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So here's how you know Tomlin was out coached,

After they quickly went down 14-0, I didn't give a ****, actually started chuckling at the keystone cops perfromance.

If Tomlin gets the boot, and I think he should, someone will quickly make an offer to him and I say so what.

Coaches get stale, Andy Reid got fired, why shouldn't Tomlin?
 
ZonaBurgh said:
After they quickly went down 14-0, I didn't give a ****, actually started chuckling at the keystone cops perfromance.

If Tomlin gets the boot, and I think he should, someone will quickly make an offer to him and I say so what.

Coaches get stale, Andy Reid got fired, why shouldn't Tomlin?
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EVERYONE is replaceable. When any employee feels that they are not replaceable, you have problems as a manager or owner.
 
As already previously stated, The Rooneys aren't firing Tomlin.
Tomlin will retire when he sees fit.

With that above hard truth, we need playmakers/studs/youth to make up for his idiocy and lack of X's, Os, and inspiration.
Ben and the entire O-Line need to retire and go.
Colbert probably would go in this scenario, too unfortunately. But he's been hinting at that for a while.
The era is over.
Ben and/or Steelers trying to squeeze one more year out of Ben is going to get us one more year of "just enough to probably get in the playoffs but then get embarrassed" season.
We've had far too many of those.
 
Couple things:

It always seems that the team is too busy looking ahead. I really think they were looking at either playing Buffalo or Indy the following week.
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I am about 100% sure that they WERE looking ahead and they couldn't even imagine the Browns putting up a fight. I don't think it even really occurred to them until midway through the 4th that they might lose.

As for that Tebow debacle, that was a complete show of disrespect to Tebow. It's one thing to to play a defense predominantly designed to stop the run. The Steelers spent the majority of that game essentially in goal-line. They didn't just DARE Tebow to throw deep, they basically made it so he had no other choice.
 
Oh yeah, let's not forget the dumb *** decision to try to get Cleveland to jump offsides while we have our ******* punting unit on the field and losing 28-0 or whatever the ******* score was, who the **** does that???? Tomlin does. Just leave your offense on the field if you're going to try to get them to jump offsides, they aren't looking to block the punt so they're not going to jump.
And the brilliant call when we scored to make it 35-22, instead of going for 2 to make it an 11 point lead, we kick an extra point. Whether we kick the xp or fail getting two we're still ******* down by two tds

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Look for media Ben bashing in the near future. The media loves Tomlin and they know somebody must be blamed. They will throw Ben under the bus to absolve Tomlin.
 
Oh I was thinking about Ben.
Sarge said:
The Steelers haven't won a SB with Pouncey. Their last SB win was 2009. Pouncey wasn't drafted until 2010. So he is correct.

EDIT: I couldn't remember who the center was for that game. It was Justin Hartwig. I had to look it up.
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tapeANaspirin2it said:
Look for media Ben bashing in the near future. The media loves Tomlin and they know somebody must be blamed. They will throw Ben under the bus to absolve Tomlin.
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That started last night on social media, and is still going today on the radio. Arthur Moats is on SNR now, defending Tomlin's punting decisions, blaming Ben, Watt, Heyward, Minkah, has not even bothered saying anything about Tomlin.
 
When they play the national anthem before the game I know Tomlin will be the 2nd best head coach on the field.
 
Tomlin logic, go for 2 point conversions 3 times but he won't go for it from his own 38 or late in the game on 4th and 1.

He was extremely erratic with his decision making and it was reflected in the play of the team.
 
BLITZ said:
I am not a Tomlin guy but he did not play on the field today. our players lost this game for us
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So at what point exactly is Mike Tomlin held accountable? He has two All-Pros on the defense, a defense that has 9 players drafted in the first round, a HOF quarterback, and has not won a playoff game since 2016. He is currently on a 3-game losing streak in the playoffs, and has lost playoff games (with Ben Roethlisberger at QB) to Tim Tebow, Blake Bortles and Baker Mayfield the past five years.

The problem is the head coach. When a team fails to address problems year after year (the inability to draft and develop anybody in the secondary, the utter failure to develop a running game, the tendency to assign coverage duties to a LB'er while an All-Pro safety remains 20 yards from the LOS), the fault lies with the head coach.

Nobody should be surprised by this result. Nobody. This team lost at home to the Washington Football Team Club No Nickname and the Cincinnati ******* Bengals.

You think losing to Cleveland is a surprise??
 
One more note on Tomlin being outcoached, this dumb *** SAT PLAYERS LAST WEEK SO WE COULD PLAY THE BROWNS AGAIN.

If we beat the Browns last week we are playing Miami or maybe someone else.
 
More importantly those players sat might have not come out of the gates playing like dog ****.
Hines57 said:
One more note on Tomlin being outcoached, this dumb *** SAT PLAYERS LAST WEEK SO WE COULD PLAY THE BROWNS AGAIN.

