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The Coronavirus thread

Looks like all of you need to drink some good ole' North Cackalacky moonshine. I guarantee it will kill the Rona.

oh hell yea....trouble is with settle in place, i can't make my usual run to the hills to see my supplier outside Boone. you think you can help a fellow Cackalacky-ite out and ship me a few mason jars. I'll send you up some eastern bbq.
 
oh hell yea....trouble is with settle in place, i can't make my usual run to the hills to see my supplier outside Boone. you think you can help a fellow Cackalacky-ite out and ship me a few mason jars. I'll send you up some eastern bbq.

There was this old man in Franklin County that my husband used to get a jar or two from, but he called it apple brandy, lol. If you lit that stuff it burned clear then blue. I'm guessing you could have run a car on a jar of that stuff. You only needed to take one or two shots at most. Anymore than that you would probably go outside and fight a tree.

If I had any right now I would send you some. That old man passed away a few years ago. I haven't really searched around for anyone else that sells the real stuff, though I know you can find it if you want to.
 
Just came back from the hardware store. I was grabbing some AC filters...yeah, not so much. Thought it was weird that the parking lot was almost full. Walked in and it was 20 deep at the register and 15 more people walked in behind me in the next few minutes. One person, other than myself, had a mask/gloves on...not even the workers. I left because I didn't want to stand in line for 20 minutes with a bunch of sick *****.

Flawda leads the world in I don't give a ****.
 
Fine I will concede. Those are factual statements. HOWEVER, you make those statements to infer this will be different and not as bad. And that is an unsubstantiated opinion. It is a hope of yours and nothing more despite the clear evidence that this is going to be worse. But g and accurate details emerge allowing us to closely estimate the number of infected not tested, we will never have a mortality rate. It wasn't a fact then, it isn't a fact now. It was a mathematical error then and still is. 2 + 2 = 4 is factual. If I say 2 + 2 = 9 because "theories" at the time supported it, then later say it's really 4 but it was a fact then...I'm wrong. I disagree, it is just as much a fact as saying all 22 million people lost their jobs. The death rate of known cases verse known deaths is a verifiable number and a fact. Period. It is a misleading fact just like the unemployment numbers are. A good percentage of those on unemployment are actually making more than they were. A good percentage of those on unemployment still have benefits being provided at no cost by their employers. Many of those on unemployment will gain financially. Many will not, some of those will break even, and yes some will be hurt. You don't have the information nor do I to know the extent of all these variables. Therefore you're making an assumption based on raw data without all the underlying variables.



None of which changes the situation that 22 million are currently unemployed. There's nothing at all misleading about it. Telling you the unemployment rate today is no different than me quoting it on June 17, 2016. Each measure will include long term and short term unemployed due to any million number of mitigating factors in a market at a point in time. In 2017 or 2014 or 1996 we didn't know at any moment in time what # of jobs are permanently lost. The unemployment rate IS the unemployment rate and the absolute numbers by themselves are an incredibly strong indicator of where we are.

You can't dismiss the severity of TWENTY TWO MILLION (because you support the shut down).Yes I can and you can not prove any different. Period. It has nothing to do with supporting or not supporting the shut down, that is an irrelevant point. Who are you to tell me what I can or can't believe. You can in no way prove to me or anyone exactly what the outcome of those numbers will be. If they go back to work in two weeks the impact will be far less than if we stay shut down 2 more month's correct? You also can not show me a single fact that proves conclusively how and when those people will or won't get their jobs back. Many companies left insurance and other benefits in place for these short term furloughs, how many? We don't know. You are failing to account for a spectacularly long list of unknown variables in this circumstance. Your gloom and doom projections fall woefully short on accounting for a lot things to the point they are still not better than a guess. You claim all these facts but you ignore many facts that are not convenient to your suppositions. So while you may in fact be correct you don't have any real evidence to prove that than I do to prove the opposite.



I'm sorry, they just are not comparable debates. One is a known right now. 22 million unemployed. Being impacted NOW. Not waiting on some result. Today they are not being paid. Today they don't have or soon won't have health insurance. Today they may not be able to get healthcare. Today their mortgage isn't getting paid. They are being impacted NOW. And this unemployment number is rising.see above



No one is arguing about the long term impact on the economy. We are, as I said, in the here and now and lives are being impacted NOW. And facts show when this many are unemployed, and this many businesses shut down and the Fed messes with money and interest rates as they do in times like these, the impact will be long. True we don't know what the impact will be. But to argue "it's different" and won't be that bad because we just don't know is selling fools gold. It's wishing. When data shows...it's gonna be bad. We just don't know how bad yet.
No it is no different than what you are doing none.


I am not arguing that it will or won't do anything for sure, my argument is more that your data is not taking into account enough known but unquantified as of yet variables as to make anything more than a guess no different than me. You are absolutely entitled to your opinion and are also entitled to disagree with mine but don't do so under any false pretenses that you truly know or have taken into account a lot of things that are happening in the here and now.
 
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BTW, go back. Tim claimed the demand for meat was up 30%.

I didn't claim this. I "quoted" it. It's from a validated source. Not an "estimate" on my part.

