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[stillwright]

My point about the defense wasn't that they were trash, but they weren't good enough to carry a team even if we had an old QB .
Why would they draft anyone pre 1996 draft? The organization thought Neil was good enough with that D and running game.
Brad Johnson? Jeff George? Elvis Grbac? Really, those guys aren't any better than Neil was. I don't consider guys drafted real late misses, every team passed on them multiple times.
Fans and so called experts thought Kordell was the new type QB after the 1997 season

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I don't know...Everyone loved the Slash days. Even his first year as a starter. After that it soon went south. And I don't know anyone who liked when we handed him his second contract especially for the amount that it was for. or maybe I just remember it all wrong. It has been a few years.

 

[Coryea]

I don't know...Everyone loved the Slash days. Even his first year as a starter. After that it soon went south. And I don't know anyone who liked when we handed him his second contract especially for the amount that it was for. or maybe I just remember it all wrong. It has been a few years.

I agree, I'm talking after he started in 1997, ESPN was having him in commercials, talking heads though he was the new breed of QB's. The majority of the fans thought we had something special after 1997. We started 98 7-4 and just beat the defending Super Bowl champs, Green Bay, at Green Bay i think, then the Thanksgiving day game debacle.
My point is there was no reason to try to get a top notch QB until after the 1999 season, that's when he really fell apart and we knew he wasn't going to cut it

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[insaniti]

My point about the defense wasn't that they were trash, but they weren't good enough to carry a team even if we had an old QB .
Why would they draft anyone pre 1996 draft? The organization thought Neil was good enough with that D and running game.
Brad Johnson? Jeff George? Elvis Grbac? Really, those guys aren't any better than Neil was. I don't consider guys drafted real late misses, every team passed on them multiple times.
Fans and so called experts thought Kordell was the new type QB after the 1997 season

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I agree, I'm talking after he started in 1997, ESPN was having him in commercials, talking heads though he was the new breed of QB's. The majority of the fans thought we had something special after 1997. We started 98 7-4 and just beat the defending Super Bowl champs, Green Bay, at Green Bay i think, then the Thanksgiving day game debacle.
My point is there was no reason to try to get a top notch QB until after the 1999 season, that's when he really fell apart and we knew he wasn't going to cut it

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Those late round picks, were back ups that got a chance and made the best of them. They were better than anything we had behind Neil. But he left after the 95 season. And what did you notice about my first post? We didn't draft a QB for FIVE YEARS. There was no attempt to make the back-up situation better, even when Kordell was showing that he was not the man, still nothing until 2000. And we went into that 2000 season with ONLY Kordell and Graham on the active roster, Tee Martin was on the practice squad. It didn't matter what the talking heads thought.

And again, we didn't need a top tier QB, but having Kordell and LITERALLY NO ONE behind him was an embarassment to Cowher, the FO, the scouting dept, the entire organization.

The perfect example of that was the fact that we kept shuffling back-up QB's behind Ben, despite knowing that Ben was the man and COULD get it done. We went after Batch, then Leftwhich, and continued to draft guys to try and develop like Dennis Dixon, Landry Jones, and now Josh Dobbs. Cowher and his staff made NO effort until it was too late. It doesn't matter if they thought that Kordell was the new breed or not. Having no one behind him at all, no one that could step in and not lose a game for us.

 

[Coryea]

Those late round picks, were back ups that got a chance and made the best of them. They were better than anything we had behind Neil. But he left after the 95 season. And what did you notice about my first post? We didn't draft a QB for FIVE YEARS. There was no attempt to make the back-up situation better, even when Kordell was showing that he was not the man, still nothing until 2000. And we went into that 2000 season with ONLY Kordell and Graham on the active roster, Tee Martin was on the practice squad. It didn't matter what the talking heads thought.

And again, we didn't need a top tier QB, but having Kordell and LITERALLY NO ONE behind him was an embarassment to Cowher, the FO, the scouting dept, the entire organization.

