The Official Thread Dedicated to "Trump Winning"

[Tibs]

Don't worry, after this Schitt media stunt backfires

Hey *******, nice to see you too. Swing by and chime in with your deep, thoughtful analysis of all things American politics.

This whole impeachment process got started for a very simple reason. Inspector General Michael Atkinson, who Trump himself appointed, found the whistleblower's account credible.

End of story.

 

[Tibs]

He went to Schitt first. That is a huge problem.,,,making Schitt a material witness....who is now running the investigations?
Yes, yes. And none of that proves Vidman isn't a partisan hack. Facts matter.

Yeah, facts matter hamster, would be high time for you to look into them. You're confusing the original whistleblower - who seeked House counsel - with Vindman. Vindman went directly to the National Security counsel John Eisenberg - not Schiff - to lodge his complaint, as required under NSC policy.

 

[Confluence]

Hey *******, nice to see you too. Swing by and chime in with your deep, thoughtful analysis of all things American politics.

This whole impeachment process got started for a very simple reason. Inspector General Michael Atkinson, who Trump himself appointed, found the whistleblower's account credible.

End of story.

Real question, no virtue signaling allowed:

Does yer Uncle Georg support:

- the other male, stale and pale billionaire politico

Or

- Hooker, Booker and Butt, cuz Amerika is ready for a presidential threesome

to combat Orange Man Bad??



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[Vader]

Yeah, facts matter hamster, would be high time for you to look into them. You're confusing the original whistleblower - who seeked House counsel - with Vindman. Vindman went directly to the National Security counsel John Eisenberg - not Schiff - to lodge his complaint, as required under NSC policy.

Answer me this: Is Vindman lying about knowing the whistle blower? He said that he didn't know who it was. Then he mentioned Kent as the first person he told. But how does he know Kent isn't the whistle blower if he doesn't know who the WB is? Same with Schitt. He was ok with him saying Kent's name. How does he know Kent isn't the WB? They are lying.

 

[Vader]

BTW Vindman's former boss (someone who worked in foreign affairs so he has to be above reproach and just as saintly as Vindman) reprimanded him when he was putting down Americans in front of Russian officers.

https://tennesseestar.com/2019/11/0...n-as-partisan-democrat-who-ridiculed-america/

 

[Tibs]

Answer me this: Is Vindman lying about knowing the whistle blower? He said that he didn't know who it was. Then he mentioned Kent as the first person he told. But how does he know Kent isn't the whistle blower if he doesn't know who the WB is? Same with Schitt. He was ok with him saying Kent's name. How does he know Kent isn't the WB? They are lying.

You just heard multiple, first person witness testimony from people who were on the phone call, who all raised similar concerns to the original whistleblower. Who cares who that brave soul was at this point? What does it matter? The issues raised have now been collaborated many times over.

It's like having a corner coffee shop catch on fire. Somebody makes that initial phone call to the fire dept, then a bunch of people stand around, watch the building ablaze, and eventually the fire dept. comes out to put the fire out. And you're concerned with the identity of the person who first phoned it in? Beyond ridiculous and frankly, completely insignificant at this point. Don't allow Trump's hangups become your hangups. It's not a pretty sight.

 

[Vader]

You just heard multiple, first person witness testimony from people who were on the phone call, who all raised similar concerns to the original whistleblower. Who cares who that brave soul was at this point? What does it matter? The issues raised have now been collaborated many times over.

It's like having a corner coffee shop catch on fire. Somebody makes that initial phone call to the fire dept, then a bunch of people stand around, watch the building ablaze, and eventually the fire dept. comes out to put the fire out. And you're concerned with the identity of the person who first phoned it in? Beyond ridiculous and frankly, completely insignifiant at this point. Don't allow Trump's hangups become your hangups. It's not a pretty sight.

I know you aren't this daft. My issue isn't with the WB. It's with Schiff and Vindman lying about it. You know they are lying but won't admit it. You can couch your disdain for the truth with words like "bravery" but I know better. They are lying. Schiff doesn't want him to testify so he lies about him and even the statute that covers him.

What no opinion about Hickman?

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

Trump is proving time and time again he's serving only his most narrow political interests instead of pursuing American security and foreign policy for the sake of the country. We've seen that with Putin & election hacking, with his reckless Ukraine policy w Giuliani and in Syria with Erodgan and the Kurds. Everyone in the Government and Diplomatic core - with an ounce of self-respect, reason & patriotism - is going to resent this. On that point, you're 100% correct.

