This loss is on TOMLIN

[Stryker]

That has to be one of the weirdest decision making process Lurie and Roseman completed in hiring Chip Kelly. I to this day, think one of the two was inebriated when that decision was made.


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Him gutting that team was even weirder, then drafted players that he tried to create this up tempo, high cardio team that was supposed to leave defenses winded and beaten. Yeah, that didn't work... Talked about trading his entire draft for Marcus Mariota. Man did Chip Kelly suck, though he was high on Worlids, would have gone after him hard in FA.

 

[topseed]

Thanks Topseed. You also have to put into game context. You are discounting the fact that the Steelers were treating the previous drive like their last chance to get the football. In end game/2 minute scenarios the thought is you try to maintain 1 TO at least and 2min.

The Steelers chose to go with allowing the 2 min warning to serve as a clock stopper, though I agree with you, I think having the extra TO here, but on 2nd down, when the TO was taken, but you did not know what the Redskins were going to do on 3rd down. They passed, and stopped the clock with an incompletion. So if they chose to run the ball in this instance or completed the ball short of the line to gain, the 2min warning was there to stop the clock and the Steelers would have still had 1 TO with just under 2min to play. That's what the Steelers were playing for, but an incompletion actually helped them with their TO management, and gave them an extra play before the 2min warning.

At this point in end game, you are not calculating a first down interception and playing to get the ball back again, which the Steelers still did, but winning percentages are very small when it comes to these scenarios anyway.

I did put the game in context. The Steelers did treat it like their last chance to get the football, Tomlin just did it incorrectly. The point is, you don't know if Washington is going to run or pass or get a first down, so you must trade those seventeen seconds for the privilege of being able to stop the clock again inside the two-minute warning pending the outcome of those plays. Say, for instance, that their 2nd down play is the same, but on third down, Alex Smith is scrambling around for a while, then completes a pass for a first down, and the clock is at the 2-minute warning. In Tomlin's scenario, you've got one timeout left. In mine, you've got two. Which is better?

 

[Coach]

Tomlin has reached only one AFC title game in the past decade since the last Superbowl appearance.

At some point, an organization has to assess what its goals are and whether the man in charge is capable of achieving them.

The league is constantly evolving and just because Tomlin did it 12 years ago does not mean he's capable now.

Has Rooney ever fired anyone in the organization? Is so, who? I have hunch the Tomlin supporters will start pointing fingers once we lose in the playoffs. IMO he's part of the problem.

 

[Coach]

I lived in Philly for all the years Andy was coach there (minus his first 3). They sure as hell didn't appreciate him going 1-5 in NFCC games and losing a SB. They couldn't wait to run him out of town for a college coach that gutted their team. Believe me, they would have lost their minds if KC with Reid won a SB before Perterson got their first.

Pat's steak or Geno's?

Andy Reid is a fine coach. I was hoping the Steelers would hire him when he left Philly.

 

[Stryker]

Pat's steak or Geno's?

Andy Reid is a fine coach. I was hoping the Steelers would hire him when he left Philly.

If you live in Philly, the only choice in Jim's. 4th and South. Both Pat's and Geno's pale in comparison.

 

[Stryker]

I did put the game in context. The Steelers did treat it like their last chance to get the football, Tomlin just did it incorrectly. The point is, you don't know if Washington is going to run or pass or get a first down, so you must trade those seventeen seconds for the privilege of being able to stop the clock again inside the two-minute warning pending the outcome of those plays. Say, for instance, that their 2nd down play is the same, but on third down, Alex Smith is scrambling around for a while, then completes a pass for a first down, and the clock is at the 2-minute warning. In Tomlin's scenario, you've got one timeout left. In mine, you've got two. Which is better?

We called TO after the 2nd down play. If we allow the clock to run down to 2min and keep the 2 timeouts. They still have another play on the other side of the 2min warning. If it's in bounds, you still have to use that TO to stop the clock. So in this scenario, best case, you are at 1:55 with 1 TO, and that is before the FG, and KO. So after those plays, you are probably at about 1:45 with 1 TO. Steelers had the ball over 2 min with a TO when they started their possession. Which one is better?

