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To all the Tomin haters

jitter77 said:
I dont care how many SBs Tomlin wins it does not make him a good coach. Players seem to like him, but he seems more like one of the guys rather than a coach. How many times have we gone into a game where the other team had a glaring weakness and failed to even attempt to exploit it. When we lost to the ravens last year the coaches sure did not put the team in a good spot to win that game. We should have rode our best player, not some guy just signed to the team. This past Sunday was honestly the first time i remember seeing actual adjustments at halftime. The question is who called for them? Porter, Butler, Tomlin? Whoever did it did a good job. Our pass defense is near the bottom due to poor drafting, refusal to bench certain players, inexperience, and some scheme problems. Tomlin should have input on most of these and the refusal to sit blake is ridiculous. I am happy Tomlin is showing more emotion that was one of my knocks.
When things are smooth sailing tomlin is OK, but when problems arise it shows his weakness. Losing Ben for 4 games was big and Vick is god awful. However we did not really set up a game plan for vick to mask his problems. Jones can pretty much run the same offense as Ben, just not near as good. Pouncey is overrated and beachum was having a bad year. Bell is a loss especially if he and Williams were healthy together, but Williams is certainly no slouch. I think one injury we are forgetting is Golson he could help out in the secondary if he lives up to his draft status.
Currently I would put tomlin in the 12-15 range of coaches. Some are hard to judge because their team is absolute garbage.
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Your opinion is extremely skewed and ******....Marv Levy is in the pro football HOF because of the number of SBs his teams appeared in....never did he WIN one. But hes considered a great coach.

So ...one of the guys.........elaborate on that statement because I believe that you have a great disdain of the coach being animated, pumped up on the sidelines and his energetic demonstrative display with his players. That in of itself doesn't take away from his ability to coach. It just proves you stuck in a mindset that coaches remain emotionless or stoic. Tomlin isn't the one ****** up. You are............

Again. Your opinion needs a makeover. Ranked 12 to 15th. Im gonna have to ask you to give your 12 that are currently better. Show and prove ************........SHOW AND PROVE !!
 
I'd rather he get a little emotional on the sidelines and have the players see him amp'd up and into the game. That's preferred over the arms crossed staring at the jumbo screen trying to figure out what play Haley called, or to see who missed an assignment on D.
I saw a bit on NFL Network where he was mic'd up for the Denver game, and he was doing a lot of coaching and coercion with the D after a big O drive. It was a really good day for the team and coach MT and staff.
 
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stillwright said:
I believe Tomlin was just a face figure when he first was hired. I really wonder how much control he really had. As time has roll by this has become his team. He came in and Dick was his DC(rightfully so) and Arians was promoted from within. Later on he wanted to keep Arians but the Bruce retired just to un-retire. While I agreed with Dick staying on I honestly thought it was only going to be for a few years. He was finally forced out. The Rooney's seemed to do their best Al Davis impersonation with the Tomlin hire. One reason why I don't care for it later on. But who is to say they just would not do it all over again on their next hire.
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Bruce NEVER retired; that was just the Rooney PR spin so they could avoid saying they fired him. Bruce NEVER said he retired, as a matter of fact, he was adamant that he never said anything about retiring.
 
blitzburghv5 said:
You seem to be much brighter than the Steelers leadership council and front office. They haven't realized the truth yet. Perhaps you should offer them your input since they and the rest of the world are in the dark to this stark reality.

Seriously man....if this is the case, then why would the Rooneys give this man two contract extensions over these years ?
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1.) Rooney rule. You think that after having a rule named after you for instituting a policy that teams MUST interview a brother for every open head coach spot, they are gonna fire a black coach? Think about it.

2.) The "We've on had 3 coaches since 1970" badge of honor they wear on their chest. They constantly brag that they move very slowly when it comes to changing head coaches. They live to brag about that.

3.) He wins more than he losses, so they figure they could do worse.

4.) He has won a ring and been to another big dance. That buys a lot of time, even having not won a playoff game in a long time now.
 
POP said:
2.) The "We've on had 3 coaches since 1970" badge of honor they wear on their chest. They constantly brag that they move very slowly when it comes to changing head coaches. They live to brag about that.

3.) He wins more than he losses, so they figure they could do worse.

4.) He has won a ring and been to another big dance. That buys a lot of time, even having not won a playoff game in a long time now.
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Maybe they should try firing the HC every 2 or so years. That strategy really seems to work when running a successful organization.
 
POP said:
Bruce NEVER retired; that was just the Rooney PR spin so they could avoid saying they fired him. Bruce NEVER said he retired, as a matter of fact, he was adamant that he never said anything about retiring.
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Not trying to get into the middle of this "Sword Fight", but just to ensure you're make correct statements within your arguments. Bruce DID retire. However, he does admit that he was forced out and retired because he was a little hurt and needed to take a knee to gather himself. He NEVER planned on staying out of football forever.
Article to support.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7497059/ex-oc-bruce-arians-confirms-pittsburgh-steelers-forced-out

You boys play nice, but I'm really enjoying all the reading material. Be safe out there and have fun!
 