Well I totally disagree on this. I don’t see anything he is actually doing as self serving at all.

Also someone’s distinguished military career doesn’t mean in any way that they will be a good diplomat or advisor. It does not in any way mean he is a bad person. One doesn’t besmirch his record simply by disagreeing with him now.


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[hamster]

Yeah, facts matter hamster, would be high time for you to look into them. You're confusing the original whistleblower - who seeked House counsel - with Vindman. Vindman went directly to the National Security counsel John Eisenberg - not Schiff - to lodge his complaint, as required under NSC policy.

I'm going off of today's testimony.....unless you have insider info? Vindman knew the whistleblower, they conspired with Schitt. Schitt is protecting him.
Rinse repeat.

 

[Steelworth]

Why do you hate decorated, long-serving American patriots?

How about this decorated, long-serving American Patriot? Who has fought in two wars and has been awarded more medals than some can count?

Lieutenant General Keith Kellogg, November 19th 2019; “I was on the much-reported July 25 call between President Donald Trump and President Zelensky. As an exceedingly proud member of President Trump’s Administration and as a 34-year highly experienced combat veteran who retired with the rank of Lieutenant General in the Army, I heard nothing wrong or improper on the call. I had and have no concerns.”

He's an American hero who served his country with bravery and honor. How could we possibly question his integrity?

 

[Steelworth]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kind of hard to prove a corrupt quid pro quo theory when the key U.S. policy people, plus the Ukrainians, were never aware of such an arrangement. <br><br>Can we go back to governing now, that’d be great thanks. <a href="https://t.co/HESOurfgzz">https://t.co/HESOurfgzz</a></p>— Dan Crenshaw (@DanCrenshawTX) <a href="https://twitter.com/DanCrenshawTX/status/1196969303213584385?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 20, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

And I love Dan Crenshaw: "Can we get back to governing now, that'd be great thanks"

 

[Spike]

LOL

Its blowing up in their faces, again!

GOP Senator Kennedy: "Impeachment proceedings look like Kavanaugh hearing without the Vagina Hats'"

 

[Hypocycloids]

I'm sure you'll be delighted this week's witnesses include numerous Trump government officials with first-hand testimony.

So far so good! Right Tibs?

 

[Tibs]

Congratulations, job well done!

<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“The Army has placed Alexander <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Vindman?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Vindman</a>, an expert on Ukraine and a central figure in the impeachment inquiry, & his family under 24-hour security monitoring after Trump targeted Vindman in tweets accusing Vindman of being politically opposed to Trump.”<a href="https://t.co/MuaOLkaWfU">https://t.co/MuaOLkaWfU</a></p>— Michael Lieberman (@ADLWashCounsel) <a href="https://twitter.com/ADLWashCounsel/status/1196924229289218051?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 19, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>

 

[Tibs]

So far so good! Right Tibs?

Not sure what you're referencing. So far so good, insofar that witnesses are showing up and testifying. Would be great to hear from Pence, Pompeo, Barr & Giuliani and see the subpoened documents and call records & transcripts the WH is withholding.

Will be interesting to hear Gordon Sondland's testimony today, as he's been thrown under the bus by Volker, Morrison and others. There are multiple holes in his earlier sworn testimony. Will he testifiy - and correct the record - or plead the fifth? We'll find out later today.

 

[Tibs]

If you're paying even the slightest attention, it should be abundantly clear the issue is far more than a single phone call.

This is not seperate from, but an extension of the Russia investigation, it's all very much connected. Sadly, Pelosi is correct when she claims ''all roads lead to Putin" with Trump.

Trump is trying to discredit the US Intelligence Community's assessment that Russia interfered in the 2016 election. It gives cover to pardoning Manafort and Flynn and removing sanctions. As an added bonus, it attempts to discredit a potential presidential opponent.

But the Trump/GOP narrative is falling apart in real time. This criminal enterprise is in progress of being exposed.

And for that we should be thankful. Trump got caught with his hand in the cookie jar, thanks to the brave patriots who've exposed him.

 

[Confluence]

If you're paying even the slightest attention, it should be abundantly clear the issue is far more than a single phone call.