 

[topseed]

We called TO after the 2nd down play. If we allow the clock to run down to 2min and keep the 2 timeouts. They still have another play on the other side of the 2min warning. If it's in bounds, you still have to use that TO to stop the clock. So in this scenario, best case, you are at 1:55 with 1 TO, and that is before the FG, and KO. So after those plays, you are probably at about 1:45 with 1 TO. Steelers had the ball over 2 min with a TO when they started their possession. Which one is better?

I said Tomlin should have left it run to the 2-minute warning after the first down play, thus keeping all THREE timeouts with the second down play upcoming. Your scenario above doesn't apply to how I would have handled the clock. I don't understand why you can't see where I'm coming from, so we'll have to agree to disagree.

I'm not sure if this was brought up (I didn't see anything) a few weeks ago, but another huge mistake Tomlin made was accepting that 5-yard penalty against the Ravens early in the fourth quarter to make it 3rd-and-15 instead of 4th-and-3 on the Baltimore 32. You got an explanation for that move?

 

[Stryker]

I said Tomlin should have left it run to the 2-minute warning after the first down play, thus keeping all THREE timeouts with the second down play upcoming. Your scenario above doesn't apply to how I would have handled the clock. I don't understand why you can't see where I'm coming from, so we'll have to agree to disagree.

I'm not sure if this was brought up (I didn't see anything) a few weeks ago, but another huge mistake Tomlin made was accepting that 5-yard penalty against the Ravens early in the fourth quarter to make it 3rd-and-15 instead of 4th-and-3 on the Baltimore 32. You got an explanation for that move?

Well now you are south of the 2min warning on 2nd down and 3 TOs. They still have to run 2 plays which would eat more time off of the clock than one play, so likely still kicking a FG at about 1:50 and 1 TO. FG and KO down to about 1:40. So still less time and the same amount of TOs as what happened in the actual game.

And I didn't say Tomlin was perfect. Just better than the **** timing fuckups that Harbaugh and the Cowboys each had at the end of their halfs and failed to score because of it.

 

[bermudasteel]

He’s been fined twice Dumb ***. Once several years ago for the sideline hop and this year for COVID sideline mask protocol. The second is a joke, because every game every coach has violated that protocol.

Shame to the organization, yeah....sure, there is no agenda here you pathetic little man. He’s only in consideration for Coach of the year, is on the league’s Competition Committee, widely lauded by coaches and players alike....except maybe Harbaugh.

Nepotism...hardly. Butler was with Cowher years before Tomlin was hired, and he was still the LB coach DC in waiting until LeBeau left. Fichtner was the WR coach until he replaced Ken Anderson as QB coach and then Arians as the OC three years later. Sure all three were together for one year at Memphis. One..year.

They have no control over the schedule, no team does. Only two at large games are impacted by their previous year record. It’s Any Given Sunday for this league, so schedule rankings are a red herring.

As for your cap issue comment. Ridiculous, and shows how much you don’t know about the economics of the pro game. We are at the cap, EVERY YEAR. Because we try to retain our players, dabble in FA periodically.

Your hate for this coach is obvious and the rationale is borderline idiotic, as much as psychological. Unless it’s something else.

More rant level agenda motivated drivel. The standard BS you add to this board in your OP threads and posting.


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Summary = Outcoached is a ********

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[Coach]

Just imagine what Reid would have done with BR in his prime and the Steelers teams of the past 13 years....-Dv13

In the NFC with Philly? He would have dominated the NFC. They would have ran Ben out of town with some of those INTs in crucial situations, though. With KC, still had Belicheat making tapes.

But thinking Andy handling the play calling and game planning on offense......hmmmm...Serendipity.


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Oh my the difference between Reid and Todd Haley and Randy Fichtner ( the guys Tomlin hired ) is huge. Dv13 is correct. If Reid was out coach, we win at least one more Super Bowl. Offense is the key these days. Tomlin has no clue.

 

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Ike Kelly
He’s been fined twice Dumb ***. Once several years ago for the sideline hop and this year for COVID sideline mask protocol. The second is a joke, because every game every coach has violated that protocol.

