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Someone needs to be fired after this game

23 to ******* 7. We can't hold onto that in the 2nd half? **** that game has me boiled. I would love to watch it again just to see exactly what this defense was doing to blow it so badly, but like others have said, I just can't stomach it.
The older I get (I'm 48) losses don't usually hurt as bad to me as they did 10 or 20 years ago. But this one is eating at me.
 
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Guys, leads are no longer certain, in any football game. You keep scoring, or you lose. Plain and simple.
 
Guys, leads are no longer certain, in any football game. You keep scoring, or you lose. Plain and simple.

You can't get much more certain than 220-0-2, my friend.
 
Cope, Tomlin sucks.

Cope has a lot of blind faith in Tomlin.

That D should give nobody faith. That scheme should give nobody faith.

But in reality no need to break down anyone's wall of faith,

The Steelers will ultimately do that for you.

There is no safe lead, Ben should keep the gas on the metal all game.


For two reasons.


1 D as mentioned
2 You really don't have a RB that can protect a lead until Conner is back.
 
actually 14 points were due to referees mistakes (on purpose or not we wont know), so yes the D sometimes is like butter (Keith Butter might be our D coach name) but those points should have never happened, not like that.
 
actually 14 points were due to referees mistakes (on purpose or not we wont know), so yes the D sometimes is like butter (Keith Butter might be our D coach name) but those points should have never happened, not like that.


Sometimes?


we shall see...., there is two games coming up that will show if it is sometimes,, or just when they play competent QBs.
 
FOR those of you who don't think the "FIX" is in, you should re-evaluate many a circumstances. Each circumstance as a single act would support NON-fix but when multiple circumstances are combined, it is NO coincidence as to intended outcome. FOOTBALL is a reasonable predicted game, I'm talking old rules with steady reffereeing. Think about it, before replay and such the game was less controversial. YES YES there were some poor calls but NOT near the unity of today's NFL and they have assisted review. Why is that??? There is way more "REF" influence in any game than ever before along with NY influence, why is that? Rules changes to make it more cloudy to the fan (NOT clean and decisive) why is that????? I can go on and on and on but I think my point is made. If a top research mathematician would do an analysis of win loss and VEGAS spread numbers I think a true pattern would be created and found to be manipulative in favor of the book. NFL is big money and BIG MONEY is NOT going to leave this much $$$$$$ to just random outcome. Casinos are an example. WAKE UP






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Agree DIC, I miss the old days of a dozen rules or so, instead of the 10,000 that are now on the books.
Makes the game unwatchable, not knowing if what you think happened is really what as deemed by the officials as happening.
 
FOR those of you who don't think the "FIX" is in, you should re-evaluate many a circumstances. Each circumstance as a single act would support NON-fix but when multiple circumstances are combined, it is NO coincidence as to intended outcome. FOOTBALL is a reasonable predicted game, I'm talking old rules with steady reffereeing. Think about it, before replay and such the game was less controversial. YES YES there were some poor calls but NOT near the unity of today's NFL and they have assisted review. Why is that??? There is way more "REF" influence in any game than ever before along with NY influence, why is that? Rules changes to make it more cloudy to the fan (NOT clean and decisive) why is that????? I can go on and on and on but I think my point is made. If a top research mathematician would do an analysis of win loss and VEGAS spread numbers I think a true pattern would be created and found to be manipulative in favor of the book. NFL is big money and BIG MONEY is NOT going to leave this much $$$$$$ to just random outcome. Casinos are an example. WAKE UP






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you should go have a couple of beers with wig and talk about conspiracy theories, hell I'd join you guys, it would be a hoot!
 
you should go have a couple of beers with wig and talk about conspiracy theories, hell I'd join you guys, it would be a hoot!



ARE you saying that the NFL is absolutely legitimate and NO fix in. It's not a conspiracy theory when the writing is on the wall. The BIG MONEY goes to great lengths to conceal the obvious and markets that point very well to make the general public oblivious to the fact. BIG MONEY has never stood by and just let chance play it's way out. Again,.........you play this off as two crazies making stuff up when many a things show otherwise. How HONEST do you perceive the NFL to be........??????...................Again wake up




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We did not lose because the NFL is fixed, unless you are saying that Tomlin is in on it, which does not seem crazy after watching the coverage on Allen all day. I tend towards the Hanlon's razor view, however - Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

Seeking an explanation for the goofy run/pass ratio, which could also seem suspect, I went to a Big Ben explanation -
"I don't think that there's any reason for people to get worked up over the number of runs compared to passes,” he said. “People are always going to get worked up over the numbers, when you lose especially. I don't know if people would get as worked up if we would have won the game. That's why [Randy Fichtner is] the OC and calls the plays for us, and I think we're all just fine with the run-pass ratio. We just want to win."

