don't know that and he doesn't know that. Maybe he didn't expect Miller to be there because he ran the wrong route? See you can't have it both ways. Either everybody can talk about it or nobody can. Because nobody really knows every in and out of the game and can't know it. But you're ok with him talking about it because it fits your agenda.

 

[bermudasteel]

I can tell which one had a QB for TWELVE ******* DAYS and which one had a 2 time SB winning QB. One has 15 on IR while the other is almost as healthy as any other team this time of year. Can you not tell that? But I guess you can't tell that from without the play calls? Bullshit

Also you clearly liked Bermuda's break down of the game but he isn't privy to the play calls right? Then how the **** does he get to break it down but not others? I know... because he agrees with you.

Or maybe Ryan Mallet can read a zone coverage better than Ben? Maybe the Rats secondary is better than ours??

I like your posts sometimes too, Vader...