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The Dobbs thread

Dobbs didn't look good but he will be better than Landry. Why do we have a guy named Landry on our squad anyway.
 
Will Dobbs be starting again this week??? Maybe Rothlesberger a series or two then Dobbs is what I think. I be more curious as to his second outing as that should be a little better.



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Steelers1356 said:
Keep in mind he was thrown into a pre-season game against the Giants first team defense, not an easy task for any rookie QB.
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That's a great indicator that he isn't where he would need to be if he got called to play. You do NOT want to see this kid playing during the regular season. Maybe they have hopes that he will displace Landry as a backup at some point. He has a long *** way to go to prove that he should be starting on Sunday's.

I would hope the FO grabs a day 1 or 2 QB in the draft next year unless they can sign a UFA like Cousins (if Ben retires).
 
Drink IRON City said:
Will Dobbs be starting again this week??? Maybe Rothlesberger a series or two then Dobbs is what I think. I be more curious as to his second outing as that should be a little better.



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I'd rather see Dobbs against a 1st team D again than Ben.

What is up with Jones' injury?
 
JGP77 said:
One thing I noticed about Dobbs versus Trubisky,and Deshaun Watson is that Dobbs playcalls were for him in the pocket while Watson and Trubisky were rolled out almost entirely making their reads and throws much easier and allowed them to only read half the field. Dobbs was impressive last night once he got his game legs.

I went back and watched it over and over, difficult to see, even going frame by frame, because Winn is so close, but I think he gets Dobb's forearm. The ball comes out at a higher release point that Dobbs usually has, almost the top of the arc, causing it to wobble initially out of his hand. I watched it several times last night because after it happened, I thought; "Damn, his arm looked so much stronger in college." Then, he throws that rope to Cobi Hamilton where Cobi presses Blake wide and breaks inside. It is a touch high and Cobi has to go get it, but it was a rope. He stepped up and when he released that football, he was standing just outside his own 20. He threw it to the opposing team's 40, so a 40 yard rope. I think they got him a couple check downs and easy throws that settled him.

That throw was also after the 2nd INT, which to me, is one of those welcome to the NFL rookie moments. It is a smart DC calling a great play that baits a young, inexperienced QB into throwing a bad pass. If you cut off the left side of the screen, Eli Rogers is wide open on that in breaking route. He was late making the throw, and just flipped it out there to Rogers. I bet next time, if he makes that same throw, he puts some heat on it and doesn't lollipop it over the middle.

Those INTs came on back to back passes. But, then some things started happening that gave him some confidence. They call a little flare out to James and he completes it. No real gain, but it is a confidence builder. Then comes the scramble where he eludes the MLB and shakes off a tackle from the safety for a nice gain. I mean, all that bad seemed to happen in the first 20 minutes (his run came mid-2nd quarter). He was facing the Giants 1st/2nd team during that time and on offense, they started Touissant at RB. No AB. No Bryant. Hell, they pulled Hunter quickly. JuJu left with a concussion. So, his best WRs are Rogers, DHB (played sparingly), Tucker, Severin, and Hamilton. I mean, really? And, don't forget, Severin dropped two passes that hit him right in the hands.

Dobbs also threw a nice out route to DHB on the sideline, fit it in a tight window. He threw an incomplete pass for DHB on 3rd down where DHB had a step on the CB. Dobbs releases on his own 18, ball bounces on the Lions 37 or so, overthrew DHB. So, I'm thinking, same throw to Martavis, does his speed and length put him there. And, safety was closing deep, Dobbs arm strength gets it there before the window closes. So, he shows the ability to throw to all spots on the field. On the TD to Hamilton, Cobi pushes Blake outside again, gets a step, and Dobbs puts it on him in the endzone. Really nice throw. Again, did not take forever to get there. Blake couldn't recover and it isn't like Hamilton is some speedster, so the window was nice, but not like a lollipop throw to a wide open guy.

There is a 3rd and 14 play with ~6 minutes left in the 3rd where the Giants blitz the blindside with Blake, Dobbs has enough athleticism to get around Blake outside, rolling to his right, sheds Blake, has the ILB chasing him outside, and on a full run, he throws to the first down marker and hits Severin in the hands. Severin drops it. He is moving inside and the pass is a little behind him, but he kind of half jumps and drops the ball. You get the scramble TD taken off the board.

Dobbs went 8 for 15 for ~100 yards, 1 TD, and 2 INTs. Ben, in his first preseason game, following Maddox, went 8 for 13 for 84 yards and a TD. When Ben came in, he had Bettis and Parker at RB. He completed passes to ARE. So, he got time with 1s and 2s. And, he might not have a TD if they had not ran a fake punt where Polamalu breaks it for 65 yards.

I'm not sure much can be gleaned from this game as far as how well his future is or isn't. Jamais Winston, in his whole preseason as a rookie, completed 48.9% of his passes with no TDs and 2 INTs. He put up back to back 4000 yard seasons. Kirk Cousins completed 57.5% of his passes with 3 TDs and 2 INTs over his whole rookie preseason. Andrew Luck wasn't much better than Cousins at 62.1% with 3/2. Robert Griffin was though, completing 64.3% with 2/0. Andy Dalton was 60% 1/3. Colin Kapernick was 48% 0/5, and that was when he stood for the anthem. Then, you have guys like Colt Brennan who complete 67.9% of their passes with 3 TDs and 0 INTs. Kevin Kolb 66% 2/0. Brady Quinn 64.4% 3/1.