Er, you lost. Two weeks in a row with that ****** up ratio. Possibly people would be fine with it if we were winning with it, but we are not.

Anyway, I would not be able to watch the NFL if I really thought it was fixed. I think the reality is that there are a lot of stupid people in the game, from the players to the coaches to the refs.
 
I can blame Tomlin for having no answer to Allen lined up in the slot. That's why Marcus Allen is active, to guard the middle guys. Nope a LB. Bad move.

But I also can't blame Tomlin for the worst false start that I've ever seen, that wasn't called on the first TD, the bad bounce on what should have been a defended TD on the 2nd TD, the 2 blocks in the back on the PR TD, or the illegal snaps by the LS on the FGs.

It's a game, and it just wasn't our day.
 
We did not lose because the NFL is fixed, unless you are saying that Tomlin is in on it, which does not seem crazy after watching the coverage on Allen all day. I tend towards the Hanlon's razor view, however - Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

Seeking an explanation for the goofy run/pass ratio, which could also seem suspect, I went to a Big Ben explanation -

Er, you lost. Two weeks in a row with that ****** up ratio. Possibly people would be fine with it if we were winning with it, but we are not.

Anyway, I would not be able to watch the NFL if I really thought it was fixed. I think the reality is that there are a lot of stupid people in the game, from the players to the coaches to the refs.



I did NOT say we won or loss due to the "FIX". I'm saying games are influenced or "FIXED" if that's the word you want to use to get the outcome to acceptable results. NO, win or loss may not be the factor but the influenced points / poiont spread / out right win or loss can all be influenced. WHY THE **** would the cheatriots cheat if it wasn't for outcome. WAY to much money involved to not have a hand in it. SIMPLE math. ALSO what aids the BIG MONEY is only a % of games are influenced, just as in a casino..........there are winners you know..........to keep people coming back.



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I can blame Tomlin for having no answer to Allen lined up in the slot. That's why Marcus Allen is active, to guard the middle guys. Nope a LB. Bad move.

But I also can't blame Tomlin for the worst false start that I've ever seen, that wasn't called on the first TD,
So because their might be a false start does that make it OK for half of our defense to stop on the play hoping for a flag? Does that give the DB an excuse for getting blown by like a fart in the wind. Yes it should have been a penalty, but just because there is a penalty doesn't mean we have to give up a TD plan and HOPE it gets overturned.
the 2 blocks in the back on the PR TD,
So 9 other guys couldn't have make a tackle?
or the illegal snaps by the LS on the FGs.
Should have never come down to the FG in the first place. Our defense once again **** the bed because they were asked to do something they are not capable of doing
 
We did not lose because the NFL is fixed, unless you are saying that Tomlin is in on it, which does not seem crazy after watching the coverage on Allen all day. I tend towards the Hanlon's razor view, however - Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

Seeking an explanation for the goofy run/pass ratio, which could also seem suspect, I went to a Big Ben explanation -

Er, you lost. Two weeks in a row with that ****** up ratio. Possibly people would be fine with it if we were winning with it, but we are not.

Anyway, I would not be able to watch the NFL if I really thought it was fixed. I think the reality is that there are a lot of stupid people in the game, from the players to the coaches to the refs.

The ratio the last 2 weeks was largely dictated by the fact that Conner was doing next to nothing in the ground game on a consistent basis. We still put up 30 points and lost with a 16 point lead because of the defense being asked to do something they are not capable of doing.
 
The ratio the last 2 weeks was largely dictated by the fact that Conner was doing next to nothing in the ground game on a consistent basis. We still put up 30 points and lost with a 16 point lead because of the defense being asked to do something they are not capable of doing.

W CLE Team Rushing 31 for 168, Conner 24 for 146, 6.1 YPC
W BAL Team Rushing 27 for 113, Conner 24 for 107, 4.5 YPC
W CAR Team Rushing 30 for 138, Conner 13 for 65, 5 YPC
W JAX Team Rushing 11 for 26, Conner 9 for 25, 2.8 YPC
L DEN Team Rushing 16 for 75, Conner 13 for 53, 4.1 YPC
L LAR Team Rushing 17 for 65, Conner 15 for 60, 4 YPC

Not a Conner thing. We gave up on the run.
 
