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Spillane and Bush. An eight-game statistical comparison.

Drink IRON City said:
Coach's initial post(s) on topic can fool the average fan, kinda like some of the talking heads can trick you into you thinking they are knowledgeable and original.

ONCE you let it sink in and a few F-A-C-T-S surface you realize who is full of shittiizzle.

Thank you to all who contribute and to those who contribute SOLID football consensus.





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To be fair, Coach did edit his original post and say he doesn’t want to replace bush with Spillane... but rather have him replace Vince ... i think we’d need to see more from Spillane before doing tgat but it isn’t outrageous
 
madinsomniac said:
To be fair, Coach did edit his original post and say he doesn’t want to replace bush with Spillane... but rather have him replace Vince ... i think we’d need to see more from Spillane before doing tgat but it isn’t outrageous
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Coach has been consistent with replacing Vince with Spill over a few threads. I don't think anyone thinks we should replace Bush with Spilly, that's silly!

Though Coach did mention that we should trade Bush for draft capital in one thread...
 
insaniti said:
Spillane - 22 g, 51 tack, 42 solo, 2 sacks, 1 int, 0 ff, 1 fr, 1 TD.

Bush - 21 g, 113 tack, 66 solo, 2 sacks, 2 int, 1 ff, 4 fr, 1 TD.
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These stats are a little misleading. Bush has 20 starts to Spilly's 7. You can't rack up stats on ST.

Just doubling Spill's stats give you:

102 tack 82 solo 4 saks 2 int 0FF 2 FR 2 TD

And 14<20
 
Last 8 games for spill


x Year x x xTm G TD Pts Sk Solo Ast ComTFL QB Int Yds TD PD Fmb FL FF FR Yds TD
2020-2020 PIT 8 1 6 2.0 38 6 44 4 3 1 33 1 4 0 0 0 1 0
 
Cope said:
Coach has been consistent with replacing Vince with Spill over a few threads. I don't think anyone thinks we should replace Bush with Spilly, that's silly!

Though Coach did mention that we should trade Bush for draft capital in one thread...
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I mean it is cap savings, but vince is incredibly reliable... that earl holmes/larry foot B side ilb role isn’t hard to fill, but you have to be sure the guy you have tgere isn’t missing plays cause thats where the short runs turn into massive ones..
 
Cope said:
These stats are a little misleading. Bush has 20 starts to Spilly's 7. You can't rack up stats on ST.

Just doubling Spill's stats give you:

102 tack 82 solo 4 saks 2 int 0FF 2 FR 2 TD

And 14<20
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So are the ones coach presented. You also can't just blindly double one players stats and call it good. And I was pointing that out with his ridiculous comparison...


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The criteria listed by the OP is idiotic. What is the rationale for 8 game comparison? Why 8? Why not by positional play counts? Because, agenda fuels the pig farmer whose tractor runs on pig ****.


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Ike Kelly said:
The criteria listed by the OP is idiotic. What is the rationale for 8 game comparison? Why 8? Why not by positional play counts? Because, agenda fuels the pig farmer whose tractor runs on pig ****.


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You can't be that stupid, can you? Spillane only started 8 games. I'm using Bush's last 8 games as a comparison. Do you have a problem with that? I did point out the Bush had more overall snaps in his last 8 games. So how come is be behind in almost every area?
 
Coryea said:
Impossible to know just looking at stats, do you we have video of each play? How do we know Bush wasn't covering RB/TE's fine on several plays each game and the QB couldn't throw at him because of his coverage? Or Spillane was in coverage and his guy beat him but the QB went somewhere else or got sacked before he could throw it? Or vice versa? Bush was a rookie last year, and almost all of them hit a rookie wall.
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Do you have a video of each play? I seen Bush beaten more than he should in coverage. His lack of height and length does not serve him well in man coverage, and I have noticed he's a bit out of position in zone. Most of the data on Bush' last 8 games is from this year.
 
I'd like to see both together on the field butcomparing them? no thanks

so, what's everyone having for dinner?
 
Litos said:
I'd like to see both together on the field butcomparing them? no thanks

so, what's everyone having for dinner?
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If I'm in the mood for it, Bush for dessert. I might need some after the Bills game.
 
Coach said:
Do you have a video of each play? I seen Bush beaten more than he should in coverage. His lack of height and length does not serve him well in man coverage, and I have noticed he's a bit out of position in zone. Most of the data on Bush' last 8 games is from this year.
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No, but I'm not trying to break each player down and I didn't start a thread comparing the two. If you were to ask 32 GM's right now if both guys were healthy, how many wouldn't take Bush?
 