Shame to the organization, yeah....sure, there is no agenda here you pathetic little man. He’s only in consideration for Coach of the year, is on the league’s Competition Committee, widely lauded by coaches and players alike....except maybe Harbaugh.

Nepotism...hardly. Butler was with Cowher years before Tomlin was hired, and he was still the LB coach DC in waiting until LeBeau left. Fichtner was the WR coach until he replaced Ken Anderson as QB coach and then Arians as the OC three years later. Sure all three were together for one year at Memphis. One..year.

They have no control over the schedule, no team does. Only two at large games are impacted by their previous year record. It’s Any Given Sunday for this league, so schedule rankings are a red herring.

As for your cap issue comment. Ridiculous, and shows how much you don’t know about the economics of the pro game. We are at the cap, EVERY YEAR. Because we try to retain our players, dabble in FA periodically.

Your hate for this coach is obvious and the rationale is borderline idiotic, as much as psychological. Unless it’s something else.

More rant level agenda motivated drivel. The standard BS you add to this board in your OP threads and posting.

I'm not sure if this was addressed at me, but you're wrong again Ike.


The #Steelers have been fined $75,000 and coach Mike Tomlin fined $25,000 for violating the NFL Injury Report Policy by not accurately listing QB Ben Roethlisberger on the practice report prior to the team’s Week 2 game against #Seahawks

, per me and @TomPelissero


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I could probably find more if I look. For now Tomlin has been fined at least three times. Disgrace. Covid-19 is not a joke. It's not just the player's the NFL is protecting, it's their family and others. Duh. Wearing a mask is not a joke. You are aware this virus has taken the lives of 300,000 people, left many who recovered from it weak, and hurt a thriving economy? Geez. You should apologize just to clear the air.

No Ike, the schedule matters. Ours has been easy this year. The won loss record of our opponents says so .

 

[Ike Kelly]

Just imagine what Reid would have done with BR in his prime and the Steelers teams of the past 13 years....-Dv13



Oh my the difference between Reid and Todd Haley and Randy Fichtner ( the guys Tomlin hired ) is huge. Dv13 is correct. If Reid was out coach, we win at least one more Super Bowl. Offense is the key these days. Tomlin has no clue.

Oh my the difference.......yeah, the difference is HC Andy replaced Haley in KC after Romeo Crennel’s one year stint. Fichtner was hired first as a WR coach, later moved to QB coach and then became OC ....11 years after being hired. He followed BA and Haley as Ben’s sounding board, not as a HC.

Reid couldn’t be our HC coach because.....he was a HC elsewhere. Plus Andy wouldn’t leave a HC job for a OC one. That’s the difference.

Funny you like bets, I’m willing to bet Tomlin and Fichtner individually know more about the game than you ever have or ever could. All the while probably being much younger than you as well.

PS, glad you have taken to your correct name “outcoach”ed since you are using it in your sentences.


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[Coach]

Oh my the difference.......yeah, the difference is HC Andy replaced Haley in KC after Romeo Crennel’s one year stint. Fichtner was hired first as a WR coach, later moved to QB coach and then became OC ....11 years after being hired. He followed BA and Haley as Ben’s sounding board, not as a HC.

Reid couldn’t be our HC coach because.....he was a HC elsewhere. Plus Andy wouldn’t leave a HC job for a OC one. That’s the difference.

Funny you like bets, I’m willing to bet Tomlin and Fichtner individually know more about the game than you ever have or ever could. All the while probably being much younger than you as well.

PS, glad you have taken to your correct name “outcoach”ed since you are using it in your sentences.


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DUH Ike. I said hire Reid before KC hired him when he was out there a long tine ago. He's the team OC / has heavy input to it and by having a head coach that can double as a coordinate you insulate yourself from loss of losing your OC or DC. Not that ours are any good, otherwise they would be a head coach elsewhere.

Tomlin by the standards of his profession is a bad X and Os coach, and his choice of who to hire as a coordinator are pretty bad, probably because he doesn't know much about the other side of the ball. Tomlin's cover 2 defense isn't used much at all in the NFL these days. He rode the coattails of Dungy as a DB coach and had just one mediocre year as the DC in Minnesota. Was he better than Russ Grimm? Probably but that is a low bar. The Steelers could have done much better.

