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Tonight he stunk up Giant stadium which is saying a lot because Giant stadium is built on a swamp. On another note Giant Stadium is terrible. Really, for 1.5 billion it's a shell of a stadium.
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Once he ran with the ball Dobbs did well. He was accurate and fired the ball in tight coverage, nice passes to Hamilton. Dobbs did not seem rattled and really the first interception arm was hit, second really a bad offensive call for a first game to a rookie. Moved out of pocket with accuracy.
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Shaky start but Dobbs bounced back nicely. Some nice passes to Hamilton.
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I disagree. He was shaky early but got it together nicely. He showed real promise.
It was like watching Kordell Stewart. Terrible early, but enough plays to win the game.
Rough start but he came back and played well. Not sure who had the miscommunication on his first int, him or Rogers. Since Rogers has been doing that during camp, I am tending to think he was at fault for that one. Wasn't expecting much. I hope he gets the start this week. He's the type of kid that learns from his and others mistakes and it showed even in the first half of last night.
Couldn't agree more...I said the same thing on draft night, waste of a pick. He wasn't accurate in college, that def wont change in the NFL. After watching him last night, I wouldn't be disappointed if he was even cut. I know it wont happen because that would be admitting a mistake, but he's not an NFL QB, just taking up space.
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Just because you thought it was a bad pick doesn't mean it was. You don't cut a guy you drafted in the 4th Round after 1 pre season game. Crazy talk.
People get too wrapped up in wanting to "be justified" in their pre draft predictions. Sometimes to the point of wanting somebody to fail so they can be right. Not saying that you do but people do it every year. It's how Lawrence Timmons became my favorite Steeler after his draft day. I wanted him to succeed so he could stuff it down their throats.
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Keep in mind he was thrown into a pre-season game against the Giants first team defense, not an easy task for any rookie QB.
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I agree on the Stadium. I went to a Seahawks/Giants game a few years back and I thought the Stadium was awful. Very bland, concrete and steel bowl. Dank and damp in spots.
Shows what you can buy for $1.5 billion when your local governments and union halls decide being a simple construction laborer you should make $150,000/year.
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When he got it together, wasn't he playing against 2nd and 3rd stringers?
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I don't think at this point that matters as much as the fact he looked better and more confident. Early he looked nervous.
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It is good that it appeared that he didn't let it get him down, but we shouldn't pretend it was a good outing. It was his first ever NFL game for a 4th round pick. We didn't expect "good". Seems as if we got what should be expected. Poor vs the 1st D, better agains the non 1st.
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It was an up and down outing. The questions is, moving forward will he have more ups or downs.
I do like that he had the mental fortitude to bounce back after an awful start.
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I was upset with him at first and would have had the same opinion but he changed my mind with the way he carried himself and some of the throws he made regardless of who they were against. The scramble and throw for a touchdown was a thing of beauty even if it got called back. It was a strike right to the receiver in traffic. Landry does not make that play. The long touchdown pass was also spot on.
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One thing I noticed about Dobbs versus Trubisky,and Deshaun Watson is that Dobbs playcalls were for him in the pocket while Watson and Trubisky were rolled out almost entirely making their reads and throws much easier and allowed them to only read half the field. Dobbs was impressive last night once he got his game legs.
I went back and watched it over and over, difficult to see, even going frame by frame, because Winn is so close, but I think he gets Dobb's forearm. The ball comes out at a higher release point that Dobbs usually has, almost the top of the arc, causing it to wobble initially out of his hand. I watched it several times last night because after it happened, I thought; "Damn, his arm looked so much stronger in college." Then, he throws that rope to Cobi Hamilton where Cobi presses Blake wide and breaks inside. It is a touch high and Cobi has to go get it, but it was a rope. He stepped up and when he released that football, he was standing just outside his own 20. He threw it to the opposing team's 40, so a 40 yard rope. I think they got him a couple check downs and easy throws that settled him.
That throw was also after the 2nd INT, which to me, is one of those welcome to the NFL rookie moments. It is a smart DC calling a great play that baits a young, inexperienced QB into throwing a bad pass. If you cut off the left side of the screen, Eli Rogers is wide open on that in breaking route. He was late making the throw, and just flipped it out there to Rogers. I bet next time, if he makes that same throw, he puts some heat on it and doesn't lollipop it over the middle.