This is not seperate from, but an extension of the Russia investigation, it's all very much connected. Sadly, Pelosi is correct when she claims ''all roads lead to Putin" with Trump.

Trump is trying to discredit the US Intelligence Community's assessment that Russia interfered in the 2016 election. It gives cover to pardoning Manafort and Flynn and removing sanctions. As an added bonus, it attempts to discredit a potential presidential opponent.

But the Trump/GOP narrative is falling apart in real time. This criminal enterprise is in progress of being exposed.

And for that we should be thankful. Trump got caught with his hand in the cookie jar, thanks to the brave patriots who've exposed him.

So it is Groundhog Day Tibsy!!

I'm sure Avenatti will get involved soon for you to anoint on your list of American patriots, again.

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[Tibs]

Groundhog Day

Good point, Confluence. Sadly, with Trump and Russia, it is like Groundhog Day. The same sordid affair, replayed over and over again.... when will it finally end?

 

[Sarge]

Sarge, let me ask you this. If this happened under President Obama, do you think these same people - that you call Never Trumpers - would have kept their mouths shut? If Obama was on the phone trying to exert pressure on a foreign head of state to go after John McCain or Mitt Romney, you think these same people would have stayed silent? If you say yes, I disagree with you wholeheartedly. I think those raising concerns over Trump's actions have ZERO to do with partisan politics. And I realize I'm pretty much alone this, here at SN. It is what it is.

It did happen under President Obama. And they all kept their mouths shut. Remember when Joe Biden told the Ukrainians that unless they fired the prosecutor looking into the corruption surrounding Hunter Biden and Burisma, they weren't going to get that $1 billion in military aid? And Obama spent the better part of his second term holding aid out and yanking it back. Over and over. Remember that? Was anybody spun up about that? Where were all the hearings? The impeachment inquiry? And do you honestly believe that LTC Vindman knew nothing about it? Give me a break.

And I didn't call them never Trumper's. You did. I was just using your terminology.

You are absolutely either naive or obtuse if the these people are apolitical. First of all, EVERYONE has an opinion on Donald Trump, American or not. When I served overseas, one thing I always did was do my very best to keep up with what is going on at home, and I am certain these people are no different. Everyone the world over is aware of what is going on in America, and everyone has an opinion. There is some visceral hate for the man inside and outside of the government. Nothing that happens in government these days surprises me. And people still think that this type of thing is 3rd world banana republic type stuff, that it could never happen here. Not in America. Well, it's happening here.

As I have said, if the man is guilty of something, have at it. But any evidence presented to this point has been flimsy at best. If this is the standard we are setting for impeaching Presidents, we are in trouble. I mean, at least with Clinton, it was clear he lied under oath. No way was he ever gonna be convicted, but he lied under oath, no question. With Trump, we have people's opinions, feelings, intuitions. I still have yet to hear anything concrete.

 

[deljzc]

Good point, Confluence. Sadly, with Trump and Russia, it is like Groundhog Day. The same sordid affair, replayed over and over again.... when will it finally end?

And somehow, we are all doing fine. Haven't you realized yet that all the so-called "affairs" you complain about really don't do anything BAD?

Who is really worse off after all these years with Big, Bad, Donald Trump in the White House exactly? A bunch of career diplomats have their panties in a bunch because things aren't the same old corruption?

I don't understand how all these diplomats have concerns over a phone call that led to nothing (Ukraine still got all their money) but failed to inform ANYONE or have ANY CONCERNS when Hunter Biden just magically gets a job in Ukraine for $500k/year with no qualifications?

It's just nonsense Tibs. You are nonsense. Your constant sky-is-falling rhetoric is pathetic. Nothing BAD is happening. It's all Washington crap. Trump the outsider not knowing how to game the system like all the "professionals" that have been doing the same things for generations.

This just isn't that big a deal. Trump is not nuanced enough to know how he could have actually done a quid-pro-quo with Ukraine like Obama, Biden and Clinton have forever. Just because he's a bull in a China shop doesn't make his actions that much worse than what our politicians have been doing forever. If anything he is bringing to the forefront the hypocrisy that is Washington, Congress and the infrastructure that is our foreign service. Blow it up and start over.

 

[IndySteel]

Ha ha ha, **** Vindman!