Here's Big Ben's explanation of why we didn't run the ball more in the Denver game -
James Conner has been one of the NFL's best running backs during the 2018 season. Through 11 games, Conner has amassed 1,302 all-purpose yards to go with 11 total touchdowns. The AFC's reigning Offensive Player of the Month, Conner was one of the main reasons for the Steelers' six-game winning streak that propelled Pittsburgh into sole possession of first place in the AFC North division.

On Sunday, however, Conner was a forgotten man in Pittsburgh's offense. Facing the NFL's 27th ranked defense against the run, Conner's number was called just 13 times, as the Steelers threw the ball 56 times and ran the ball just 16 times. In fact, on Pittsburgh's final 15 offensive plays following Conner's third quarter fumble, the Steelers called 14 pass plays while calling Conner's number just once, a 1-yard gain that brought the ball to the Broncos' 1-yard line on the play before Ben Roethlisberger's fateful interception with 1:07 remaining. Conner, who had four consecutive 100-yard rushing performances at one point this season, has had just 34 carries for 142 yards over Pittsburgh's last three games. Despite his teammates' recent lack of production and opportunities, Big Ben said after Sunday's game that the offense has not lost faith in their new starting running back.

“Not at all," Roethlisberger said when asked if there's concern with regard to the running game. "The game plan dictated today that we could throw it. We threw the ball. A lot of guys made plays for us. Why get away from something that you are successful in just to force something else? We had a drive there where we ran it four or five-straight times and moved the ball. We aren’t going to get away from something that is working.”

from - https://247sports.com/nfl/pittsburg...faith-in-James-Conner-running-game-125370418/

Hey Ben, you lost. It was not successful, so yes, force something else. Running the ball is a matter of forcing things, yes. And you throw stupid interceptions when we throw that much.
 
W CLE Team Rushing 31 for 168, Conner 24 for 146, 6.1 YPC
W BAL Team Rushing 27 for 113, Conner 24 for 107, 4.5 YPC
W CAR Team Rushing 30 for 138, Conner 13 for 65, 5 YPC
W JAX Team Rushing 11 for 26, Conner 9 for 25, 2.8 YPC
L DEN Team Rushing 16 for 75, Conner 13 for 53, 4.1 YPC
L LAR Team Rushing 17 for 65, Conner 15 for 60, 4 YPC

Not a Conner thing. We gave up on the run.

We gave up on the run because Conner was not effective out of the gate. Should we run-run-run-punt for 4 series in hopes that Conner finds a rhythm? Conner has not been the same since he got his bell rung and that is a fact. Maybe he hit the rookie wall, maybe he is too afraid of putting the ball on the turf...but he has not been effective early to justify continuing to try.
 
We gave up on the run because Conner was not effective out of the gate. Should we run-run-run-punt for 4 series in hopes that Conner finds a rhythm? Conner has not been the same since he got his bell rung and that is a fact. Maybe he hit the rookie wall, maybe he is too afraid of putting the ball on the turf...but he has not been effective early to justify continuing to try.

Of course you keep running it. It is normal for the run game to develop through the game and get better as the game progresses. It is abnormal to abandon it after a few runs.
 
Here's Big Ben's explanation of why we didn't run the ball more in the Denver game -


from - https://247sports.com/nfl/pittsburg...faith-in-James-Conner-running-game-125370418/

Hey Ben, you lost. It was not successful, so yes, force something else. Running the ball is a matter of forcing things, yes. And you throw stupid interceptions when we throw that much.

We are averaging 28 points per game and the number 4 passing and scoring offense in the NFL. Try blaming the **** defense that we continue to run instead.
 
Of course you keep running it. It is normal for the run game to develop through the game and get better as the game progresses. It is abnormal to abandon it after a few runs.

Yes, we should keep giving the ball to the other team just to have balance even though our defense is ******* atrocious and couldn't stop anybody. That is a recipe for disaster. Any other team that is averaging 28 points a game would not be bitching about our running game.
 
We are averaging 28 points per game and the number 4 passing and scoring offense in the NFL. Try blaming the **** defense that we continue to run instead.

I agree we have **** defense. I also agree that we lit it up when we ran the ball more. Since the JAX game we are averaging 22 PPG running the ball an average of 14 times per game.
 
I agree we have **** defense. I also agree that we lit it up when we ran the ball more. Since the JAX game we are averaging 22 PPG running the ball an average of 14 times per game.

What about Conner's runs in either the Jax, Denver, or LA game leads you to believe we should have run more? We have thrown for over 1000 yards in 3 games. The run/pass balance is not the problem for this team, it is strictly a defense issue. Fix the defense and nobody is talking about our offense.
 
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