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The Coronavirus thread

Here is an interesting question for those in the healthcare industry, or with family in the industry: Ask them to ask the people in the hospital in charge of billing if the hospital gets higher reimbursement for patients classified as CV-19, or if they at least find greater ease of billing for CV-19 patients as compared to non-CV19?

The answer could explain why the CV-19 numbers are so high. Insurance companies certainly wouldn't want to be called out for challenging charges for CV-19 patients, it would be a PR nightmare and hospitals know it.

I don’t think a new DRG or CPT codes have been created for COVID-19 cases. I could be wrong. I’m thinking they are using existing codes based on symptoms. Telemedicine billing has gone through the roof but is similar to office visit billing.
 
Just got yelled at at Wal Mart for entering through a door marked ENTER..but it was the exit door to keep everyone separated. Guess I should be locked up with the way I got yelled at and from all the looks of the other shoppers. Honest mistake- if they don’t want people entering a door marked ENTER, then take the sign down. This is getting beyond stupid.
 
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Here is an interesting question for those in the healthcare industry, or with family in the industry: Ask them to ask the people in the hospital in charge of billing if the hospital gets higher reimbursement for patients classified as CV-19, or if they at least find greater ease of billing for CV-19 patients as compared to non-CV19?

The answer could explain why the CV-19 numbers are so high. Insurance companies certainly wouldn't want to be called out for challenging charges for CV-19 patients, it would be a PR nightmare and hospitals know it.

I am not sure what you mean by so high. They seem to be low considering what it was supposed to be. Aside from NYC.


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Here is an interesting question for those in the healthcare industry, or with family in the industry: Ask them to ask the people in the hospital in charge of billing if the hospital gets higher reimbursement for patients classified as CV-19, or if they at least find greater ease of billing for CV-19 patients as compared to non-CV19?

The answer could explain why the CV-19 numbers are so high. Insurance companies certainly wouldn't want to be called out for challenging charges for CV-19 patients, it would be a PR nightmare and hospitals know it.

N.Y. Got $12,000 Per Virus Case, by One Count. Nebraska Got $379,000.

WASHINGTON — Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo of New York has repeatedly complained that his state has been shortchanged by the $2 trillion economic stabilization package passed last month.

Among his grievances: States like Nebraska, Minnesota and Montana, he recently groused, are receiving far more money per coronavirus case than New York, which has been the epicenter of the pandemic with more than 200,000 confirmed cases and more than 10,000 deaths.

Cuomo cited one estimate that said Nebraska would get about $379,000 per case while New York would only get $12,000.

The specifics of his complaint are somewhat arcane — in this instance, his issue is rooted in the formula used by the Trump administration to dole out one small slice of the giant bill.

But his demands for New York to receive additional federal aid are a sign of the growing political pressure that Congress will face in the coming weeks as elected officials from states hit hard by the coronavirus stare down fiscal calamity and look to Washington for relief.

Already, the National Governors Association, for which Cuomo serves as vice chairman, is asking for an additional $500 billion for states and territories.

The New York and New Jersey delegations in the House have united to offer their own proposal: Congress should allocate at least $40 billion in additional federal aid for states, they say, and the money should be distributed based on each state’s share of the national total of coronavirus cases.

That would direct a large portion of the money to New York and New Jersey, the two states with the highest number of coronavirus cases in the nation.

In a letter to Sen. Mitch McConnell, the Republican majority leader, and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, a bipartisan group of 36 House members from the two states wrote that “federal aid has not been allocated proportionately to the impact of the virus.”

The Trump administration said the slice of money that Cuomo had complained about was meant to quickly help health care providers in states heavily affected by the pandemic as well as providers coping with financial losses as patients seeking routine care stayed away.

Still, local elected officials said triaging funding based on the severity of the outbreak would be a fair process.

“When everything’s said and done, our whole country is facing a crisis,” said Rep. Tom Suozzi, D-N.Y. “But there’s no denying that New York is the epicenter, and New Jersey is not far behind. And there needs to be a recognition that our state and our hospitals need some special help here.”

Suozzi, like many New Yorkers, has been personally affected by the virus: His 92-year-old father-in-law died Monday after becoming infected.

