The Official Thread Dedicated to "Trump Winning"

[Sarge]

Trump is in a different orbit and is way beyond the norm. He has been - and remains - a threat to the very pillars of democracy this country was founded on.

Please explain how. Seriously. I want to hear it from you. Please do not regurgitate democrat talking points, I want to know what you see.

But this is not a partisan political issue at all.

You could have fooled me, considering that Democrats and the news media have been calling for his impeachment since November 9th, 2016.

 

[Steelworth]

Trump is in a different orbit and is way beyond the norm. He has been - and remains - a threat to the very pillars of democracy this country was founded on.

Yeah I'd really like to hear the specifics on this one as well, Sarge.

 

[wig]

This is easy to work with...

"These are, in today's democratic party, spineless politicians rotten to the core without virtue, without any level of human integrity, devoid of self respect... Without courage and without the moral compass to recognize their own malevolence"

And I suspect a LOT more people feel this way right now that the OTHER way... Just sayin'. For 3 years the democrats have accomplished absolutely nothing. Not one thing. Aside from taking the house, which ultimately is a waste of effort as they'll likely lose it next mid-term, what have the democrats accomplished aside from attack the president every hour of every day? Name ONE thing. Please.

 

[wig]

Tibs,

I’ll be around after the fall of the Trump empire, so we can discuss how the country can pick up the broken shards of the Republic and figure out how to piece it back together again.

I am being completely honest here. I don't know a single liberal minded person who has EVER shown any interest whatsoever in "piecing it back together". There is no interest whatsoever in working with anyone who isn't hard democrat, there is no interest in behaving in a civil, decent manner. Indeed, I honestly believe this. I'm not exaggerating - I have no faith whatsoever that the democrats have ANY interest in putting anything back together. They merely wish to eradicate conservativism.

The fact that I can't find ONE democrat that has ever spoken ill of Antifa or their antics tells you all you need to know. Antifa are the brown-shirts of the new order.

 

[wig]

And again Tibs,

Trump is in a different orbit and is way beyond the norm. He has been - and remains - a threat to the very pillars of democracy this country was founded on. Most of you don't see it that way, I understand. But this is not a partisan political issue at all.

Seriously, I would love for you to give me ONE example of how Trump has 'threatened the pillars of democracy"? Trump isn't calling for the end of the electoral college - many democrats are. If any one thing were ever to utterly destroy our form of democracy, that is it. I can tell you the moment any administration decides to abolish the electoral college is the moment we all appreciate the fact that so many Americans are armed to the teeth as we no longer have a representative government, merely self-appointed dictators.

Again, if you could give me just ONE concrete example of how Trump has gone against the foundational tenets of this country, I'd love to see it.

 

[Tibs]

Please explain how. Seriously. I want to hear it from you. Please do not regurgitate democrat talking points, I want to know what you see. You could have fooled me, considering that Democrats and the news media have been calling for his impeachment since November 9th, 2016.

Sarge, I'm not here to convince you of anything, or defend my views. Not at this stage after all that's been said and done. These past three years speaks for itself. If you choose to ignore or explain away Trump's transgressions that's your choice. The fact he welcomed foreign interference into our elections, and continues to do so; the fact he constantly lies to the American people on a daily basis; the fact he runs a shadow foreign policy - full of bribes and extortion - to undermine national interests in pursuit of his own. He's been impeachable from the beginning, when he paid off porn stars to stay quiet two weeks before the election. And he's even more impeachable ever since, with constantly accumulating misdeeds just adding to the overall **** list. To impeach a President is not an issue of criminality and never has been. It's simply abusing the power of his office, misleading the country with constant lies and deceits, breaking his basic oath of office. He has done all of that 50x over since he stepped into the WH.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

Sarge, I'm not here to convince you of anything, or defend my views. Not at this stage after all that's been said and done. These past three years speaks for itself. If you choose to ignore or explain away Trump's transgressions that's your choice. The fact he welcomed foreign interference into our elections, and continues to do so; the fact he constantly lies to the American people on a daily basis; the fact he runs a shadow foreign policy - full of bribes and extortion - to undermine national interests in pursuit of his own. He's been impeachable from the beginning, when he paid off porn stars to stay quiet two weeks before the election. And he's even more impeachable ever since, with constantly accumulating misdeeds just adding to the overall **** list. To impeach a President is not an issue of criminality and never has been. It's simply abusing the power of his office, misleading the country with constant lies and deceits, breaking his basic oath of office. He has done all of that 50x over since he stepped into the WH.