The perfect example of that was the fact that we kept shuffling back-up QB's behind Ben, despite knowing that Ben was the man and COULD get it done. We went after Batch, then Leftwhich, and continued to draft guys to try and develop like Dennis Dixon, Landry Jones, and now Josh Dobbs. Cowher and his staff made NO effort until it was too late. It doesn't matter if they thought that Kordell was the new breed or not. Having no one behind him at all, no one that could step in and not lose a game for us.

I believe Cowher was here when we went after Batch. We had Tomczak who had a 10-5 record in 1996 and helped us make the playoffs, we tried Kent Graham, Tommy Maddox led us to the playoffs and a playoff win, do you think any QB we've had behind Ben since Tomlin has been here could start an entire season and get us to the playoffs?

Hell Cowher had 5 different QBs be s the starter for the season and make the playoffs, won playoff games with 4 different QBs.



Why are we complaining about backups?

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[insaniti]

You're spinning this completely away from the topic at hand. This isn't about Tomlin and his QB situation, because everyone knows that Tomlin has had a franchise QB his entire coaching career. It's one thing people rip on him about. This started because of comparisons between Cowher and Tomlin. People rip on Tomlin because of him ignoring the secondary for so long (something Cowher did for a long time as well, but people forget), and praise Cowher, even tho he ignored the QB position for so long.

And why are we talking about back-ups? Because it matters, it matters when you don't have a true starting caliber QB in place. And when you make no effort to address this until the owner basically forces you to, it really say something.

Again, go thru the Steelers seasons with Cowher as coach. That 1996 season you're praising, was the last time our QB situation was actually decent under Cowher until Ben showed up. You say we tried Kent Graham, but everyone knew that he had nothing left, hell he barely had anything to begin with. But that's who Cowher brought in to compete with Kordell for the starting job... and he won it. That's how BAD the QB position was. And how little Cowher cared about the position. He wanted Defense and running games to dominate his team and felt that he could win games with below average QB play. And it worked, until the playoffs, when we weren't facing weaker opponents. We needed a QB that could make a throw late in the game when we needed it, and we didn't have one.

You mention Graham, and then Maddox, Graham was so bad he lasted one year, he was released at the end of his only season. He completed 44% of his passes, and only averaged 5.9 ypa. Yet he was annointed as the starter in the 2000 season. Think about that...That is beyond horrible, that is so bad Cleveland wouldn't even have started him. Maddox didn't start until his second year with the team, he wasn't special, but he could make a throw if we needed it. He is what we needed after Neil left. And that is exactly my point. Cowher began coaching in 1992, Neil left after the 95 season. Maddox didnt join the team until 2001. QB play really suffered after the 97 season. And we went 7-9, 6-10, and 9-7. Cowher was a great defensive coach, but he had issues with special teams (really the reason we lost against the Pats in 2002, as the defense didn't allow Kordells 3 ints to turn into much of anything, a few field goals is all), he never really addressed the QB position, bringing in retreads of retreads and trotting out Kordell and trying to turn him into a pocket passer.

He had as many let downs as Tomlin has had, yet Tomlin gets ripped apart, and Cowher gets praised today. Neither of them were/are perfect, but they are pretty damn good coaches. But but but Cowher spit on players, he was better...Let me know when the Steelers trot a team that other teams circle on the schedule and mark it down as a guaranteed win. Then we can start talking about how bad the coaching is. We are consistently competitive year in and year out. We went through a rebuilding stage, and still were in it until the final weeks of the seasons, and last year we made it to the AFCCG with a D that was still missing a few pieces. This year the D looks 100% better, and the offense is starting to round into form.

We are yet again on top of the division, and currently sit on top of the AFC, yet people are still bitching about Tomlin like we're on a 4 game losing streak and the season is over... Trying to compare Cowher and Tomlin, and forgetting all the things that were bitched about when Cowher was still the coach.

 

[antdrewjosh]

You're spinning this completely away from the topic at hand. This isn't about Tomlin and his QB situation, because everyone knows that Tomlin has had a franchise QB his entire coaching career. It's one thing people rip on him about. This started because of comparisons between Cowher and Tomlin. People rip on Tomlin because of him ignoring the secondary for so long (something Cowher did for a long time as well, but people forget), and praise Cowher, even tho he ignored the QB position for so long.