Rep. Josh Gottheimer, D-N.J., noted that his state was “obviously out of pocket a much greater sum of resources” than other states with fewer cases.

“Just like we would if we had a natural disaster,” he said, “it makes sense to take care of the states that have been hit hardest.”

Elected officials from New York and New Jersey — including Cuomo — have been particularly critical in recent days of a specific part of the $2 trillion economic stabilization package.

Last week, the Trump administration announced that it was distributing an initial $30 billion in payments to hospitals and other health care providers, which is part of $100 billion set aside in the bill for them.

The administration is providing the initial $30 billion in payments to health care providers based on their past Medicare revenues — not based on how many coronavirus patients they have treated. As a result, New York is receiving far less money per coronavirus case than other states, a disparity that Cuomo highlighted last weekend.

At his daily briefing in Albany on Sunday, Cuomo pointed to a report last week by Kaiser Health News that examined how much of the $30 billion in payments would go to each state.

The report estimated that New York would get about $12,000 per coronavirus case and New Jersey would get about $18,000, while West Virginia would receive about $471,000 per case and Minnesota would get about $380,000.

In a memo last week, Kenneth E. Raske, president of the Greater New York Hospital Association, wrote that the funding formula was “woefully insufficient to address the financial challenges facing hospitals at this time, especially those located in hot spot areas such as the New York City region.”

“It was as if everybody was treated the same, and of course under this crisis that we have, that is entirely not the case,” he said Tuesday. “We’ve been making the case that COVID dollars should follow COVID patients. How simple is that?”

Raske said he spoke last week with Jared Kushner, Trump’s son-in-law and a White House senior adviser, about hospital funding.

The New York House delegation objected to the funding formula in a letter to Alex M. Azar II, the secretary of health and human services, and Seema Verma, the administrator of the federal Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.

Lawmakers from other states, including the congressional delegations from New Jersey, Connecticut and Rhode Island, have made similar complaints.

Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y. and the Senate minority leader, took issue with the allocation method on Monday in a letter to Azar that was also signed by Sen. Patty Murray of Washington, the top Democrat on the Senate Health Committee, and Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon, the top Democrat on the Senate Finance Committee.

“While we appreciate the need to get funds out quickly, it is our strong view that the administration must allocate the remainder of the fund in a more targeted manner,” they wrote.

The Department of Health and Human Services said in a statement that the $30 billion in payments went to health care providers nationwide, including those in areas hit hard by the pandemic and those “who are struggling to keep their doors open as healthy patients delay care and cancel elective services.” The department said it would quickly distribute additional funding, including for providers in hard-hit areas.

The methodology used to allocate the $30 billion, the department said, “allowed us to make initial payments to providers as quickly as possible without requiring an individualized application process.”

“Our priority,” Verma said last week, “was on getting these dollars out as quickly as possible.”
 
I am not sure what you mean by so high. They seem to be low considering what it was supposed to be. Aside from NYC.


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I believe he's referring to how the existing numbers appear to be over-inflated (which they are) and is wondering the reason behind counting deaths that aren't conclusively related to the virus as COVID deaths. Follow the money.

"New York City today has reported 3,778 additional deaths that have occurred since March 11 and have been classified as "probable," defined as follows: “decedent [...] had no known positive laboratory test for SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) but the death certificate lists as a cause of death “COVID-19” or an equivalent" [source]. We will add these to the New York State total as soon as it is determined whether the historical distribution can be obtained"

Dr. Birx: Unlike Some Countries, "If Someone Dies With COVID-19 We Are Counting That As A COVID-19 Death"

: DR. DEBORAH BIRX: So, I think in this country we've taken a very liberal approach to mortality. And I think the reporting here has been pretty straightforward over the last five to six weeks. Prior to that when there wasn't testing in January and February that's a very different situation and unknown.

There are other countries that if you had a preexisting condition and let's say the virus caused you to go to the ICU and then have a heart or kidney problem some countries are recording as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death. Right now we are still recording it and we will I mean the great thing about having forms that come in and a form that has the ability to market as COVID-19 infection the intent is right now that those if someone dies with COVID-19 we are counting that as a COVID-19 death.

