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Spillane and Bush. An eight-game statistical comparison.

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Spillane and Bush. An eight-game statistical comparison of their last games played.

Bush
Total tackles 47
Tackles for losses 3
QB hits 2
Passes Defended 3
Interceptions 0
Fumble recoveries 0
TD's 0
Sacks 1


Spillane
Total Tackles 44
Tackles for losses 4
QB hits 3
Passes Defended 4
Interceptions 1
Fumble recovers 1
TD's 1
Sacks 2




Takeways: Bush was on the field a bit more during his 8 games in terms of snaps, so his stats should be a bit better. But they really are not. In addition to the above numbers, Spillane has a lower missed tackles percentage this year. 11.8% to Bush's 13.3% and is making more " Splash Plays " in terms of Tackles for losses, QB hits, Passes Defended, Interceptions, Fumble recoveries, TD's, and Sacks. The data is the data, it has no agenda.


My Conclusion: With a larger sample, I think Spillane has proven to be even with Bush, and rates slightly better in terms of coverage, splash plays, and tackling ability. Yes, Bush is faster, but he's also shorter and IMO not as intuitive or alert. Next year, the two should make a fine pair.
 
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OH MY GAWD!!! This guy did not just try to make a case for Spillane being better than Bush. No damn way he's sunk that low.

Look, you do realize that if offenses aren't as wary of you as they are the other guy, you're going to get the opportunity to make more plays right? You do also realize that the downturn in our run defense started when Bush was injured, correct. Now, part of that was the fact that Alualu and Hilton were injured shortly after. But, let me remind you that the run defense hasn't been as stellar even with those guys back.,

As a "talent evaluator", I'm sure that you realize that while stats are great, you can't use them in a vacuum. They only tell part of the story. Sales are down in one area and up in another? Poke around and see what's going on in both areas. Maybe one of your best customers is having financial difficulties while you've hired a "hitter" in another area. Kind of like Heyward's numbers take a hit when Tuitt is healthy. Heyward didn't all of the sudden start sucking. But, Tuitt is good enough that he's going to get some of those sacks, TFLs, etc. that Heyward sucked up when Tuitt wasn't available.

But, to answer your hypothesis. No, Spillane is not better than Bush. Not in this world, or any other.
 
madinsomniac said:
Spilane is a runstopping scrub and Bush is a future probower... we will wish we had bush Vs KC....
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No way is Spillane better than Bush but he's also not some scrub. He's played some good football and he has room to get better too. If he was a scrub then they wouldn't have been comfortable with him being the 3rd ILB.

Bush on the other hand, won't ever be looked at as a great LB. He's not even close to the player Shazier was. Bush is a good player and will make the plays he's suppose to make and he's solid in pass coverage.
 
Bush's lateral sideline to sideline speed is disruptive to a runners ability to make big gains around the edges. Even when he doesn't make the tackle, he often forces the runner to change direction, often preventing what would've been a big gain. He's presence on the field is definitely missed.
 
Sweet, take Bush stats from last year and compare them to this year since he didn't play a full season.
 
Hines57 said:
Sweet, take Bush stats from last year and compare them to this year since he didn't play a full season.
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I was looking at Bush's stats from last year.. I swear he had atleast one TD last year vs. the Chargers and they don't have it listed in there.
 
mdk2 said:
I was looking at Bush's stats from last year.. I swear he had atleast one TD last year vs. the Chargers and they don't have it listed in there.
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Nevermind it's on there.. ESPN sucks. Had to look on Pro football ref.
 
mdk2 said:
No way is Spillane better than Bush but he's also not some scrub. He's played some good football and he has room to get better too. If he was a scrub then they wouldn't have been comfortable with him being the 3rd ILB.

Bush on the other hand, won't ever be looked at as a great LB. He's not even close to the player Shazier was. Bush is a good player and will make the plays he's suppose to make and he's solid in pass coverage.
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Shazier didn't really break out until around his third season, where from that point on he played at an elite level up to his injury. You wouldn't expect Bush to be at Shazier's level, at least not yet, as he was only starting his 2nd season before getting injured.
 
This may be the stupidest agenda Coach has ever had and that is saying a lot. Stats don't tell the whole story. Bush shut **** down to the outside and made teams think twice about running the kind of plays that killed us against the WTF's. Speed kills Bush has it Spillane who I like just doesn't. Period.
 
Steelers1356 said:
Shazier didn't really break out until around his third season, where from that point on he played at an elite level up to his injury. You wouldn't expect Bush to be at Shazier's level, at least not yet, as he was only starting his 2nd season before getting injured.
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I hope Bush becomes the best MLB in the team's history. I just don't see the same explosiveness Shazier had, not that it is the only meaningful skill set. Bush is a good player now and I expect him to get better and continue to be good, hopefully great.
 