Those INTs came on back to back passes. But, then some things started happening that gave him some confidence. They call a little flare out to James and he completes it. No real gain, but it is a confidence builder. Then comes the scramble where he eludes the MLB and shakes off a tackle from the safety for a nice gain. I mean, all that bad seemed to happen in the first 20 minutes (his run came mid-2nd quarter). He was facing the Giants 1st/2nd team during that time and on offense, they started Touissant at RB. No AB. No Bryant. Hell, they pulled Hunter quickly. JuJu left with a concussion. So, his best WRs are Rogers, DHB (played sparingly), Tucker, Severin, and Hamilton. I mean, really? And, don't forget, Severin dropped two passes that hit him right in the hands.
Dobbs also threw a nice out route to DHB on the sideline, fit it in a tight window. He threw an incomplete pass for DHB on 3rd down where DHB had a step on the CB. Dobbs releases on his own 18, ball bounces on the Lions 37 or so, overthrew DHB. So, I'm thinking, same throw to Martavis, does his speed and length put him there. And, safety was closing deep, Dobbs arm strength gets it there before the window closes. So, he shows the ability to throw to all spots on the field. On the TD to Hamilton, Cobi pushes Blake outside again, gets a step, and Dobbs puts it on him in the endzone. Really nice throw. Again, did not take forever to get there. Blake couldn't recover and it isn't like Hamilton is some speedster, so the window was nice, but not like a lollipop throw to a wide open guy.
There is a 3rd and 14 play with ~6 minutes left in the 3rd where the Giants blitz the blindside with Blake, Dobbs has enough athleticism to get around Blake outside, rolling to his right, sheds Blake, has the ILB chasing him outside, and on a full run, he throws to the first down marker and hits Severin in the hands. Severin drops it. He is moving inside and the pass is a little behind him, but he kind of half jumps and drops the ball. You get the scramble TD taken off the board.
Dobbs went 8 for 15 for ~100 yards, 1 TD, and 2 INTs. Ben, in his first preseason game, following Maddox, went 8 for 13 for 84 yards and a TD. When Ben came in, he had Bettis and Parker at RB. He completed passes to ARE. So, he got time with 1s and 2s. And, he might not have a TD if they had not ran a fake punt where Polamalu breaks it for 65 yards.
I'm not sure much can be gleaned from this game as far as how well his future is or isn't. Jamais Winston, in his whole preseason as a rookie, completed 48.9% of his passes with no TDs and 2 INTs. He put up back to back 4000 yard seasons. Kirk Cousins completed 57.5% of his passes with 3 TDs and 2 INTs over his whole rookie preseason. Andrew Luck wasn't much better than Cousins at 62.1% with 3/2. Robert Griffin was though, completing 64.3% with 2/0. Andy Dalton was 60% 1/3. Colin Kapernick was 48% 0/5, and that was when he stood for the anthem. Then, you have guys like Colt Brennan who complete 67.9% of their passes with 3 TDs and 0 INTs. Kevin Kolb 66% 2/0. Brady Quinn 64.4% 3/1.
Meh, rather look at how they performed on individual plays. Granted, mistakes and INTs matter, but I'd rather see a guy get his arm hit and wobble one out and not read a DE dropping from the off side than see a guy stare down a WR and throw it in the gut of the DB or throw into heavy coverage. Dobbs didn't do that last night. He went through progressions. He threw to open guys. He extended plays with his feet and once the initial excitement wore off and he quit overthrowing everyone, he made some nice plays. It is something to build on. I like him better after last night than I did prior to him being drafted, and I thought he was one of the better QBs available in this draft class.
I went back and watched it over and over, difficult to see, even going frame by frame, because Winn is so close, but I think he gets Dobb's forearm. The ball comes out at a higher release point that Dobbs usually has, almost the top of the arc, causing it to wobble initially out of his hand. I watched it several times last night because after it happened, I thought; "Damn, his arm looked so much stronger in college." Then, he throws that rope to Cobi Hamilton where Cobi presses Blake wide and breaks inside. It is a touch high and Cobi has to go get it, but it was a rope. He stepped up and when he released that football, he was standing just outside his own 20. He threw it to the opposing team's 40, so a 40 yard rope. I think they got him a couple check downs and easy throws that settled him.