Litos said:
I'd like to see both together on the field butcomparing them? no thanks

so, what's everyone having for dinner?
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The wifey just called me at work and said she is going Christmas shopping with the middle daughter...

so fo me, I have to say its "tavern" ham...

cheers!
 
Coach said:
If I'm in the mood for it, Bush for dessert. I might need some after the Bills game.
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A little levity?. OK, showing you have a sense of humor ... I can dig that.
 
Coach said:
You can't be that stupid, can you? Spillane only started 8 games. I'm using Bush's last 8 games as a comparison. Do you have a problem with that? I did point out the Bush had more overall snaps in his last 8 games. So how come is be behind in almost every area?
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Stupidity is defined as someone who lacks common sense, or intelligence. While you may have intelligence in basket weaving or toe nail clipping, common sense waived bye bye to you a long time ago.

I definitely have a problem with analysis based on flawed data assessment. You by far have shown little if any acumen in comparison analysis.

Spillane started 8 games THIS season. To compare Bush, the quantifiable data available to compare the two is 4.3 games THIS season. To include a previous season of data for one player and not another (because there was none) is not a comparison you Dumb ***. It’s an amalgamation of two sets of criterial data. If you want to do a straight up comparison between the two, do so with snaps counts. The only meaningful process to assess like tasks. Bush had 278 snaps (on defense only) before going on IR. You compare the Spillane snap results of the same span, or, in addition, use a formula to provide future perceived data on Bush compared to Spillane’s to date. The formula would be baseline and not final, because the factors involved are to situational dependent.

He had more snaps Dumb *** because you are including four games (2019) without Ben and the defense was on the field with more snaps because of it. Between 2018 and 2019, there is a approximately a 100+ snap difference. In 2020 the current highest snap count is 750+, by Minkah at 3/4 through the season. In 2019 the highest player snap count was 1055. So please continue to show how much closer to stupid you are than any one else who posts on this board. You can’t even create a thread title that logically provides meaningful dialogue and discussion.

Just admit your agenda and quit wasting bandwidth jackass.


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Litos said:
for me it was a local food called cachapa (check it out on google, it's quite good) with cheese and fried pork. No beers for me today unfortunately
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that does sound tasty - definite beer food though. I'll drink one for you.

As to the long and winding discussion, stats are really only indicators, but not proof of anything in and of themselves. To illustrate, one of my favorite stats from a few years back was an anti-Duke hoops fan telling me (a Duke Hoops fan) that Duke gets half as many penalties called against them than they draw. His conclusion - Ref bias for Duke. My conclusion, when you are winning in hoops at the end of a game the other team intentionally fouls you to stop the clock. Duke is rarely behind in games (at least then - this year, not so much). How does that apply here? well, how did teams attack these two players? Did Balt and Washington run at Spillane more? Did the Steelers use Bush and Spillane in the same capacity and ask them to do the same things? Not all things are equal in the game of football from player to player, team to team, scheme to scheme. So, take those stats as indicators then sit down and watch tape and see what pops out. No, not what you recollect seeing during the game...I mean actual film analysis. I do wish I had time and the rewind package to do it. I would love to sit down and analyze every game - not just for this. What I really want to look at is the OL and running game, but that is a different thread.
 
Hoot said:
that does sound tasty - definite beer food though. I'll drink one for you.

As to the long and winding discussion, stats are really only indicators, but not proof of anything in and of themselves. To illustrate, one of my favorite stats from a few years back was an anti-Duke hoops fan telling me (a Duke Hoops fan) that Duke gets half as many penalties called against them than they draw. His conclusion - Ref bias for Duke. My conclusion, when you are winning in hoops at the end of a game the other team intentionally fouls you to stop the clock. Duke is rarely behind in games (at least then - this year, not so much). How does that apply here? well, how did teams attack these two players? Did Balt and Washington run at Spillane more? Did the Steelers use Bush and Spillane in the same capacity and ask them to do the same things? Not all things are equal in the game of football from player to player, team to team, scheme to scheme. So, take those stats as indicators then sit down and watch tape and see what pops out. No, not what you recollect seeing during the game...I mean actual film analysis. I do wish I had time and the rewind package to do it. I would love to sit down and analyze every game - not just for this. What I really want to look at is the OL and running game, but that is a different thread.
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Lets Go Duke!

It's my wife's team and college BB is her favorite sport.
 
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Did anyone mention or acknowledge that while we're discussing Bush, Spillane and their relative worth in this thread, the Steelers will be starting a guy they traded for four weeks ago and a converted Safety with 60 snaps of experience in their game against Buffalo? Asking for a friend
 
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