Because the problem isn't just the returner. We could have Hester back there and probably get the same results. THERE IS NO BLOCKING
Steelers select Dri Archer in Round 3
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I'm sure that's what you'd like to think. What is the percentage of 3rd's who make it?
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No, I've actually argued against that but aren't you the one saying that the Archer pick wasn't that big of a deal since he was a late 3rd rounder? I'm sure you'd like to have it both ways though.
This thread should be retitled.... Rasputin.
Was sad to see Archer go. Never was used properly. Trying to make him a jack of all trades was his downfall.
I think I want more than a few days preparation to declare Jones sucking more than Archer.
In the event he does suck more down the road I still don't want Archer back.
That would be equivalent to the dog ******** in the house twice
and for some reason bringing one pile of **** back in.
Regardless it would still stink up the place.
In the event he does suck more down the road I still don't want Archer back.
That would be equivalent to the dog ******** in the house twice
and for some reason bringing one pile of **** back in.
Regardless it would still stink up the place.
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I'll argue it was no big deal. Late 3rd round picks don't pan out all the time, it happens to every team. What's the big deal?
Don't bring up the blocking as being a problem on KR. Some people's heads may explode...
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Using that logic no draft pick past the 2nd round should be evaluated then right? Brown wasn't a good draft pick in the 6th because they just got lucky. Can't have it both ways. Tombert only gets credit for 1st and 2nd rounds. No round pans out all the time right?
Now the truth is that drafting a short, small, KR that has no position in the NFL is stupid when you could pick another position that might help somewhere else. Yes, they could suck as well but the odds are better. Which is what drafting is about. You don't draft a punter in the 1st round. You don't draft a LS in the 1st round. Why not? Don't all rounds have misses? But truth is you play the odds. The odds of a small, short KR with no NFL position validating the pick is way more unlikely than another position.
I still think having a player just as a ko returner is a waste... Though at least jones has some ability on offense and coverage units.. Not that we'd use him there....
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Yes, Brown was a lucky pick. The Steelers (and every other NFL team) severely under-valued him. None of them knew what the **** they were doing.
Had Archer turned out to be another Hester, I don't think anyone would say it was a stupid pick. LS and punters don't score points, and again, we're talking about a 3rd round pick, not a 1st round pick. But I'll play... What about drafting Faneca in the 1st round? Sure, he was really good, but he was an OG. Some people argue you don't use a 1st round pick on an OG. What about Decastro?
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A very,very late third round comp pick.
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You aren't playing very well if you are using Faneca and DeCastro to make your point. DeCastro was expected to be drafted higher and fell to the Steelers. Faneca was drafted 26th overall and that was when there was only 30 teams. Also LTs don't score points either but they are often drafted high.
Again taking a small, short KR with no position makes no sense. Trying to cloud the issue won't help. You don't take players that can't start at any position and draft them in the 3rd round when there are better odds. It's about odds. The odds of Archer being another Hester is astronomical. So astronomical it has never been done before. But yea, let's compare Archer's position (KR) to a starting OG....
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That's my point, who cares where a player is expected to be drafted or generally valued. It's anything but a perfect science. By your logic, the Steelers would have been stupid to draft Brown in the 3rd round. What the hell were the 49ers thinking using a 1st round pick on a WR out of Mississippi Valley State? I'm sure 49ers fans questioned that!
You were comparing punters and LS in the 1st round to a RS in the late 3rd round and I'm the one trying to cloud the issue?
I was comparing taking a RS in the late 3rd round to taking an OG in the 1st based on value and opportunity cost. I think it's a valid comparison.
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You aren't following me very well at all. You are either so busy trying to make your point you can't see mine or you are being obtuse on purpose. Which is why I guess you dropped the "They don't score" part to your argument.
I'll be as clear as I can be. A pure KR with NO other position who is small and short should NEVER be picked in the 3rd round. Can you understand that? You can keep trying to turn the issue into WRs vs. OGs. But that isn't the issues and you know it. OGs are taken in the first round. You're just trying to cloud the issue. DeCastro and Faneca weren't reaches because of their position or lack thereof. That's just bullshit. Archer was a huge reach and me along with several others said so at the time. It's about the odds. Drafting a KR that plays WR and weighs more than a 12 year old gives him more value. A pure KR has no value in today's NFL. Really not hard to understand.
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Why? We couldn't find a use for him....if NE can so be it.
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I think the main reason people try to defend Archer is because there are some on here that will nick pick every Tomlin failure there is. Even though every HC most likely has had some sort of similar failure at one point in time if they have had an extended coaching tenure.
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I didn't drop anything. Punters and LS don't score. You tried comparing them to RS as if they have the same value. They don't. You tried comparing drafting a punter or LS in the 1st round to drafting a RS in the late 3rd, THAT is being obtuse on purpose.
You can't argue value of a specialist in the late 3rd round, and also argue for value of the least valued non-specialist position in the 1st round. I didn't say Faneca or DeCastro were reaches, but they were devalued and passed over because of their position.
Archer had elite speed and big play ability. NEVER didn't apply to him anymore than it did to Trindon Holliday or Noland Smith or Stefan Logan. There are no huge reaches that far into the draft, only differences of opinion.
The point is, this team at the time of the pick had a chronic issue with talent at CB and Safety, was still looking for DL depth, Could have used a depth WR and another depth RB, and another OLB. Heck we even could have been looking TE or Oline at that point... there wasn't enough depth to go pure luxury pick on a one dimensional guy, though it was obvious they thought he was multidimensional when they took him....
He could still turn out as something, but the place he was taken with what was up on the board and what the team needed made it a really really bad strategic pick even if he had turned out ok...
He could still turn out as something, but the place he was taken with what was up on the board and what the team needed made it a really really bad strategic pick even if he had turned out ok...
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He's as retarded as he is worthless on an NFL field.
How is his decision to turn down practice squad offers affecting you in any way to the point for you to feel the need to call him retarded??
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This is what happened in my opinion. They drafted him to be a Sproles or Danny Woodhead like RB with some return ability. He hasn't had any big returns and we can argue until we are blue in the face if it's his fault or the blocking but the facts are he has not had a huge TD return. Then on offense he never really got much of a chance since well we have Leveon Bell and really don't need any one else to come in since Bell is a true three down back. My one and only real problem is with Bell hurt why not give Archer a shot. I mean give him 1-2 games with a few snaps at WR and a few at RB and a few of him coming out of the backfield and see what he could do. Instead they sign a second round wash up in Pead... Maybe Archer would have failed but at least I would be able to see he got a fair shake.
Personally, I hope the best for the kid and I think another team might be able to use him more wisely. And before saying he sucks and no one will ever use him remember Ross Cockrell the guy picked 12 spots after Archer was released and we picked him up of the scrap heap to make him maybe our best CB.
Personally, I hope the best for the kid and I think another team might be able to use him more wisely. And before saying he sucks and no one will ever use him remember Ross Cockrell the guy picked 12 spots after Archer was released and we picked him up of the scrap heap to make him maybe our best CB.
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Sorry you're just wrong. Talk about obtuse, you saying that DeCastro or Faneca dropped because of position when you don't know that at all. You're just moving the needle. You have no idea why they fell. Archer was small, injury prone, short and should never have been drafted. Taking a KR with those issues is just stupid.
Also you deciding that there are no huge reaches in the 3rd round is only an opinion and has no bases in fact.
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