And why are we talking about back-ups? Because it matters, it matters when you don't have a true starting caliber QB in place. And when you make no effort to address this until the owner basically forces you to, it really say something.

Again, go thru the Steelers seasons with Cowher as coach. That 1996 season you're praising, was the last time our QB situation was actually decent under Cowher until Ben showed up. You say we tried Kent Graham, but everyone knew that he had nothing left, hell he barely had anything to begin with. But that's who Cowher brought in to compete with Kordell for the starting job... and he won it. That's how BAD the QB position was. And how little Cowher cared about the position. He wanted Defense and running games to dominate his team and felt that he could win games with below average QB play. And it worked, until the playoffs, when we weren't facing weaker opponents. We needed a QB that could make a throw late in the game when we needed it, and we didn't have one.

You mention Graham, and then Maddox, Graham was so bad he lasted one year, he was released at the end of his only season. He completed 44% of his passes, and only averaged 5.9 ypa. Yet he was annointed as the starter in the 2000 season. Think about that...That is beyond horrible, that is so bad Cleveland wouldn't even have started him. Maddox didn't start until his second year with the team, he wasn't special, but he could make a throw if we needed it. He is what we needed after Neil left. And that is exactly my point. Cowher began coaching in 1992, Neil left after the 95 season. Maddox didnt join the team until 2001. QB play really suffered after the 97 season. And we went 7-9, 6-10, and 9-7. Cowher was a great defensive coach, but he had issues with special teams (really the reason we lost against the Pats in 2002, as the defense didn't allow Kordells 3 ints to turn into much of anything, a few field goals is all), he never really addressed the QB position, bringing in retreads of retreads and trotting out Kordell and trying to turn him into a pocket passer.

He had as many let downs as Tomlin has had, yet Tomlin gets ripped apart, and Cowher gets praised today. Neither of them were/are perfect, but they are pretty damn good coaches. But but but Cowher spit on players, he was better...Let me know when the Steelers trot a team that other teams circle on the schedule and mark it down as a guaranteed win. Then we can start talking about how bad the coaching is. We are consistently competitive year in and year out. We went through a rebuilding stage, and still were in it until the final weeks of the seasons, and last year we made it to the AFCCG with a D that was still missing a few pieces. This year the D looks 100% better, and the offense is starting to round into form.

We are yet again on top of the division, and currently sit on top of the AFC, yet people are still bitching about Tomlin like we're on a 4 game losing streak and the season is over... Trying to compare Cowher and Tomlin, and forgetting all the things that were bitched about when Cowher was still the coach.

I owe you dinner man lol

 

[steelermania]

You're spinning this completely away from the topic at hand. This isn't about Tomlin and his QB situation, because everyone knows that Tomlin has had a franchise QB his entire coaching career. It's one thing people rip on him about. This started because of comparisons between Cowher and Tomlin. People rip on Tomlin because of him ignoring the secondary for so long (something Cowher did for a long time as well, but people forget), and praise Cowher, even tho he ignored the QB position for so long.

And why are we talking about back-ups? Because it matters, it matters when you don't have a true starting caliber QB in place. And when you make no effort to address this until the owner basically forces you to, it really say something.

Again, go thru the Steelers seasons with Cowher as coach. That 1996 season you're praising, was the last time our QB situation was actually decent under Cowher until Ben showed up. You say we tried Kent Graham, but everyone knew that he had nothing left, hell he barely had anything to begin with. But that's who Cowher brought in to compete with Kordell for the starting job... and he won it. That's how BAD the QB position was. And how little Cowher cared about the position. He wanted Defense and running games to dominate his team and felt that he could win games with below average QB play. And it worked, until the playoffs, when we weren't facing weaker opponents. We needed a QB that could make a throw late in the game when we needed it, and we didn't have one.