Translation......These are my opinions, and I hate Trump. Good to know. Factual, proven specific facts would better serve you.

Three year of daily assaults, with the caveat of any day now. We're all still waiting, and all of this is absolutely political, why you'd have to be blind not to see it.

 

[Tibs]

Translation......These are my opinions, and I hate Trump. Good to know. Factual, proven specific facts would better serve you. Three year of daily assaults, with the caveat of any day now. We're all still waiting, and all of this is absolutely political, why you'd have to be blind not to see it.

I wonder in hindsight - once the smoke has cleared - how some of you will look back on this presidency. How you will explain your stubborn steadfastness to ignore everything that happened. How you will reconcile the fact you believed what Trump was telling you, for so many years. How you ignored the writing on the wall. How you rejected out of hand any and all criticism levied against him. Why? For what purpose? My guess is mostly out of fear. The fear of the unknown, the fear of being wrong, the fear liberals and Dems are actually right about something. Maybe there's something else, but I'm not seeing it.

 

[Sarge]

Sarge, I'm not here to convince you of anything, or defend my views. Not at this stage after all that's been said and done. These past three years speaks for itself. If you choose to ignore or explain away Trump's transgressions that's your choice. The fact he welcomed foreign interference into our elections, and continues to do so; the fact he constantly lies to the American people on a daily basis; the fact he runs a shadow foreign policy - full of bribes and extortion - to undermine national interests in pursuit of his own. He's been impeachable from the beginning, when he paid off porn stars to stay quiet two weeks before the election. And he's even more impeachable ever since, with constantly accumulating misdeeds just adding to the overall **** list. To impeach a President is not an issue of criminality and never has been. It's simply abusing the power of his office, misleading the country with constant lies and deceits, breaking his basic oath of office. He has done all of that 50x over since he stepped into the WH.

I don't want you to convince me of anything. I just keep hearing how he is a threat to the "pillars of our democracy", and for my part, I still haven't heard how.

Now to address your points....

Inviting foreign interference into our election. What foreign interference did he welcome into our election? Are you talking about when he said Russia should find Hillary's e-mails? I hope that's not it. And doing it still? Are you talking about investigating Biden and Obama holding up $1 billion in aid to Ukraine until a prosecutor investigating Burisma was fired? Oh I know, he was soliciting interference to get dirt on a political rival. That's how it was framed. My bad.

Lying to the American people. Lying isn't an impeachable offense. If it was, we wouldn't have a politician with more than a few months of service at most, and no president would have finished his term.

A shadow foreign policy. First I heard of this. Who has he bribed and extorted, specifically?

Paying porn stars to be quiet is not impeachable. It's not a crime, and he was neither the President, VP or any civil officer of the United States. You can't impeach somebody for something they did before they held office. You just can't. It's called non-disclosure, happens all the time, and why does anyone care who the president ******? You don't have to like it, hell you can even be indignant about it. But you can't do anything about it.

And I don't need you to explain that impeachment isn't about criminality. But it also isn't about mean stuff that we don't like, calling Rosie O'Donnel fat or Hillary won the popular vote. To this point, all I see is a leftist tantrum, three years running, with no end in sight. So what are you guys gonna do when impeachment fails? Move on to assassination? It's about all you guys have left.

 

[Sarge]

And something else.

Destroying the pillars of democracy...….You mean like sanctuary cities, abolishing the electoral college, trying to abolish 2A, eroding 1A, and coming up with laws that circumvent 5A and 14A? Who is destroying those pillars of democracy?