 

[topseed]

Well now you are south of the 2min warning on 2nd down and 3 TOs. They still have to run 2 plays which would eat more time off of the clock than one play, so likely still kicking a FG at about 1:50 and 1 TO. FG and KO down to about 1:40. So still less time and the same amount of TOs as what happened in the actual game.

And I didn't say Tomlin was perfect. Just better than the **** timing fuckups that Harbaugh and the Cowboys each had at the end of their halfs and failed to score because of it.

Um, no, in the actual game, Washington threw an incompletion on 3rd down, so the Steelers would have still had two timeouts left. You continue to somehow miss the point that having more timeouts at the 2 minute warning left gives you more flexibility, and allows you to utilize them accordingly to combat whatever the offense may or may not do.

So you can't give me a direct answer about that ridiculous decision to accept that penalty in the Ravens game, except that some other coaches are stupid too. OK.

 

[Ike Kelly]

DUH Ike. I said hire Reid before KC hired him when he was out there a long tine ago. He's the team OC / has heavy input to it and by having a head coach that can double as a coordinate you insulate yourself from loss of losing your OC or DC. Not that ours are any good, otherwise they would be a head coach elsewhere.

Tomlin by the standards of his profession is a bad X and Os coach, and his choice of who to hire as a coordinator are pretty bad, probably because he doesn't know much about the other side of the ball. Tomlin's cover 2 defense isn't used much at all in the NFL these days. He rode the coattails of Dungy as a DB coach and had just one mediocre year as the DC in Minnesota. Was he better than Russ Grimm? Probably but that is a low bar. The Steelers could have done much better.

Hire Andy as a OC? Andy wasn’t taking any OC job. He was approached by more than KC for a HC job. You are a idiot to insinuate such. Also, before you go piping off they should’ve fired Tomlin and hired Andy, why would the Rooney’s fire a coach and replace him with a lessor resume? Plus the fact Tomlin beat Andy two years later in the divisional round.

Road the coattails....please. Every HC came from another highly successful coach. Andy road Mike Holmgren coattails who road Bill Walsh, who he in turn road Paul Brown.

You are a petty, singleminded individual whose hate of this team’s head coach is downright inflammatory. Just go on and say it to get it off your chest. But just remember this coach has more knowledge on the game you could ever have.


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[Stryker]

Um, no, in the actual game, Washington threw an incompletion on 3rd down, so the Steelers would have still had two timeouts left. You continue to somehow miss the point that having more timeouts at the 2 minute warning left gives you more flexibility, and allows you to utilize them accordingly to combat whatever the offense may or may not do.

So you can't give me a direct answer about that ridiculous decision to accept that penalty in the Ravens game, except that some other coaches are stupid too. OK.

That is because we are arguing hypothetials now. In a timing situation, you are more apt to control the clock under 2 min and have your opponent burn TOs, as opposed to going for the first down above the 2min warning to ice the game.

i will admit that it was very dumb for the Redskins to pass in that situation.

 

[mdk2]

**** you, Ebron. Ever since this clown talked about the SB we haven't won game.

Sorry, that's all.

 

[George12]

The :Lions and Colts couldn't wait to get rid of the talented piece of ****, wonder why ?

 

[Coach]

Hire Andy as a OC? Andy wasn’t taking any OC job. He was approached by more than KC for a HC job. You are a idiot to insinuate such. Also, before you go piping off they should’ve fired Tomlin and hired Andy, why would the Rooney’s fire a coach and replace him with a lessor resume? Plus the fact Tomlin beat Andy two years later in the divisional round.

Road the coattails....please. Every HC came from another highly successful coach. Andy road Mike Holmgren coattails who road Bill Walsh, who he in turn road Paul Brown.

You are a petty, singleminded individual whose hate of this team’s head coach is downright inflammatory. Just go on and say it to get it off your chest. But just remember this coach has more knowledge on the game you could ever have.


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NO NO, I said fried TOMLIN, and hire Andy

 

[Sarge]

fried TOMLIN

Is that anything like baked Tomlin? Boiled Tomlin?