You mention Graham, and then Maddox, Graham was so bad he lasted one year, he was released at the end of his only season. He completed 44% of his passes, and only averaged 5.9 ypa. Yet he was annointed as the starter in the 2000 season. Think about that...That is beyond horrible, that is so bad Cleveland wouldn't even have started him. Maddox didn't start until his second year with the team, he wasn't special, but he could make a throw if we needed it. He is what we needed after Neil left. And that is exactly my point. Cowher began coaching in 1992, Neil left after the 95 season. Maddox didnt join the team until 2001. QB play really suffered after the 97 season. And we went 7-9, 6-10, and 9-7. Cowher was a great defensive coach, but he had issues with special teams (really the reason we lost against the Pats in 2002, as the defense didn't allow Kordells 3 ints to turn into much of anything, a few field goals is all), he never really addressed the QB position, bringing in retreads of retreads and trotting out Kordell and trying to turn him into a pocket passer.

He had as many let downs as Tomlin has had, yet Tomlin gets ripped apart, and Cowher gets praised today. Neither of them were/are perfect, but they are pretty damn good coaches. But but but Cowher spit on players, he was better...Let me know when the Steelers trot a team that other teams circle on the schedule and mark it down as a guaranteed win. Then we can start talking about how bad the coaching is. We are consistently competitive year in and year out. We went through a rebuilding stage, and still were in it until the final weeks of the seasons, and last year we made it to the AFCCG with a D that was still missing a few pieces. This year the D looks 100% better, and the offense is starting to round into form.

We are yet again on top of the division, and currently sit on top of the AFC, yet people are still bitching about Tomlin like we're on a 4 game losing streak and the season is over... Trying to compare Cowher and Tomlin, and forgetting all the things that were bitched about when Cowher was still the coach.

You nailed it. I remember all the bitching about all of the playoff losses at home. Martyball. The refusal to pull Neil for Bubby in 92, when Neil, coming off an injury that had sidelined him for a month, was having one of the worst games I can ever remember; because he had decided to get rid of Bubby, and was afraid that if Bubby became the hero, he'd have to keep him. I guarantee you, if Tomlin were to get us another Lombardi, and then retire, anytime the new coach hit a rough spot, the same people who love to hate on Tomlin, would be telling us how much better he was than the new guy. And if the team was actually bad under the new coach, oh my! Three losing seasons since Noll retired, and truthfully, not since 1970 have we gone into a season without any playoff hopes at all, as the bad years were still ones where we expected to compete going in. One year with more than 10 losses since 1969. Spoiled fanbase? You better believe it! Eventually we're going to hit a true bad stretch, and the fanbase will truly lose their minds. Some will say the 80s were horrible. By our standards, yes, but 6 winning seasons, plus one .500 season, 4 playoff seasons, and one AFC Championship Game would be remembered as a glorious decade by about half the teams in the league.

 

[Coryea]

I know the topic, I replied first to the thing. It looks like this was basically posted by a Tomlin apologist to bash Cowher??? Which makes no sense because Andrew does nothing but backs Tomlin, which is fine, but he loves when people bash the previous coach?
You're bitching about the hardest position in football to find. Again point to anywhere that we passed on a legit QB? You keep naming 8th round guys. At the time those retreads were better than what we could get in the draft. He benched Kordell half way through 1999. As for Graham I never said he was good, but you ***** we didn't try, then ***** about the people they tried with. It's not like we could just call any team and say we want your QB.

Cowher got ripped to shreds here over and over late 90's so it was no different than what Tomlin is getting. I'm not bashing Tomlin or saying fire him, but Cowher got the same treatment if that makes you guys feel better.

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[Coryea]

You nailed it. I remember all the bitching about all of the playoff losses at home. Martyball. The refusal to pull Neil for Bubby in 92, when Neil, coming off an injury that had sidelined him for a month, was having one of the worst games I can ever remember; because he had decided to get rid of Bubby, and was afraid that if Bubby became the hero, he'd have to keep him. I guarantee you, if Tomlin were to get us another Lombardi, and then retire, anytime the new coach hit a rough spot, the same people who love to hate on Tomlin, would be telling us how much better he was than the new guy. And if the team was actually bad under the new coach, oh my! Three losing seasons since Noll retired, and truthfully, not since 1970 have we gone into a season without any playoff hopes at all, as the bad years were still ones where we expected to compete going in. One year with more than 10 losses since 1969. Spoiled fanbase? You better believe it! Eventually we're going to hit a true bad stretch, and the fanbase will truly lose their minds. Some will say the 80s were horrible. By our standards, yes, but 6 winning seasons, plus one .500 season, 4 playoff seasons, and one AFC Championship Game would be remembered as a glorious decade by about half the teams in the league.