Also...

Regardless of the availability of testing at their disparate death investigation agencies, medical examiners and coroners across the country are guided by the National Vital Statistics System (NVSS) guidelines for death certification. A death certificate has two sections where the doctor who investigated the case will write the cause of death. Part I is the underlying disease or injury that starts the lethal sequence of events. Part II is for any other underlying conditions that the decedent had that made the death more likely.

The NVSS guidelines state, "If COVID-19 played a role in the death, this condition should be specified on the death certificate. In many cases, it is likely that it will be the underlying cause of death, as it can lead to various life-threatening conditions, such as pneumonia and acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS). In some cases, survival from COVID-19 can be complicated by pre-existing chronic conditions, especially those that result in diminished lung capacity, such as chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) or asthma. These medical conditions do not cause COVID-19, but can increase the risk of contracting a respiratory infection and death, so these conditions should be reported in Part II and not in Part I."

So, pathologists don't certify deaths as due to COVID-19 based solely on a positive nasopharyngeal swab. We get a clinical history of shortness of breath, chest pain, fever, cough. Yes, it is possible that someone could be an asymptomatic carrier and die of heart disease -- but in those cases we would certify the cause of death as heart disease and document the COVID-19 infection as a significant contributing condition, for several reasons.
 
What happened to the flu?

The CDC estimates between 24,000 – 62,000 influenza deaths in 2019-2020.

NOTE: The week of April 4 was the last week in-season influenza burden estimates will be provided for the 2019-2020 season.

So does that mean since April 4 no one has died from the flu?? Every flu like death is being categorized as a COVID death?


https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm
 
I believe he's referring to how the existing numbers appear to be over-inflated (which they are) and is wondering the reason behind counting deaths that aren't conclusively related to the virus as COVID deaths. Follow the money.

"New York City today has reported 3,778 additional deaths that have occurred since March 11 and have been classified as "probable," defined as follows: “decedent [...] had no known positive laboratory test for SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) but the death certificate lists as a cause of death “COVID-19” or an equivalent" [source]. We will add these to the New York State total as soon as it is determined whether the historical distribution can be obtained"

Dr. Birx: Unlike Some Countries, "If Someone Dies With COVID-19 We Are Counting That As A COVID-19 Death"



Also...

Well you know my thoughts on the death toll numbers. Just read quite a few more posts today directly from nurses in NYC saying they had cases that were not tested for Covid but were, obviously, not get classified as that. I would make a pretty big bet on the number being quite a bit higher in reality than what is reported assuming I had any money to bet. Both the the deaths and the cases number is low. In the IS the case number is much further off than the deaths but they are both off. Worldwide the numbers is drastically lower than it should be thanks to China and North Korea.

But yes I do absolutely agree with you that the overall mortality rate is also much lower. If we had actual infection numbers from China it would be nice.

https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/wuhan-deaths-03272020182846.html


Estimates Show Wuhan Death Toll Far Higher Than Official Figure


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What happened to the flu?

The CDC estimates between 24,000 – 62,000 influenza deaths in 2019-2020.

NOTE: The week of April 4 was the last week in-season influenza burden estimates will be provided for the 2019-2020 season.

So does that mean since April 4 no one has died from the flu?? Every flu like death is being categorized as a COVID death?


https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

What? Did you read it? From the article.


*Because influenza surveillance does not capture all cases of flu that occur in the U.S., CDC provides these estimated ranges to better reflect the larger burden of influenza. These estimates are calculated based on CDC’s weekly influenza surveillance data and are preliminary.

**Influenza testing across the United States may be higher than normal at this time of year because of the COVID-19 pandemic. These estimates may partly reflect increases in testing in recent weeks and may be adjusted downward once the season is complete and final data for the 2019/20 season are available.


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Just got yelled at at Wal Mart for entering through a door marked ENTER..but it was the exit door to keep everyone separated. Guess I should be locked up with the way I got yelled at and from all the looks of the other shoppers. Honest mistake- if they don’t want people entering a door marked ENTER, then take the sign down. This is getting beyond stupid.