 

[Steeltime]

This has nothing to do with Democrats vs. Republicans, liberals vs. conservatives. It's about one thing, and one thing only. The lawless, feckless authoritarian Trump and his hypnotic grip on the GOP and his base. Trump has zero to do with 'hundreds of thousands of square miles with good roads, great neighborhoods, safe environments, beautiful, clean.'

Actually, he has more to do with those clean safe areas than you will ever - EVER - admit. How many hundreds of thousands of illegals are still in El Salvador, Guatemala, Mexico, etc. due to his policies? Those illegals remaining out of our country improves housing, traffic, public transportation, schools, and neighborhoods.

You lived in Long Beach once. You know what neighborhoods teeming with illegals look like.

Another lovely bastion for illegals.

Obama is in a different orbit and is way beyond the norm. He has been - and remains - a threat to the very pillars of democracy this country was founded on. Most of you don't see it that way, I understand. But this is not a partisan political issue at all.

See how just saying things does not mean it's true? And I certainly recall you railing against those who promised armageddon due to Obama, and made fun of them.

News alert - you are now that guy.

Finally, I asked a pretty simple question. You avoided it. For a reason. That reason? Leftists are like ticks. The feed off the conservative communities for taxes, and roads, and infrastructure, and food, and medical care. But once they take over, like any other diseased tick, they kill the host.

Leftists: Diseased ticks looking for a healthy (conservative) host to infect and kill.

 

[Steeltime]

I wonder in hindsight - once the smoke has cleared - how some of you will look back on this presidency. How you will explain your stubborn steadfastness to ignore everything that happened. How you will reconcile the fact you believed what Trump was telling you, for so many years. How you ignored the writing on the wall. How you rejected out of hand any and all criticism levied against him. Why? For what purpose? My guess is mostly out of fear. The fear of the unknown, the fear of being wrong, the fear liberals and Dems are actually right about something. Maybe there's something else, but I'm not seeing it.

I heard the exact same ******* things about Reagan. The difference now? Stupid ******* social media, where the snowflakes can share their trembling outrage.

 

[Spike]

I think we losing the whole eastern seaboard



Women, minorities dominate Boston’s once-white city council

Boston’s city council is getting a new look: its first female majority and a more racially diverse lineup than ever before.

Voters on Tuesday elected the council’s first Latina. They also voted in a slate of female candidates.

Starting in January, the 13-member council will have eight women. Seven councilors will be minorities, the council’s most ever.

Asian American city councilor Michelle Wu says it’s the “new face” of Boston politics.

Voters also rejected a ballot question to change the name of Dudley Square in historically black Roxbury to Nubian Square.

https://apnews.com/20d3aaf267164aee88694d134bef10c7

 

[Spike]

I like Rand, but that pic reminds me of the debate where Trump looked far to his left at him and said "You're still here? You shouldn't even be on the stage." LMAO, classic.

Trump Jr has bigger balls than Rand


Trump's son tweets name of alleged whistleblower

Washington (AFP) - President Donald Trump's son published on Wednesday the name of the alleged anonymous whistleblower whose complaint fired the impeachment inquiry against Trump, breaking strict conventions for protecting officials who reveal wrongdoing in government.

Amid calls by the president himself to expose the whistleblower, Donald Trump Jr. tweeted the name of a CIA analyst which has circulated online for weeks

https://news.yahoo.com/impeachment-trumps-son-tweets-name-alleged-whistleblower-154514305.html

 

[Tibs]

A shadow foreign policy. First I heard of this. Who has he bribed and extorted, specifically?

It's all public domain, just gotta read it.

Ambassador Taylor's testimony reveals how, through a shadow foreign policy channel, Trump withheld military assistance and a White House meeting from Ukraine until Ukrainian officials agreed to announce investigations to help Trump politically.

The testimony of Ambassador Taylor can be found here.