This just proves the point, Cowher was treated just like Tomlin, the Marty ball comment. Fans that didn't like Cowher would throw out the Marty ball conservative crap. In the 1994 AFCCG we didn't trail until late in the 4th but we still threw the ball 52 times. The 1997 AFCCG, we were up and instead of playing it safe so we could get 3, we were throwing to try to go up 17-7 or 20-7, and Kordell got picked. 2001 AFCCG, we ran the ball 8 times in the first half and threw it 27 times or something, can't remember exactly, but that hardly sounds like Marty ball to me.
And that's exactly what fans today do to Tomlin just randomly say crap that they have no idea if it's correct or not.

So you people that get bent out of shape when anyone says anything negative about Tomlin can sleep easy knowing Cowher got it just as bad, and I think even worse.

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[Supersteeler]

So you people that get bent out of shape when anyone says anything negative about Tomlin can sleep easy knowing Cowher got it just as bad, and I think even worse.

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Nah, Tomlin took some crap for Marty ball but it was nothing like this. Tomlin gets the blame no matter who screws up. It's absurd.

 

[Ike Kelly]

There was no other QB during Bill's tenure that was attainable with the mindset of the football team he envisioned. Getting Bettis exemplified it. Power football with heavy defense. ODonnel leaving just moved the slider more to a run/run offense, with Jim Miller being the care taker. But Tomzcak was a better player and a vet at that time. Hence, him taking over. I really felt Montana was a possibility, but knew the mindset didn't need him. Chin's ability with keeping the media under his thumb was superb. Loved every minute of it.


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[steelermania]

This just proves the point, Cowher was treated just like Tomlin, the Marty ball comment. Fans that didn't like Cowher would throw out the Marty ball conservative crap. In the 1994 AFCCG we didn't trail until late in the 4th but we still threw the ball 52 times. The 1997 AFCCG, we were up and instead of playing it safe so we could get 3, we were throwing to try to go up 17-7 or 20-7, and Kordell got picked. 2001 AFCCG, we ran the ball 8 times in the first half and threw it 27 times or something, can't remember exactly, but that hardly sounds like Marty ball to me.
And that's exactly what fans today do to Tomlin just randomly say crap that they have no idea if it's correct or not.

So you people that get bent out of shape when anyone says anything negative about Tomlin can sleep easy knowing Cowher got it just as bad, and I think even worse.

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I think what people are complaining about, is not that Cowher didn't get ripped, he did. It's that the same folks who ripped him back then, now act like he walked on water while he was here, and use him to beat down Tomlin. Other than Belicheat, there is no other coach in the league that you can say is without a doubt better than Tomlin. Mike McCarthy has been getting the exact same criticisms up in Green Bay (Great qb being wasted, etc.) Sean Payton has struggled much more than Tomlin (to their credit NO has stuck with him, and the team has rebounded this year). Andy Reid gets the same criticisms Cowher used to get, and Rat fans want to run Harbaugh out of town. Those are the best coaches after Belicheat, and they all have plenty of flaws, but overall are successful coaches. There are plenty of crap coaches in the league. They will be watching the playoffs on tv in January.

 

[Ike Kelly]

cmon man

yinz can't say Urlacher

without

No one has mentioned it yet, but I'll point it out. In today's Goodell football, Urlacher's would have been issued a fine from his tackle attempt. No crown leading....


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[steelermania]

There was no other QB during Bill's tenure that was attainable with the mindset of the football team he envisioned. Getting Bettis exemplified it. Power football with heavy defense. ODonnel leaving just moved the slider more to a run/run offense, with Jim Miller being the care taker. But Tomzcak was a better player and a vet at that time. Hence, him taking over. I really felt Montana was a possibility, but knew the mindset didn't need him. Chin's ability with keeping the media under his thumb was superb. Loved every minute of it.