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ark steel said:
Let me translate for you:

Other coaches are not responsible for their players being garbage. They are stuck in a situation under which they had no control.
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Like Cowher was with his QB situation
 
Tomlin was mic'd up for the game. Inside the NFL shows a bunch of good footage apparently. My DVR is set for NFL Network at 9 tonight...
 
#1 Tomlin's team last year was hotly penalized in the first month of the season. Tomlin can't coach - not a disciplinarian. This year, one of the lowest penalized teams in the league - no praise

#2 Tomlin is a terrible time manager: Fact, the steelers are leading the league in scoring under 2minutes for the half and the game. Scoring under 2 minutes is the best indicator of time management.

#3 Tomlin can't win without Cowher's players/QB: Fact is, Ben just may put 2 Steeler coaches into the Hall of Fame.
 
blitzburghv5 said:
Your opinion is extremely skewed and ******....Marv Levy is in the pro football HOF because of the number of SBs his teams appeared in....never did he WIN one. But hes considered a great coach.

So ...one of the guys.........elaborate on that statement because I believe that you have a great disdain of the coach being animated, pumped up on the sidelines and his energetic demonstrative display with his players. That in of itself doesn't take away from his ability to coach. It just proves you stuck in a mindset that coaches remain emotionless or stoic. Tomlin isn't the one ****** up. You are............

Again. Your opinion needs a makeover. Ranked 12 to 15th. Im gonna have to ask you to give your 12 that are currently better. Show and prove ************........SHOW AND PROVE !!
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Here is my list of teams with coaches who I think are better currently.
Pats
Jets
Bills
Balt
Texans
KC
NYG
GB
Carolina
AZ
Sea

That would put Tomlin 12th.
As for being one of the guys I am certainly not against him being animated. This year he is more animated which I think is good. What I meant is I do not think he is very strict and he sees the players as "friends" instead of his employees. Like was that Scoobe who he said about worrying about hurting his feelings or whatever? I think he bases things on how he feels about players rather than their playing ability (aka blake over boykin). Once someone gets in the doghouse seems near impossible to get out.
 
jitter77 said:
Here is my list of teams with coaches who I think are better currently.
Pats
Jets
Bills
Balt
Texans
KC
NYG
GB
Carolina
AZ
Sea

That would put Tomlin 12th.
As for being one of the guys I am certainly not against him being animated. This year he is more animated which I think is good. What I meant is I do not think he is very strict and he sees the players as "friends" instead of his employees. Like was that Scoobe who he said about worrying about hurting his feelings or whatever? I think he bases things on how he feels about players rather than their playing ability (aka blake over boykin). Once someone gets in the doghouse seems near impossible to get out.
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what the hell have half of those guys done to prove they are better than Tomlin?
 
jitter77 said:
Here is my list of teams with coaches who I think are better currently.
Pats
Jets
Bills
Balt
Texans
KC
NYG
GB
Carolina
AZ
Sea

That would put Tomlin 12th.
As for being one of the guys I am certainly not against him being animated. This year he is more animated which I think is good. What I meant is I do not think he is very strict and he sees the players as "friends" instead of his employees. Like was that Scoobe who he said about worrying about hurting his feelings or whatever? I think he bases things on how he feels about players rather than their playing ability (aka blake over boykin). Once someone gets in the doghouse seems near impossible to get out.
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I was thinking about this today... john gruden got 2 firsts and 2 2nds when the raiders traded him.... would you do the same for Tomlin? I'm pretty sure I would trade any coach for that haul
 
CoolieMan said:
what the hell have half of those guys done to prove they are better than Tomlin?
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Pats - hate them or not they have owned the steelers along with being very successful.
Jets - first year coach with not a whole lot of talent offensively and a journeyman QB. Was ahead of us in the playoff standings till last week
Bills - Players love Rex, has not done a whole lot, but he has not had a good QB yet. I think he is a much better X - Os guy
Balt - crappy attitude, but successful. Totally destroyed the steelers gameplan in the playoffs
Texans - team with no QB is leading the division
KC - Andy Reid has the Chiefs playing well and did well with the Eagles
NYG - tough strict, defeated the undefeatable in the SB
GB - defense is not great, but team has no one to catch the ball. Made the playoff 8/10 years beat steelers in SB. Made at least NFC champ game 3/10 years
Carolina - 18-0 in the last 18 regular season games
AZ - not a fan of the Bruce, but had the Colts playing very well and has Palmer and the team playing at a very high level.
Sea - won the SB, got to the last SB, and peaking again now
 
I could see arguments for NE, KC, NYG, and GB being better. That is all I see, though I also like AZ and CAR (for this year) we'll see what they do in the playoffs. For all the flack Tomlin gets about wasting the opportunities of a franchise QB, GB does the same. 1 SB appearance and they were a 6 seed. That's it. Andy Reid in the playoffs, does the same thing every year. Much like Schottenheimer & Cowher before 2005, so he usually doesn't get to the SB, but he is a great coach.
 
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