In your simpleton view, if demand for meat is up, that means the meat industry is just fine and no plants could possibly be closing.

You ignore the "supply" part of the equation. And the rest of the data points involving supply and demand and regulations and impacts from things like - oh - a worldwide shutdown.

This has been too easy....

Supe: "meat processing plants will close"....

Goofylodtye: "but what is your point about the meat processing plants closing and what does that have to do with the economic shutdown?"

As we've shown you, meat processing plants closing has quite literally nearly everything to do with the economic shutdown.

Meat processing plants are closing due to covid-19 outbreaks. Beef shortfalls may follow. - The Liberal Washington Post

  • But Tim said demand for meat was up 30%! - Before the coronavirus hit, about 660,000 beef cattle were being processed each week at plants across the United States, according to John Bormann, program sales manager for JBS, the American subsidiary of the world’s largest processor of fresh beef and pork. This week there probably will be around 500,000 head processed at U.S. plants still in operation. That’s 25 percent less beef being produced.

Supply is going down....

  • Two of the seven largest U.S. facilities — those with the capacity to process 5,000 beef cattle daily — are closed because of the pandemic.
  • Absenteeism, fewer employees and spreading out those remaining employees to maintain social distance are all also contributing to the slow down.
  • The first problem is we don’t have enough people to process the animals, and number two is they can’t do carcass balance because restaurants are down,
  • Restaurants typically use the expensive stuff — strips, ribs, tenderloins and sirloin, Bormann said, while retail takes the chucks and rounds and trims. With restaurants mostly shuttered, “all of a sudden 23 percent of the animal isn’t being bought because food service is gone,
  • Industry experts said that the shutdown of beef processing facilities could prompt another round of hoarding at the grocery stores

Please...continue arguing that meat processing plants closing has nothing to do with the economic shut down.

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From the article:

“The most important implication of these findings is that the number of infections is much greater than the reported number of cases,” the researchers wrote, in a yet-to-be peer-reviewed study....Overall we’re probably diagnosing 1 in 10 to 1 in 20 infections.”

Translation: The mortality rate is nowhere near what was predicted. It' far, far less lethal than we've been led to believe.
 
'Burgh news reporting that former Steelers QB Terry Hanratty had corona virus but is recovering.
For the youngsters, he was the QB named Terry before Terry Bradshaw got here.
 
'Burgh news reporting that former Steelers QB Terry Hanratty had corona virus but is recovering.
For the youngsters, he was the QB named Terry before Terry Bradshaw got here.

That is, if the youngsters even know Bradshaw.
 
There was this old man in Franklin County that my husband used to get a jar or two from, but he called it apple brandy, lol. If you lit that stuff it burned clear then blue. I'm guessing you could have run a car on a jar of that stuff. You only needed to take one or two shots at most. Anymore than that you would probably go outside and fight a tree.

If I had any right now I would send you some. That old man passed away a few years ago. I haven't really searched around for anyone else that sells the real stuff, though I know you can find it if you want to.

oh i have had a a few tipples of "apple brandy". in fact, my lawnmower won't start right now, but i bet if i gave a few drops of said honey juice, it would run for a year. BOL. and, yes, i can find some anytime.

The correct answer would be eastern.

winner.winner.pulled pork dinner.
 
I think when we open here in Oregon I'm going to continue to wear my masks until I think it'll be safe to not wear them.


OK, serious question here, because the "facts" seem to change on almost a daily basis.

Does a mask actually protect the wearer now? I assumed it only protected others in case you were infected.
 
Anyone see anything wrong here? Here is the graph showing cases diagnosed for CV19:

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Notice the typical bell curve pattern and what appears to be the topping off and potential decline of new cases.

Now look at deaths.

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Now compare to Italy's deaths:

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No data manipulation going on here right? A 4,650 increase in deaths in one day. Then the next day, a drop of 3,567 deaths. That chart should be following the bell curve as well, but...

Death stats are being over inflated. Is this spike due to NY increasing deaths by 3,700 for patients that didn't test positive for CV19? Or are they pumping every other death into the column.

If this isn't evidence that we are being toyed with on these stats, I don't know what is.
 
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Thank God

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Trump demands states ‘LIBERATE’ after he issues new coronavirus guidelines and protests pop up

President Donald Trump on Friday urged Michigan, Minnesota and Virginia to “LIBERATE,” compounding the pressure on state leaders to start loosening their strict social distancing measures amid the coronavirus pandemic.

The president’s exhortations on Twitter came a day after the White House issued new federal guidelines on “reopening” the economy, providing states and regions with a broad pathway toward easing their restrictions on businesses and individual residents.

The tweets — which marked Trump’s most aggressive calls yet for state economies to reopen — also echoed an increasing number of protests around the country, led mainly by his supporters, demanding governors change their social distancing rules. The three states Trump targeted have Democratic governors.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="es" dir="ltr">LIBERATE MICHIGAN!</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1251169217531056130?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 17, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">LIBERATE VIRGINIA, and save your great 2nd Amendment. It is under siege!</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1251169987110330372?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 17, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="es" dir="ltr">LIBERATE MINNESOTA!</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1251168994066944003?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 17, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

“I think elements of what they’ve done are too much,” Trump said of those states when asked about his tweets at a White House press briefing Friday night.