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Actuall, the rumour was that certain vets on the team raised hell with Cowher about Jim Miller. They felt we had a championship team, and they weren't interested in squandering the window while breaking in a young qb of dubious ability. They pushed hard for Tomczak to get in there. I actually thought Tomczak outplayed Miller in the preseasson, but that Cowher decided to take the long term approach. When Miller struggled in his first start, I think Cowher came to the decision that Kordell would be the long term guy instead of Miller. When Tonczak proved to not be up to the job in 1996, there was no resistance to Kordell taking over in 1997. Miller eventually became a decent qb, but he was never going to take us where we wanted to go.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

And if, if if they drafted Marino, they'd only have to put up with Kordell and Tommy Gun for a few years, then Ben.

10 Lombardi's easy! This hindsight, woulda, coulda, stuff is fun.

 

[antdrewjosh]

I know the topic, I replied first to the thing. It looks like this was basically posted by a Tomlin apologist to bash Cowher??? Which makes no sense because Andrew does nothing but backs Tomlin, which is fine, but he loves when people bash the previous coach?
You're bitching about the hardest position in football to find. Again point to anywhere that we passed on a legit QB? You keep naming 8th round guys. At the time those retreads were better than what we could get in the draft. He benched Kordell half way through 1999. As for Graham I never said he was good, but you ***** we didn't try, then ***** about the people they tried with. It's not like we could just call any team and say we want your QB.

Cowher got ripped to shreds here over and over late 90's so it was no different than what Tomlin is getting. I'm not bashing Tomlin or saying fire him, but Cowher got the same treatment if that makes you guys feel better.

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Coryea you have never seen me post one thing saying Tomlin is athe best coach a great coach or anything under those lines. All i do is point out what i see as bullshit concerning him. I fault players same as i did under Cowher. I never blamed Cowher. Not for anything same as now. He had his philosophies as a coach and i was fine with them. We didnt lose AFC championships because of him. We lost because we didnt play well enough. Same thing i say now.

 

[stillwright]

Coryea you have never seen me post one thing saying Tomlin is athe best coach a great coach or anything under those lines. All i do is point out what i see as bullshit concerning him. I fault players same as i did under Cowher. I never blamed Cowher. Not for anything same as now. He had his philosophies as a coach and i was fine with them. We didnt lose AFC championships because of him. We lost because we didnt play well enough. Same thing i say now.

One could argue we lost the AFCC games because of Cowher's philosophies. Marty ball. Always playing it safe with the FG's. Worked great during the regular season but would bite us in the *** in the playoffs. I wanted Cowher gone at times. Or I should say I wouldn't have been against replacing him. Just as I wouldn't be against them replacing Tomlin...at times. I'm glad we held onto Cowher in the end. Now with Tomlin's new extension I will have to wait until after this " all in approach" our owners seemed to have taken. A few year late in my opinion but I will take it.

 

[antdrewjosh]

One could argue we lost the AFCC games because of Cowher's philosophies. Marty ball. Always playing it safe with the FG's. Worked great during the regular season but would bite us in the *** in the playoffs. I wanted Cowher gone at times. Or I should say I wouldn't have been against replacing him. Just as I wouldn't be against them replacing Tomlin...at times. I'm glad we held onto Cowher in the end. Now with Tomlin's new extension I will have to wait until after this " all in approach" our owners seemed to have taken. A few year late in my opinion but I will take it.

Yes you could argue that. But i wont or didnt. He had his ways and a play here or there we win some of those games

 

[Coryea]

One could argue we lost the AFCC games because of Cowher's philosophies. Marty ball. Always playing it safe with the FG's. Worked great during the regular season but would bite us in the *** in the playoffs. I wanted Cowher gone at times. Or I should say I wouldn't have been against replacing him. Just as I wouldn't be against them replacing Tomlin...at times. I'm glad we held onto Cowher in the end. Now with Tomlin's new extension I will have to wait until after this " all in approach" our owners seemed to have taken. A few year late in my opinion but I will take it.