If we beat the Browns last week we are playing Miami or maybe someone else.
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xjx said:
We have seen everything that Tomlin can do. He is only good enough make it to the playoffs but can't win in the playoffs. The Jason Garrett syndrome.
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Jason Garrett is the combination of Vince Lombardi and Chuck Noll compared to Tomlin.
 
LOL, now Moats is defending Tomlins decision to sit Dotson.
 
At the very least, the Randy and bubble gum have to go. I also think Butler should follow. They are all WAY to predictable and continue the same play calls and scheme all season with no changes towards personnel. Doubt Tomlin goes as I don't think the Deuce has the balls. Would love all to go, but doubt any will be. MT will bring all his Ark St boys back and use some new elegant words from his word of the day calendar.
 
Super Dave said:
Coaches decision to sit Pouncey last week
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I’ve wondered about the amount of practice for our “vets” the last few weeks, particularly on an offense clearly out of sync. As to the OP, this is obviously chess, not checkers, it would have been nice if we could have anticipated HOW a team would counter us, so we could in turn counter that once we see their adjustments from last week. Sadly, they did not adjust, but in fairness the crazy crazy start would make clear thinking harder in real time. I do think our coaching staff was outmatched in this one regardless of the turnovers. We never really got control on defense, and it the loss of Bud/Hightower on that side was HUGE in this game and the exploitation of that was a coaching win for the Clowns.
 
SteelerinMD said:
At the very least, the Randy and bubble gum have to go. I also think Butler should follow. They are all WAY to predictable and continue the same play calls and scheme all season with no changes towards personnel. Doubt Tomlin goes as I don't think the Deuce has the balls. Would love all to go, but doubt any will be. MT will bring all his Ark St boys back and use some new elegant words from his word of the day calendar.
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Those coaches do need to go, and I think they will. I hope so.
 
To all the people who state that it’s on the players, they just have to play better, let me ask you this question. When would you ever fire a coach? I mean if the coach is not responsible for the level of play then why ever fire him? Serious question. Should Adam Gase have been fired by the Jets? Not his fault. The players needed to execute better.

A bad game is on the player. Repeated bad games is on the coaches.

you could argue that the steelers have the most talent of any team in the NFL. Go ahead. Name a team with more overall talent. The Chiefs defense is mediocre. Mahomes lifts that team.
 
Coryea said:
That started last night on social media, and is still going today on the radio. Arthur Moats is on SNR now, defending Tomlin's punting decisions, blaming Ben, Watt, Heyward, Minkah, has not even bothered saying anything about Tomlin.
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Guys, I LOVE LOVE LOVE Ben, and the bashing will be unfair and often is. But my God, there is a lot of Ben mistakes last night to justify the criticism. Can I posit that our offensive line is Bens problem-the 39 year old Ben. He DOES NOT LOOK comfortable anymore behind this line. We saw Pouncy get shoved so far backwards on one replay last night. Ben used to love to hold the ball and extend plays. Either his age or surgery or something has changed his approach and he seems uneasy now. How many of our best plays last night came when he left the pocket. This Ben needs a really good line OR, he needs to heal or get comfortable again with streetball.
 
A lot of us were dissatisfied with Cowher's playoff record until he finally broke through and ran the table in 2005. But look at the playoff losses that irk us so much:

  • The big one - 1994 AFC Championship at home to a mediocre San Diego team. Lost 17-13. Steelers had Neil O'Donnell at QB, had the ball at the 3-yard line and failed on 4th down.
  • 1995 - lost the Super Bowl to the heavily favored Cowgirls 27-17. But the onside kick and the TD making the game 21-17, and the subsequent defensive stop giving the Steelers the ball again and a chance to take the lead but for ... another bad interception by O'Donnell.
  • 1997 - lost to Denver at home in AFC Championship game 24-21 with Kordell Stewart at QB, playing against John Elway. Should have run the ball more when pushing Denver's defense around.
  • 2001 - losing to the ******* Patsies at home in the AFC Championship game, 24-17, with Kordell Stewart at QB and against a 2nd year Brady.

Those losses stunk, but what do they have in common? Every game, the Steelers were competitive. Every game, the Steelers had ... limitations at QB. The Steelers were not routed by a mediocre QB, and not embarrassed.

Bill Cowher's failures would be deemed incredible coaching successes for Tomlin.
 
Ben missed a few throws but most of the misses were from the WR not doing what Ben thought they would do. That happened a bunch of times. I don’t care who plays QB. You throw 66 passes and there are going to be 5 or 6 bad throws in there.
 
Steelers can’t run the ball. Whose fault is that?
Steeler offense became predictable and defenses were calling out plays. Whose fault is that?
Steeler offense has been slow to start ever since Fichtner took over. Whose fault are the slow offensive starts?
 
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