Trump also said he was not concerned that the large gatherings of protesters could spread the disease to others.

“No, these are people expressing their views. I see who they are and I see the way they are working,” Trump said. “They seem to be very responsible people to me. They’ve been treated, a little bit rough.”

Some health experts disagreed. “Gathering unprotected can only result in increased numbers of [Covid-19] infections and stressing the health-care system even more,” said Karen Hoffmann, the immediate past president of the Association for Professionals in Infection Control and Epidemiology, in an interview with CNBC.

A group calling itself “Liberate Minnesota” staged a protest Friday afternoon outside the residence of the state’s governor, Tim Walz.

Live-streamed video of the protest showed throngs of people packed closely outside the residence, many waving pro-Trump signs and flags. Few participants appeared to be wearing masks or other protective gear.

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Then CNBC goes off calling this stupid, of course.
 
Anyone see anything wrong here? Here is the graph showing cases diagnosed for CV19:

94030756_10219795781097495_4793419631047999488_n.jpg


Notice the typical bell curve pattern and what appears to be the topping off and potential decline of new cases.

Now look at deaths.

93806150_10219795781177497_1013422551675699200_n.jpg


Now compare to Italy's deaths:

93661475_10219795820858489_3681994124770148352_n.jpg


No data manipulation going on here right? A 4,650 increase in deaths in one day. Then the next day, a drop of 3,567 deaths. That chart should be following the bell curve as well, but...

Death stats are being over inflated. Is this spike due to NY increasing deaths by 3,700 for patients that didn't test positive for CV19? Or are they pumping every other death into the column.

If this isn't evidence that we are being toyed with on these stats, I don't know what is.

No if you read the daily notes it was clearly explained. It was from NYC and cases that had yet to be classified lacking test results and they did not have the date stamp for the correct date of death. They attributed what they could but then had to put the rest somewhere. Not a conspiracy as it was fully noted. And yes I caught it as well and was suspicious until I found the actually documented it. So it is a statistical aberration.


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No if you read the daily notes it was clearly explained. It was from NYC and cases that had yet to be classified lacking test results and they did not have the date stamp for the correct date of death. They attributed what they could but then had to put the rest somewhere. Not a conspiracy as it was fully noted. And yes I caught it as well and was suspicious until I found the actually documented it. So it is a statistical aberration.


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OK, but admitting they skewed the statistics doesn't make it right. Just sayin'
 
OK, but admitting they skewed the statistics doesn't make it right. Just sayin'

China just added deaths to their count as well. They skewing things too?

******* WHO!!! Everything’s a conspiracy, nothing is as it seems!
 
Thank God

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Trump demands states ‘LIBERATE’ after he issues new coronavirus guidelines and protests pop up

President Donald Trump on Friday urged Michigan, Minnesota and Virginia to “LIBERATE,” compounding the pressure on state leaders to start loosening their strict social distancing measures amid the coronavirus pandemic.

The president’s exhortations on Twitter came a day after the White House issued new federal guidelines on “reopening” the economy, providing states and regions with a broad pathway toward easing their restrictions on businesses and individual residents.

The tweets — which marked Trump’s most aggressive calls yet for state economies to reopen — also echoed an increasing number of protests around the country, led mainly by his supporters, demanding governors change their social distancing rules. The three states Trump targeted have Democratic governors.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="es" dir="ltr">LIBERATE MICHIGAN!</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1251169217531056130?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 17, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">LIBERATE VIRGINIA, and save your great 2nd Amendment. It is under siege!</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1251169987110330372?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 17, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="es" dir="ltr">LIBERATE MINNESOTA!</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1251168994066944003?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 17, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

“I think elements of what they’ve done are too much,” Trump said of those states when asked about his tweets at a White House press briefing Friday night.

Trump also said he was not concerned that the large gatherings of protesters could spread the disease to others.

“No, these are people expressing their views. I see who they are and I see the way they are working,” Trump said. “They seem to be very responsible people to me. They’ve been treated, a little bit rough.”

Some health experts disagreed. “Gathering unprotected can only result in increased numbers of [Covid-19] infections and stressing the health-care system even more,” said Karen Hoffmann, the immediate past president of the Association for Professionals in Infection Control and Epidemiology, in an interview with CNBC.

A group calling itself “Liberate Minnesota” staged a protest Friday afternoon outside the residence of the state’s governor, Tim Walz.

Live-streamed video of the protest showed throngs of people packed closely outside the residence, many waving pro-Trump signs and flags. Few participants appeared to be wearing masks or other protective gear.

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Then CNBC goes off calling this stupid, of course.

You know- if they wore hooded masks and carried bike locks on chains and called themselves antifa and busted a few skulls while chanting F Trump; these protests would be called heroic by the media.
 
So we have May 1 looming for states to allow themselves to open up. Around the same time the Durham Report and Barr indictments are due to be out. There's going to be some big names to be formally indicted. I expect to hear more about the possible 'up curve' than what we will hear about The Durham/Barr Indictments. Call it a hunch

 
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