And again I just gave you facts from 3AFCCG's where we didn't play conservative and see people like you just say "Marty ball" because that's the thing to say with Cowher.

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[stillwright]

And again I just gave you facts from 3AFCCG's where we didn't play conservative and see people like you just say "Marty ball" because that's the thing to say with Cowher.

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Well in the end our offense was built for Marty ball. That is what you are not getting. We didn't have a QB to do anything else. We didn't try to bring a guy and develop. We will never know if we drafted a guy to develope high in the draft if he would have panned out into something more here. And why would we draft a QB high. Cowher didn't need "that" guy to run Marty ball did he? It is what we were. You can't change that.

 

[Coryea]

Well in the end our offense was built for Marty ball. That is what you are not getting. We didn't have a QB to do anything else. We didn't try to bring a guy and develop. We will never know if we drafted a guy to develope high in the draft if he would have panned out into something more here. And why would we draft a QB high. Cowher didn't need "that" guy to run Marty ball did he? It is what we were. You can't change that.

And what you're not getting is there were no QB's high in the draft to take, and it was a different game then. It wasn't a pass first game. Tried to develop Neil, then drafted Kordell in 1995 before Neil's blow up, and Kordell looked real good in 97, so there's no point drafting a QB very high when you have a veteran back up like Tomczak.

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[antdrewjosh]

And what you're not getting is there were no QB's high in the draft to take, and it was a different game then. It wasn't a pass first game. Tried to develop Neil, then drafted Kordell in 1995 before Neil's blow up, and Kordell looked real good in 97, so there's no point drafting a QB very high when you have a veteran back up like Tomczak.

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Pass first or Run first dont matter still needed a QB who could make a big throw when needed.

 

[steelermania]

And what you're not getting is there were no QB's high in the draft to take, and it was a different game then. It wasn't a pass first game. Tried to develop Neil, then drafted Kordell in 1995 before Neil's blow up, and Kordell looked real good in 97, so there's no point drafting a QB very high when you have a veteran back up like Tomczak.

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Really, you can pick apart most coaches. Cowher really only did two things that really annoyed me. One is going into a season with Kent Graham as your starter. You just can't convince me that there wasn't a better option out there than that. The other, and this will stick in my craw forever, is that he basically flushed an 11-5 season down the drain in 1992, because Bubby Brister didn't go into a game that was already decided during the season. Just thinking about it makes my blood boil. As I sat there and watched, as the Steeler defense played their hearts out keeping us in the game, he kept sending Neil out there, series, after series, after series, until the defense finally broke. I've never been more disgusted after a game.

 

[Coryea]

Really, you can pick apart most coaches. Cowher really only did two things that really annoyed me. One is going into a season with Kent Graham as your starter. You just can't convince me that there wasn't a better option out there than that. The other, and this will stick in my craw forever, is that he basically flushed an 11-5 season down the drain in 1992, because Bubby Brister didn't go into a game that was already decided during the season. Just thinking about it makes my blood boil. As I sat there and watched, as the Steeler defense played their hearts out keeping us in the game, he kept sending Neil out there, series, after series, after series, until the defense finally broke. I've never been more disgusted after a game.

It was Graham or Ferotte(spelling), they were the only free agent QBs that did anything in the nfl that year, I remember it well, because I thought they both sucked.
Yeah rookie coaches usually do something to make a point even at the expense of the team, remember Tomlin came in and released Porter right away because he was a big personality in that locker room, and then ran 3 a days and wore the team down.

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[stillwright]

And what you're not getting is there were no QB's high in the draft to take, and it was a different game then. It wasn't a pass first game. Tried to develop Neil, then drafted Kordell in 1995 before Neil's blow up, and Kordell looked real good in 97, so there's no point drafting a QB very high when you have a veteran back up like Tomczak.

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Neil was developed. They let him go. I just might be the only person pissed that they let him walk. Threw two passes where they blitzed and the WR's didn't read the hot route. Gotcha. So in all of those drafts there was not one QB that was rated high in the draft? really?