Meh, rather look at how they performed on individual plays. Granted, mistakes and INTs matter, but I'd rather see a guy get his arm hit and wobble one out and not read a DE dropping from the off side than see a guy stare down a WR and throw it in the gut of the DB or throw into heavy coverage. Dobbs didn't do that last night. He went through progressions. He threw to open guys. He extended plays with his feet and once the initial excitement wore off and he quit overthrowing everyone, he made some nice plays. It is something to build on. I like him better after last night than I did prior to him being drafted, and I thought he was one of the better QBs available in this draft class.
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I didn't expect much and at first that is exactly what Dobbs delivered. But as you stated he did show improvement as the game continued on. He was facing a stout Giants defense and not the #2's, 3rd or even scrubs that won't be on the team in three weeks but the starters. I think and hope Dobbs plays a lot this preseason and this is the barometer to judge him from. I feel he makes strides each game and if he learns from each mistake the team will be better off. I would much rather him learn from a mistake now in the preseason than a regular season game when it counts.

I will enjoy seeing the progression of Dobbs and I can't wait to see him in the last preseason game to compare from his first.
 
Ben will likely get the 1st QTR this week and hopefully Dobbs the rest of the game. If Jones can't go, Dobbs has to be ready to be
back-up in game 1.
 
Let's keep in mind that Giant's defense did something the Steeler's defense couldn't. Hold the Cowboys.

Dobbs was a 4th round pick and he saw his first action against THAT defense with several receivers and a couple running backs who most likely will be on some other team in a few weeks. I'd say we don't hang him out to dry just yet.
 
Ben needs a little kick the dust off time. Dobbs needs to kick the Laundry off and progress to #2. I'm hoping he can achieve that and if he continues to progress and play the game,.................he will be #2.


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Hines57 said:
That's a great indicator that he isn't where he would need to be if he got called to play. You do NOT want to see this kid playing during the regular season. Maybe they have hopes that he will displace Landry as a backup at some point. He has a long *** way to go to prove that he should be starting on Sunday's.

I would hope the FO grabs a day 1 or 2 QB in the draft next year unless they can sign a UFA like Cousins (if Ben retires).
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Carson Wentz in his first preseason game against the tough tampa 3rd stringers was 12 of 24, 89 yards, no touchdowns and an interception. Jared Goff sure didn't look much better but they're both starting. Initially Dobs looked pretty damn bad but you gotta give it to him, he didn't get that deer in the headlights look that both Goff and Wentz had in their first preseason appearances last season. Dobbs came back and had some nice throws and at least he's mobile. Not saying he's going to be great or anything, but at the very least he should be able to beat out landry, which would be awesome.
 
Hines57 said:
You've got 2 years and 4.4 million reasons why Landry is going to be here through 2018, http://steelerswire.usatoday.com/20...no-quarterback-for-the-steelers-in-the-draft/
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Yep and that is ok for now. You make Dobbs the #3 for the time being so he can learn for a year or two. He will be on the roster but will be inactive most weeks. By the time Landry's tenure is over, hopefully Dobbs will have shown enough to at the very least be a solid #2.....hopefully more than that but we shall see. The scary thing is that Ben will likely be about done too. You have to at least draft one more guy in the first couple rounds between now and then. Dobbs and whoever it is can battle it out.
 
Dobbs looked like a rookie starting his first NFL game. I'm not that concerned yet. Hopefully he can correct his mistakes. IMO, Dobbs wasn't drafted to replace Ben. He was drafted to replace Jones.
 
Supersteeler said:
Yep and that is ok for now. You make Dobbs the #3 for the time being so he can learn for a year or two. He will be on the roster but will be inactive most weeks. By the time Landry's tenure is over, hopefully Dobbs will have shown enough to at the very least be a solid #2.....hopefully more than that but we shall see. The scary thing is that Ben will likely be about done too. You have to at least draft one more guy in the first couple rounds between now and then. Dobbs and whoever it is can battle it out.
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Which is my point to begin with. He is a wasted pick. If we're going to draft a QB in round 1 or 2 in the next year, why did we take one now in round 4 when we could have taken a position player where we needed more depth? We can go grab a QB off the scrap heap to hold the clipboard.
 
In practice he seems to have a fair share of passes falling short, I wonder slightly about his arm strength..
 
hook said:
Dobbs looked like a rookie starting his first NFL game. I'm not that concerned yet. Hopefully he can correct his mistakes. IMO, Dobbs wasn't drafted to replace Ben. He was drafted to replace Jones.
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We would have been better off picking up a free agent Qb better than Jones who wants a ring.

Dobbs looks like a coach killer type. Too many mistakes and turnovers ( see last season in college ) and he can't read a defense well. I doubt he breaks these habits, because he won't get enough reps, and IMO he lacks the feel of a QB.
 
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