Guessing they're limiting the entrances and exits so they can count the bodies in and bodies out, to limit the number of people in the store? Home Depot and all the grocery stores are doing that out here.
 
Guessing they're limiting the entrances and exits so they can count the bodies in and bodies out, to limit the number of people in the store? Home Depot and all the grocery stores are doing that out here.

Oh I know that they are. I made an honest mistake. It’s just funny to me how making one door just an Exit only and the other door RIGJT NEXT TO IT an Entrance only limits the spread of corona in the minds of the sheep. And the fact that I got yelled at like I chopped the head off of a baby or something. Honest mistake, yo!

Side note- I had to go back there just now. I used the other entrance further down. That one was clearly marked, BUT it had the entrance door blocked off by cones. People were going around the cones no problem. I give up...lol.
 
Americans can't follow instructions.
 
https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2020/04/Fact-Check-Some-Hospitals-Compensated-For-COVID-19-Patients-Under-Stimulus-But-NO-Evidence-NYC-Hospitals-Inflating-Coronavirus-Numbers.html

Fact Check: Some Hospitals Compensated For COVID-19 Patients Under Stimulus, But NO Evidence NYC Hospitals Inflating Coronavirus Numbers

Are hospitals compensated 15% more for COVID-19 patients under the stimulus package -- and, with that financial incentive, are New York City hospitals inflating their coronavirus numbers? No, this is misleading: According to the bill passed by Congress, some hospitals are receiving more money for COVID-19 patients. But there is no evidence that NYC hospitals have inflated their numbers of coronavirus patients or deaths to get more funds.

The answer to that question in bold is YES. (see sec. 4409 of the stimulus package)

So there is the incentive of a 15% higher reimbursement for coding patients as CV-19, which by virtue of human nature makes all of the numbers completely unreliably HIGH.
 
What would you do if you could increase your receivables by 15% by simply changing a code that no one could possibly have the time or ability to confirm? I would LOVE to increase my business' profits by 15% for a couple of months.
 
What would you do if you could increase your receivables by 15% by simply changing a code that no one could possibly have the time or ability to confirm? I would LOVE to increase my business' profits by 15% for a couple of months.

We know why New York reclassified 3,778 deaths. As I said, follow the money. Fact is that some %....maybe a LARGE % .... of those 3,778 deaths weren't due to CV19. But they get $12,000 per and that's a cool $45Million.
 
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*Because influenza surveillance does not capture all cases of flu that occur in the U.S., CDC provides these estimated ranges to better reflect the larger burden of influenza.

Now isn't that some weird ****? CDC estimates the ranges of flu infections.

But damnit while this fearmongering is going on, they won't estimate the ranges of CV19 infections.

Ain't that just convenient?
 
Now isn't that some weird ****? CDC estimates the ranges of flu infections.

But damnit while this fearmongering is going on, they won't estimate the ranges of CV19 infections.

Ain't that just convenient?

And if they did you would just question their estimates, rightfully so, with the lack of data available. They obviously estimate the flu because they have valid historical data to use to do so. We don't have that data for this as you so often point out. As this points out if they used their normal formula for estimates even for the flu they would be skewed because we are testing more for the flu than normal. This also means they can rule out the flu more than normal helping with other diagnosis.

I know you know this and are just being difficult now. You are way to smart to not figure this out yourself.
 
And if they did you would just question their estimates, rightfully so, with the lack of data available. They obviously estimate the flu because they have valid historical data to use to do so. We don't have that data for this as you so often point out. As this points out if they used their normal formula for estimates even for the flu they would be skewed because we are testing more for the flu than normal. This also means they can rule out the flu more than normal helping with other diagnosis.

I know you know this and are just being difficult now. You are way to smart to not figure this out yourself.

Nope. It's criminal to include none now Doctor.
 
BEAUTIFUL. Americans are pushing back, rightfully, against the Great Suppression

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“We’re here in defiance of Gavin Newsom and his socialist agenda to ruin our economy,” one of dozens anti-stay-at-home protestors in Huntington Beach today said. “We’re definitely not practicing social distancing, which is all right in my book.”

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I swear to God, everyone needs to watch this. The title doesn't do it justice calling this EPIC.

And do you think Americans are getting angry? Keep the shut down going....