That throw was also after the 2nd INT, which to me, is one of those welcome to the NFL rookie moments. It is a smart DC calling a great play that baits a young, inexperienced QB into throwing a bad pass. If you cut off the left side of the screen, Eli Rogers is wide open on that in breaking route. He was late making the throw, and just flipped it out there to Rogers. I bet next time, if he makes that same throw, he puts some heat on it and doesn't lollipop it over the middle.
Those INTs came on back to back passes. But, then some things started happening that gave him some confidence. They call a little flare out to James and he completes it. No real gain, but it is a confidence builder. Then comes the scramble where he eludes the MLB and shakes off a tackle from the safety for a nice gain. I mean, all that bad seemed to happen in the first 20 minutes (his run came mid-2nd quarter). He was facing the Giants 1st/2nd team during that time and on offense, they started Touissant at RB. No AB. No Bryant. Hell, they pulled Hunter quickly. JuJu left with a concussion. So, his best WRs are Rogers, DHB (played sparingly), Tucker, Severin, and Hamilton. I mean, really? And, don't forget, Severin dropped two passes that hit him right in the hands.
Dobbs also threw a nice out route to DHB on the sideline, fit it in a tight window. He threw an incomplete pass for DHB on 3rd down where DHB had a step on the CB. Dobbs releases on his own 18, ball bounces on the Lions 37 or so, overthrew DHB. So, I'm thinking, same throw to Martavis, does his speed and length put him there. And, safety was closing deep, Dobbs arm strength gets it there before the window closes. So, he shows the ability to throw to all spots on the field. On the TD to Hamilton, Cobi pushes Blake outside again, gets a step, and Dobbs puts it on him in the endzone. Really nice throw. Again, did not take forever to get there. Blake couldn't recover and it isn't like Hamilton is some speedster, so the window was nice, but not like a lollipop throw to a wide open guy.
There is a 3rd and 14 play with ~6 minutes left in the 3rd where the Giants blitz the blindside with Blake, Dobbs has enough athleticism to get around Blake outside, rolling to his right, sheds Blake, has the ILB chasing him outside, and on a full run, he throws to the first down marker and hits Severin in the hands. Severin drops it. He is moving inside and the pass is a little behind him, but he kind of half jumps and drops the ball. You get the scramble TD taken off the board.
Dobbs went 8 for 15 for ~100 yards, 1 TD, and 2 INTs. Ben, in his first preseason game, following Maddox, went 8 for 13 for 84 yards and a TD. When Ben came in, he had Bettis and Parker at RB. He completed passes to ARE. So, he got time with 1s and 2s. And, he might not have a TD if they had not ran a fake punt where Polamalu breaks it for 65 yards.
I'm not sure much can be gleaned from this game as far as how well his future is or isn't. Jamais Winston, in his whole preseason as a rookie, completed 48.9% of his passes with no TDs and 2 INTs. He put up back to back 4000 yard seasons. Kirk Cousins completed 57.5% of his passes with 3 TDs and 2 INTs over his whole rookie preseason. Andrew Luck wasn't much better than Cousins at 62.1% with 3/2. Robert Griffin was though, completing 64.3% with 2/0. Andy Dalton was 60% 1/3. Colin Kapernick was 48% 0/5, and that was when he stood for the anthem. Then, you have guys like Colt Brennan who complete 67.9% of their passes with 3 TDs and 0 INTs. Kevin Kolb 66% 2/0. Brady Quinn 64.4% 3/1.
Meh, rather look at how they performed on individual plays. Granted, mistakes and INTs matter, but I'd rather see a guy get his arm hit and wobble one out and not read a DE dropping from the off side than see a guy stare down a WR and throw it in the gut of the DB or throw into heavy coverage. Dobbs didn't do that last night. He went through progressions. He threw to open guys. He extended plays with his feet and once the initial excitement wore off and he quit overthrowing everyone, he made some nice plays. It is something to build on. I like him better after last night than I did prior to him being drafted, and I thought he was one of the better QBs available in this draft class.
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I will break down some of Dobbs throws last night.