Hines57 said:
Sweet, take Bush stats from last year and compare them to this year since he didn't play a full season.
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I comparing their last 8 games played, which included most of this season. One thing I did not tally was passing yards surrendered in coverage. I believe Bush is in the lead in that department.
 
mdk2 said:
I hope Bush becomes the best MLB in the team's history. I just don't see the same explosiveness Shazier had, not that it is the only meaningful skill set. Bush is a good player now and I expect him to get better and continue to be good, hopefully great.
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Bush is not close to Shazier.
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
This may be the stupidest agenda Coach has ever had and that is saying a lot. Stats don't tell the whole story. Bush shut **** down to the outside and made teams think twice about running the kind of plays that killed us against the WTF's. Speed kills Bush has it Spillane who I like just doesn't. Period.
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Speed kills. What is Haden's 40 yard dash time? He's among the slower corners on the team, at a position where it matters the most. He's also our best corner. Teams are NOT running outside on us often.

While I do think speed is important, and MLB so are smarts & instincts and in coverage so is height and long arms. Spillane > Bush in these departments.

I did not say one is better than the other, just listing the data which has some panties in a wad.
 
paperclip said:
which 8 games?
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Appears Coach went off Bush's rookie year as opposed to Spillane's 3rd year. If you go back to Sillane's rookie year with Tennassee, you'd have 2 games played and 0's the rest of the way

Stats are what you make them, they help in comparison as long as they criteria is identical. Hardly the case here with Coach and his comparison.


I like both said players and want both on the field of play.

Coach, unless you can decider & compare criteria legitamitely you may want to leave the analytical to posters such as slash / Cope / Coolie / SteelBuckeye / and many more here for sake of relevance !!!!


Salute the nation
 
Drink IRON City said:
Appears Coach went off Bush's rookie year as opposed to Spillane's 3rd year. If you go back to Sillane's rookie year with Tennassee, you'd have 2 games played and 0's the rest of the way

Stats are what you make them, they help in comparison as long as they criteria is identical. Hardly the case here with Coach and his comparison.

I like both said players and want both on the field of play.

Coach, unless you can decider & compare criteria legitamitely you may want to leave the analytical to posters such as slash / Cope / Coolie / SteelBuckeye / and many more here for sake of relevance !!!!

Salute the nation
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To avoid confusion I am comparing their last 8 games played. In these games both started in the same defense in the same spot. So it's a fair comparison. The data is the data.

PS: Don't flatter the others. They do not do many posts like the one I just did.
 
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Bush started as a true rookie at ilb here... that isn’t easy... the guy has the right ball instincts to be a star and the sideline to sideline speed to give a d a ton of flexibility.

Spillane is a nice player, and he has made a couple splash plays... but he isn’t even at vinces level, much less where Bush will end up... there is a solid chance that Avery getting a chance to play more may doom spillane back to a lesser role as well...

This is just more of Coach Passive aggressively hating on a player irrationally... its fine... everyone sees it...
 
Coach said:
Speed kills. What is Haden's 40 yard dash time? He's among the slower corners on the team, at a position where it matters the most. He's also our best corner. Teams are NOT running outside on us often.

While I do think speed is important, and MLB so are smarts & instincts and in coverage so is height and long arms. Spillane > Bush in these departments.

I did not say one is better than the other, just listing the data which has some panties in a wad.
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Totally disagree with saying Spillane is better in those departments. Spillane is far more limited in what coverage he can provide and more importantly he HAS to be right on his reads to make the play, Bush has the lateral quickness and recovery speed to help stop blown assignments by himself or others. If we lose contain Spillane is not going to shut the play down for minimal gain to the outside Bush can and does. Spillane is a great cog in the defense when everyone does what they are supposed to do. Bush and his speed are an insurance policy against broken plays and assignments or mobile QBs.
 
madinsomniac said:
Bush started as a true rookie at ilb here... that isn’t easy... the guy has the right ball instincts to be a star and the sideline to sideline speed to give a d a ton of flexibility.

Spillane is a nice player, and he has made a couple splash plays... but he isn’t even at vinces level, much less where Bush will end up... there is a solid chance that Avery getting a chance to play more may doom spillane back to a lesser role as well...

This is just more of Coach Passive aggressively hating on a player irrationally... its fine... everyone sees it...
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Okay, lol you nailed it!. I think Bush is a good player, but I also think he's overrated in these parts and cost a bit too much to trade up to get. That was my opinion long before I typed in Spillane's name.
 
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