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The CDC. Our entire country is on lockdown because we follow their guidance. They can't keep their labs clean.............

But Dr. Fauci said....

This from MSNBC, no less.

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Contamination at CDC lab delayed rollout of coronavirus tests

The failure by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to quickly produce a test kit for detecting the novel coronavirus was triggered by a glaring scientific breakdown at the CDC’s central laboratory complex in Atlanta, according to scientists with knowledge of the matter and a determination by federal regulators.

The CDC facilities that assembled the kits violated sound manufacturing practices, resulting in contamination of one of the three test components used in the highly sensitive detection process, the scientists said.

The cross contamination most likely occurred because chemical mixtures were assembled into the kits within a lab space that was also handling synthetic coronavirus material. The scientists also said the proximity deviated from accepted procedures and jeopardized testing for the virus.

The Washington Post separately confirmed that Food and Drug Administration officials concluded that the CDC violated its own laboratory standards in making the kits. The substandard practices exposed the kits to contamination.

The troubled segment of the test was not critical to detecting the novel coronavirus, experts said. But after the difficulty emerged, CDC officials took more than a month to remove the unnecessary step from the kits, exacerbating nationwide delays in testing, according to an examination of federal documents and interviews with more than 30 present and former federal scientists and others familiar with the events. Many of them spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to comment publicly.

This account confirms for the first time the contamination’s role in undermining the test and the CDC’s failure to meets its lab standards.

The development and rollout of the original kits are subjects of an investigation led by the Department of Health and Human Services, federal officials said.

The CDC — America’s premier institution for combating the spread of catastrophic disease — declined to make available for interviews those involved in the test design or manufacturing. A spokesman, Benjamin N. Haynes, provided a statement Friday that acknowledged substandard “quality control” in its manufacturing of the test kits.

Those efforts “were not sufficient in this circumstance,” the statement said. The agency also said it has “implemented enhanced quality control to address the issue.”

The CDC said the problems with the test kits might have resulted from “a design and/or manufacturing issue or possible contamination.”

Haynes also defended the CDC’s work, saying that earlier troubles were eventually ironed out.

“As of March 23, more than 90 state and local public health labs in 50 states, the District of Columbia, Guam, and Puerto Rico verified they are successfully using [the] diagnostic kits,” Haynes said in the statement.

Shortcomings with the tests were first noticed in late January, after the CDC sent an initial batch to 26 public health labs across the country. According to those with knowledge of what unfolded, false-positive reactions emerged at 24 of the 26 labs that first tried out the kits in advance of analyzing samples gathered from patients.

“Only two of them got it right,’’ said a senior federal scientist who reviewed the development of the kits and internal test documentation, and who concluded that the false positives were caused by contamination that occurred at the CDC.

The false positives arose during testing of “negative control’’ samples that contained highly purified water and no genetic material. That aspect of testing was essential to confirm that the test results were reliable and not because of contamination.

“The bottom line is, if you have a negative sample, and it’s coming up positive, the only way for that to happen is cross contamination. . . . There is no other explanation for it,’’ the scientist said.

Experts said the kits were contaminated before they were shipped out to the state health labs.

Stephen A. Morse, a retired senior CDC microbiologist, said the circumstances as reconstructed by The Post point to contamination as the cause of the false positives.

“With a negative control, there’s nothing there to be amplified unless there was some contamination present,’’ Morse said. “If your negative control is giving you a positive reaction, that’s indication of contamination.’’

The possibility of contamination in the CDC lab was raised by Axios in a story in early March. “The big question: It was not immediately clear if or how possible contamination in the Atlanta lab played a role in delays or problems with testing,” the story said.

The CDC’s delay in changing course after the test problems has hindered efforts to contain the novel coronavirus, which emerged in China in late 2019. It grew to a regional outbreak and, ultimately, a pandemic that has wrought widespread death and an unprecedented shuttering of the U.S. economy. As of Saturday, the virus has infected at least 723,493 Americans and killed at least 34,214.
 
The CDC. Our entire country is on lockdown because we follow their guidance. They can't keep their labs clean.............

But Dr. Fauci said....