By the way, where is Rudy Giuliani? Anyone seen him lately? That ****** disappeared from the face of the earth past week or so. Up until then he was front and center 24/7, smugly defending his - and Trump's - every move. Awfully strange he's gone radio silent.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

TIbs with all due respect I have absolutely zero issue with any President withholding aid to investigate corruption first. Period. If all one has to do to be immune from investigation is think about running for office then how would anyone ever get investigated. There is almost always a statement about corruption required for aid to be sent to another cOuntry that is suspect. This is a totally manufactured issue. I absolutely guarantee every other modern President has done the same thing. Hell Biden brags about it on tape. This is total faux outrage over the something that is a tried and true tool used by Presidents and other diplomats. After what the democrats did to trump during the election how can any of them make this a n issue without any semblance of hypocrisy. Even if they prove their was some kind quid pro quo they can't in anyway prove it was for anything other than his investigation of corruption. That is why this will die a quick death IF it ever makes it to the Senate. Hell your side should be thrilled he was trying to investigate election interference. Or is that only good when it is looking at the right only.I have never in my life been more embarrassed by the liberals actions and policies in this country. It is shameful to watch this blatant politically motivated sham play out for the whole world to see the Democrats acting like petulant spoiled brats who didn't get there way.

 

[Tibs]

TIbs with all due respect I have absolutely zero issue with any President withholding aid to investigate corruption first. Period. If all one has to do to be immune from investigation is think about running for office then how would anyone ever get investigated. There is almost always a statement about corruption required for aid to be sent to another cOuntry that is suspect. This is a totally manufactured issue. I absolutely guarantee every other modern President has done the same thing. Hell Biden brags about it on tape. This is total faux outrage over the something that is a tried and true tool used by Presidents and other diplomats. After what the democrats did to trump during the election how can any of them make this a n issue without any semblance of hypocrisy. Even if they prove their was some kind quid pro quo they can't in anyway prove it was for anything other than his investigation of corruption. That is why this will die a quick death IF it ever makes it to the Senate. Hell your side should be thrilled he was trying to investigate election interference. Or is that only good when it is looking at the right only.I have never in my life been more embarrassed by the liberals actions and policies in this country. It is shameful to watch this blatant politically motivated sham play out for the whole world to see the Democrats acting like petulant spoiled brats who didn't get there way.

With all due respect, and I mean that sincerely, I'm amazed you've bought into this idea Trump's quid pro quo simply involved 'investigating corruption.' Like Trump has ever been interested in anything like that, lol. Everything Trump's done w Ukraine has had zero to do with corruption or national interests. It was simply to dig up dirt on Joe Biden and get a leg up on a political rival. He did it nefariously, through back channels via Rudy Guiliani, circumventing the State Dept and ended up shafting our ambassador who was in his way. This is the definition of high crimes and misdemeanors. Clearly, you see it differently, and are buying into Trump's $9.99 special lie-of-the-month. It's even more amazing to me you think this is faux outrage drummed up by Dems. Ponder, just for a moment, all of the key witnesses thus far have all been Trump appointees. It would be a welcome change if some of you started looking at the facts and pushed aside the Trump/Fox talking points that are so easily dismissed in this case. There is only one question for any of us to answer. Do you stand with Trump? Or do you stand with America and the Constitution? There is no gray area here.

 

[IndySteel]

Holy ****. The cray is back in full force.

 

[Sarge]

And people think this country is coming back together. Not happening.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

No TIbs only Democrats who want to believe that know that. The rest of the Country, as you will find out during the next election see right through the lies of the left. Donald Trump ran on fighting corruption and draining the swamp. Can you really tell me you don't have serious problem with Biden's son surreptitiously getting these extremely well paid positions without a shred of experience and being put in a position to influence politics through father? Whether technically legal or not that is exactly the kind of swamp draining he ran on. The evidence against Biden and other Dems is what is overwhelming and being totally ignored simply for political gain. All the key witnesses have provided not one shred of real evidence aside form opinion and hearsay. Many of them were appointed on the recommendation of others and some like the whistleblower are either Democrats or never thisrumper who have an axe to grind. None of them have produced any corroboration of any actual quid pro quo that was directly tied to anything other than standard requests that would be made and can in no way prove that even if there was it was for political gain versus fighting corruption. EVen if they decide he is guilty of that I personally don't see it as impeachable, particularly in the current hyper politically charged environment of all out resistance and intention to impeach no matter what. The democrats have cried wolf once to often and put miserable insufferable hacks like Nadler and Schiff at the forefront totally poising the investigation for themselves politically. Probably all but insuring a Trump electoral landslide.