Interception 1. It looked bad. His receiver beat the corner deep and was wide open. Dobbs saw it, and released the ball. I don't know it the ball slipped out of his hands or the defender hit his arm, but it looked like the ball just died leaving his hands. I think he had the right read, but bad a bad throw.
Interception 2. The Giants crowded the line with 8 guys in the box, threatening a big blitz. It was obviously a well disguised zone blitz, and the right D end took one step in, then dropped back into the short center zone. Dobbs never saw him, when he thought he was throwing to a wide open receiver in the middle of the field. I don't fault him as much on this play. It's a tough read for a rookie QB to make, but it's definitely a learning experience. In the same situation, under the same pressure, without the experience, I would have made the same mistake.
Deep Pass to Hamilton. Stepped up and showed he can deliver the deep ball with accuracy. It was my favorite pitch and catch of the game.
TD 1 to Hamilton This was a great pass over top of the D slightly underthrown, but no where a defender could have made a play. I know it was on Blake, and I always felt he had the worst footwork of any CB we ever had, but still a nice ball, the right read, and a great throw.
TD to Grimble called back- This was Dobbs best throw of the night. When he threw it, I thought it was another pick. When I saw the replay, I thought, how the **** did he make that throw? He has a gun, and that was the tightest of windows, he could have thrown through. I've never seen Landry make a throw like that. Only Ben can, and now, so can Dobbs.
You guys ******** on Dobbs after his first 2 INTs missed what he has to offer as a potential NFL QB. He didn't wilt under pressure, and didn't lose it after making mistakes. He came back strong and threw 2 TDs (one called back), and got the Steelers the lead at the half, and again in the 3rd. I think there is definitely some potential to build on here.
I also loved his speed and quickness on his run. I haven't seen that since the Kordell days, and it is something defenses have to look out for.
Interception 1. It looked bad. His receiver beat the corner deep and was wide open. Dobbs saw it, and released the ball. I don't know it the ball slipped out of his hands or the defender hit his arm, but it looked like the ball just died leaving his hands. I think he had the right read, but bad a bad throw.
Interception 2. The Giants crowded the line with 8 guys in the box, threatening a big blitz. It was obviously a well disguised zone blitz, and the right D end took one step in, then dropped back into the short center zone. Dobbs never saw him, when he thought he was throwing to a wide open receiver in the middle of the field. I don't fault him as much on this play. It's a tough read for a rookie QB to make, but it's definitely a learning experience. In the same situation, under the same pressure, without the experience, I would have made the same mistake.
Deep Pass to Hamilton. Stepped up and showed he can deliver the deep ball with accuracy. It was my favorite pitch and catch of the game.
TD 1 to Hamilton This was a great pass over top of the D slightly underthrown, but no where a defender could have made a play. I know it was on Blake, and I always felt he had the worst footwork of any CB we ever had, but still a nice ball, the right read, and a great throw.
TD to Grimble called back- This was Dobbs best throw of the night. When he threw it, I thought it was another pick. When I saw the replay, I thought, how the **** did he make that throw? He has a gun, and that was the tightest of windows, he could have thrown through. I've never seen Landry make a throw like that. Only Ben can, and now, so can Dobbs.
You guys ******** on Dobbs after his first 2 INTs missed what he has to offer as a potential NFL QB. He didn't wilt under pressure, and didn't lose it after making mistakes. He came back strong and threw 2 TDs (one called back), and got the Steelers the lead at the half, and again in the 3rd. I think there is definitely some potential to build on here.
I also loved his speed and quickness on his run. I haven't seen that since the Kordell days, and it is something defenses have to look out for.
He looked like a rookie in his first action. No big deal.
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I liked the draft pick, and nothing I saw last night changed my opinion. He was one of the only three or four QBs I like in the most recent draft
Odds are that he won't amount to much in the league, but there is a lot of talent there.
There are a lot of things he needs to improve upon, but if he can, he will.
His demeanor and intelligence are special.
Odds are that he won't amount to much in the league, but there is a lot of talent there.
There are a lot of things he needs to improve upon, but if he can, he will.
His demeanor and intelligence are special.
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I like the positive feed back. If he can develope and take Laundry's place I'll consider him a good draft pick. If he goes further than that then a lot of us will eat the "proverbial" CROW and I'll be smiling the whole time as I love crow.......... If this turns out to be the case.
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