This from MSNBC, no less.

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Contamination at CDC lab delayed rollout of coronavirus tests

The failure by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to quickly produce a test kit for detecting the novel coronavirus was triggered by a glaring scientific breakdown at the CDC’s central laboratory complex in Atlanta, according to scientists with knowledge of the matter and a determination by federal regulators.

The CDC facilities that assembled the kits violated sound manufacturing practices, resulting in contamination of one of the three test components used in the highly sensitive detection process, the scientists said.

The cross contamination most likely occurred because chemical mixtures were assembled into the kits within a lab space that was also handling synthetic coronavirus material. The scientists also said the proximity deviated from accepted procedures and jeopardized testing for the virus.

The Washington Post separately confirmed that Food and Drug Administration officials concluded that the CDC violated its own laboratory standards in making the kits. The substandard practices exposed the kits to contamination.

The troubled segment of the test was not critical to detecting the novel coronavirus, experts said. But after the difficulty emerged, CDC officials took more than a month to remove the unnecessary step from the kits, exacerbating nationwide delays in testing, according to an examination of federal documents and interviews with more than 30 present and former federal scientists and others familiar with the events. Many of them spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to comment publicly.

This account confirms for the first time the contamination’s role in undermining the test and the CDC’s failure to meets its lab standards.

The development and rollout of the original kits are subjects of an investigation led by the Department of Health and Human Services, federal officials said.

The CDC — America’s premier institution for combating the spread of catastrophic disease — declined to make available for interviews those involved in the test design or manufacturing. A spokesman, Benjamin N. Haynes, provided a statement Friday that acknowledged substandard “quality control” in its manufacturing of the test kits.

Those efforts “were not sufficient in this circumstance,” the statement said. The agency also said it has “implemented enhanced quality control to address the issue.”

The CDC said the problems with the test kits might have resulted from “a design and/or manufacturing issue or possible contamination.”

Haynes also defended the CDC’s work, saying that earlier troubles were eventually ironed out.

“As of March 23, more than 90 state and local public health labs in 50 states, the District of Columbia, Guam, and Puerto Rico verified they are successfully using [the] diagnostic kits,” Haynes said in the statement.

Shortcomings with the tests were first noticed in late January, after the CDC sent an initial batch to 26 public health labs across the country. According to those with knowledge of what unfolded, false-positive reactions emerged at 24 of the 26 labs that first tried out the kits in advance of analyzing samples gathered from patients.

“Only two of them got it right,’’ said a senior federal scientist who reviewed the development of the kits and internal test documentation, and who concluded that the false positives were caused by contamination that occurred at the CDC.

The false positives arose during testing of “negative control’’ samples that contained highly purified water and no genetic material. That aspect of testing was essential to confirm that the test results were reliable and not because of contamination.

“The bottom line is, if you have a negative sample, and it’s coming up positive, the only way for that to happen is cross contamination. . . . There is no other explanation for it,’’ the scientist said.

Experts said the kits were contaminated before they were shipped out to the state health labs.

Stephen A. Morse, a retired senior CDC microbiologist, said the circumstances as reconstructed by The Post point to contamination as the cause of the false positives.

“With a negative control, there’s nothing there to be amplified unless there was some contamination present,’’ Morse said. “If your negative control is giving you a positive reaction, that’s indication of contamination.’’

The possibility of contamination in the CDC lab was raised by Axios in a story in early March. “The big question: It was not immediately clear if or how possible contamination in the Atlanta lab played a role in delays or problems with testing,” the story said.

The CDC’s delay in changing course after the test problems has hindered efforts to contain the novel coronavirus, which emerged in China in late 2019. It grew to a regional outbreak and, ultimately, a pandemic that has wrought widespread death and an unprecedented shuttering of the U.S. economy. As of Saturday, the virus has infected at least 723,493 Americans and killed at least 34,214.

The CDC is third in line for a good *** kicking after China and their lapdog the WHO.
 
I swear to God, everyone needs to watch this. The title doesn't do it justice calling this EPIC.

And do you think Americans are getting angry? Keep the shut down going....

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Historic Rant – A Message to the Government

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That was great. He needs to disinfect his car.
 
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