 

[Tibs]

No TIbs only Democrats who want to believe that know that. The rest of the Country, as you will find out during the next election see right through the lies of the left.

Kind of like the election results from yesterday? Seems 'the rest of the country' has not bought into Trump's bs, thank God. Just like in the midterms, I expect we'll see more of the same from hereon. The fact the impeachment case will go to live tv next week should be welcome news for you - and Trump - who is evidently keen on getting the facts of this case out in the open.

 

[Supersteeler]

I wonder in hindsight - once the smoke has cleared - how some of you will look back on this presidency. How you will explain your stubborn steadfastness to ignore everything that happened. How you will reconcile the fact you believed what Trump was telling you, for so many years. How you ignored the writing on the wall. How you rejected out of hand any and all criticism levied against him. Why? For what purpose? My guess is mostly out of fear. The fear of the unknown, the fear of being wrong, the fear liberals and Dems are actually right about something. Maybe there's something else, but I'm not seeing it.

You just proved all of Trump supporters points once again. You don't have a reason. All of these hyperbolic, bombastic statements you Trump haters love to throw around are devoid of substance. They are meaningless talking points that have no basis in truth. You've basically admitted it numerous times here and you expect us to keep buying into this faux outrage nonsense? It's all smoke and mirrors.

 

[Steeltime]

With all due respect, and I mean that sincerely, I'm amazed you've bought into this idea Trump's quid pro quo simply involved 'investigating corruption.' Like Trump has ever been interested in anything like that, lol. Everything Trump's done w Ukraine has had zero to do with corruption or national interests. It was simply to dig up dirt on Joe Biden and get a leg up on a political rival. He did it nefariously, through back channels via Rudy Guiliani, circumventing the State Dept and ended up shafting our ambassador who was in his way.

You would be 100% fine if he used the NSA, CIA and FBI to do the same, though, right?

 

[Supersteeler]

I wonder in hindsight - once the smoke has cleared - how some of you will look back on this presidency. How you will explain your stubborn steadfastness to ignore everything that happened. How you will reconcile the fact you believed what Trump was telling you, for so many years. How you ignored the writing on the wall. How you rejected out of hand any and all criticism levied against him. Why? For what purpose? My guess is mostly out of fear. The fear of the unknown, the fear of being wrong, the fear liberals and Dems are actually right about something. Maybe there's something else, but I'm not seeing it.

Please answer this very simple, very straightforward question that you have dodged and ignored for 2 years. If this isn't only based on bullshit partisan politics, why did Democrats openly begin to advocate for impeachment literally the DAY AFTER THE ELECTION in 2016?

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

Kind of like the election results from yesterday? Seems 'the rest of the country' has not bought into Trump's bs, thank God. Just like in the midterms, I expect we'll see more of the same from hereon. The fact the impeachment case will go to live tv next week should be welcome news for you - and Trump - who is evidently keen on getting the facts of this case out in the open.

Sorry I live near KY, Bevin was a bad candidate he only came close due to Trump. Try digging into the rest of the KY results and you will see that was an aberration. VA did not surprise me it is trending blue do to an influx of Democrats nothing more. It sucks but it is what it is. VA will reap the "rewards" over the next decade and become another blue shithole. KY Republicans elected the first ever african-american attorney general who will be a shoe in to be the next governor there. KY historically is a split State Governor Dem the rest solid red for whatever reason. The Democrats if you truly look at State by State polling on issues are actually losing major ground electorally particularly with impeachment. It is not popular n the State they would need to win back or not lose. The Dems have gone so far left I don't think there is much chance of any of them beating Trump unless Gabbard would miraculously get the nomination which is highly unlikely. The Dems know this that is why they are pushing a non issue so hard for impeachment. It is there only chance of beating Trump, at this point.