War heroes slammed Army Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, a National Security Council official who testified Tuesday in the impeachment inquiry’s third public hearing.
Vindman, who served as director of Eurasia at the NSC, testified that after listening to the July 25 phone call between President Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenksy, he went to the NSC lawyer to report his concerns about the call.

Specifically, Vindman testified that he thought it was wrong that Trump brought up investigations into allegations of whether Ukraine interfered in the 2016 elections as well as allegations surrounding Hunter Biden’s seat on the board of a Ukrainian natural gas company whose executive was being investigated for corruption.

Vindman testified that he did not have concerns whether it was illegal or a crime, but said he found it morally wrong. He also testified that he advised the Ukrainians not to get involved in U.S. domestic politics.

Vindman’s testimony rubbed some military veterans the wrong way, including prominent war heroes.

Mark Geist, a Marine who fought off terrorists during the 2012 Benghazi terrorist attack on the U.S. annex in Libya, tweeted:

Vindman is a disgrace to all who have served. Transcript of his previous closed door testimony he clearly admits to undermining the @POTUS foreign policy and now he has chairman Schiff advising him on how to answer questions.

Vindman is a disgrace to all who have served. Transcript of his previous closed door testimony he clearly admits to undermining the @POTUS foreign policy and now he has chairman Schiff advising him on how to answer questions. @codeofvets #treason #traitor #POS #conductunbecoming https://t.co/1FVActrpS0

— Mark Geist (@MarkGeistSWP) November 19, 2019

Rob O’Neill, the Navy SEAL who killed Osama bin Laden, also criticized Vindman as an “operative.”

“I agree. I wish the left wouldn’t use his uniform to make him a saint. He’s an operative with an agenda,” he said in response to a tweet by the president’s son, Donald Trump Jr.

Trump Jr. tweeted: “Anyone listening to Vindman stammer through this seemingly trying to remember the Catch Phrases he was well coached on should get that. He’s a low level partisan bureaucrat and nothing more.”

I agree. I wish the left wouldn’t use his uniform to make him a saint. He’s an operative with an agenda. https://t.co/b6JfanQ2aQ

— Robert J. O'Neill (@mchooyah) November 19, 2019

Jonathan T. Gilliam, another well-known Navy SEAL tweeted:

“This guy reeks of spy! #Vindman should be added to the list of deep staters that should be charged with conspiracy to overthrow”:

This guy reeks of spy! #Vindman should be added to the list of deep staters that should be charged with conspiracy to overthrow @realDonaldTrump pic.twitter.com/BMesIlVVbb

— Jonathan T Gilliam (@JGilliam_SEAL) November 19, 2019

And Tim Kennedy, a mixed martial arts fighter and current National Guard member tweeted: “Correcting a civilian about how to be a addressed is a for sure way to make everyone in the military think you are a douche bag.”

Correcting a civilian about how to be a addressed is a for sure way to make everyone in the military think you are a douche bag. https://t.co/uclV6B7VnG

— Tim Kennedy (@TimKennedyMMA) November 19, 2019

During his testimony, Vindman corrected House Intelligence Committee Ranking Member Devin Nunes (R-CA) for calling him, “Mr. Vindman.”

Vindman interrupted Nunes with, “Ranking Member, it’s lieutenant colonel Vindman, please.”

 

[Confluence]

Lol Tibsy, you don't get it.

You are "Groundhog Day Tibsy" because you cannot break yourself out of that cycle.

It is caused by TDS.

Take this to your therapist and will save you thousands of dollars!

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[SojournerSteel]

Anybody concerned about the internet rumors that Trump went to the hospital over the weekend after a Secret Service food tester fell violently ill?

The Ministry of Propaganda outlets themselves already reported in January 2018 that President Trump eats McDonalds for fear of being poisoned.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-eats...raid-poison-donald-fast-food-obsession-769796

This is a wicked cabal trying to unseat Trump by hook or by crook.

Trump is disrupting the permanent ruling class and national security state in exactly the same ways as described by James Douglass in his "JFK and the Unspeakable."

That book details how his Ambassador and the State Dept undermined his policy on Vietnam at every turn. Sound familiar?

They want him gone.

 

[Superman]

what's the uproar about? Peter Venkman is an expert.

 

[IndySteel]

"Yes, it's true. This man has no dick." - Venkman