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Sink or swim in the Tomlin offense of the last 5 years?
Meh. Doubtful Howard will be swimming. Hope he has a life vest on.....will certainly help him feom sinking anyway.
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Meh. Doubtful Howard will be swimming. Hope he has a life vest on.....will certainly help him feom sinking anyway.
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Russ was certainly a shot in the arm until defenses figured out he didn't have wheels anymore and couldn't see the middle of the field to use it if you pressured him up the middle. You are right, there is no proof we open up for A Aron. But we do know he can use the middle of the field, something Wilson always struggled with but compensated for with his mobility until that mobility failed him. Aaron may flop as well if he is even the choice. You may be tired of the notion but the evidence points that way. I am not saying I even agree with the philosophy and think he should have let Mason off the chain in the playoffs against the Bills. But I understand the philosophy and it is hard to argue that it isn't effective more often than naught in the regular season. The Brown's playoff game is an example of why he does it. In that game had we not turned the ball over we likely win. Against the Bills we needed more aggressiveness for sure.
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You have been making excuses for Tomlin's offense for 5 or 6 years now. When will this **** show fall onto Tomlin's lap as his failure? If Rodgers fails this season? Or will you have a new excuse for him?
This is Tomlin's failure. Other HCs have done more with less. Scheme and philosophy go a long way.
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Keep in mind that 2018 Ben gave his 1st retirement whisper, the team / Tomlin ignored on that hint. No Developement of the QB position. Doesn’t matter the degree of failure other than the failure itself.
Add in Ben’s injury season and anyone could see the priority of QB need, yet nothing. No solid plan moving forward.
We are now resting on the aa-Aron to come down off Mt. Olympus to the success of our season, yet still not clear of our QB path.
Tomlin is the center of the stage and responsible for the team as is. He has clearly not told the GM we need a clear cut QB to build upon. Just keeps wheeling in the geriatrics and release ing higher ceiling low cost QB players. (Fields as an example). Credit him with the Rudy / 6th round Will / Skylar………… if you will.
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Maybe when he was younger but at his age, I wouldn't want to see Rodgers on the offensive line.
Who would mentor him as clowlin does know how to pick leaders.
He doesn't weigh enough, but I guess there are several months before game one. He could eat BACON and perogies for the next 4 months.
Man now that I think about it, we may have a center
Who would mentor him as clowlin does know how to pick leaders.
He doesn't weigh enough, but I guess there are several months before game one. He could eat BACON and perogies for the next 4 months.
Man now that I think about it, we may have a center
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Live with out BACON? Live without BACON! By choice?
I am living without Selma Hayak. But not by. choice.
LIving with BACON, makes living without Hayak not suck as much.
Thank you BACON.
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It doesn't look like I can start new threads, so I figured this would be as good of a place as any to mention it since Rodgers would be throwing to him.
News outlets are stating the Steelers and Dolphins are talking a trade for Jonnu Smith. I'm not sure about this if it's true. The Steelers already have two good TEs that don't get used. I'm not sure what I think about adding what would be a high priced, if they have to extend him, TE that will go from over 80 receptions last year to 35 with the Steelers.
News outlets are stating the Steelers and Dolphins are talking a trade for Jonnu Smith. I'm not sure about this if it's true. The Steelers already have two good TEs that don't get used. I'm not sure what I think about adding what would be a high priced, if they have to extend him, TE that will go from over 80 receptions last year to 35 with the Steelers.
No worries mate we have Rudy guiding our sleigh.
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Sometimes I don’t think you fully read what post but take a preconceived view of what you think is aid and not what I actually said. I didn’t say I agree with his philosophy but I understand it. You can understand something without agreeing fully with it. He has proven it works to keep a team without solid QB play competitive. He never gives up and always wants to win. This same drive has also cost him come playoff time. The last few years as his own success with it along with injuries has doomed him come playoff time. I don’t think most coaches even make the playoffs let alone with the rosters we have had the last few years particularly on offense. He does but it means an almost sure playoff exit against more talented teams. He then tries to play it safe and eke out a win when he would be better off to play balls to the wall and go for broke against superior teams. I agree with much of what you say, I just have different more nuanced take on things and less strictly all good or bad. I think with the roster building they have been doing on the lines that we are closer to having a team that may only be A QB and WR away from truly competing. I do think he has to give his QB more freedom to use the whole field with the guys he has now and or with Aaron. Time to throw caution to the wind.
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not for those reading posts on this forum.....you should not rewrite history to nuthug on Tomlin. He simply ran out of OCs forced upon him(BA, Toddster) and first ballot HoF QBs.
yes, all would be better if Ben was still in his prime: the Steelers O would be much better, Pickens would be AllPro and have an extension, Muuth would have far greater production, Najee's career average would be 4.3 yds/carry and a new deal, Austin would have 7 tds last season.....
I thought Rudolph was the developmental QB. Maybe we don't like that now, but he was that then.
I can't argue with the truth that Tomlin has completely mishandled the QB post Ben. It's incompetent, I just don't think it's nefarious or purposeful. Again, I guess that doesn't really matter, as here they are regardless.
Oh, bullshit. Rewrite history? You rewrite history by acting as if Tomlin is the first coach to lose a HOF QB and then struggle. And you don't read. How many times did I have to say Tomlin is responsible for the lack of talent?
I believe what you're trying to say is that he's doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
There's a term for that.
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Rudolf was never given the chance to shine. Once that oportunity raised, he did a pretty good job of saving the “Tomlinships”. After that, the handcuffs were re-installed. A playoff that lasted about 1 1/2 quarters.
Everyone knows Tomlin tries, just that he can’t get out of his own way and actually for being in the league for nearly a score, he has never had to deal with the QB position.
Ben covered a very lot of ****-sizzle, and yet prospered. Imagine had Ben had quality OL and no crap scheme / OC, you know ones that actually contributed to being a great offense…….. imagine where he’d be in the record books………
There is no sugar coat, Tomlin is the one accountable for the QB “dance” that we are all wittnessing.
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Everyone knows Tomlin tries, just that he can’t get out of his own way and actually for being in the league for nearly a score, he has never had to deal with the QB position.
Ben covered a very lot of ****-sizzle, and yet prospered. Imagine had Ben had quality OL and no crap scheme / OC, you know ones that actually contributed to being a great offense…….. imagine where he’d be in the record books………
There is no sugar coat, Tomlin is the one accountable for the QB “dance” that we are all wittnessing.
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I thought I used it. Incompetent.
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He isn't a Steelers employee, so no reason he should be at OTA's, and no reason it should be news that he won't be.
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Agreed. If it doesn't come from a pig it ain't bacon.
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2014 to 2018 they had a few great players on offence in their primes. They had a consistent, high performing o-line, and a running back and wide receiver performing at a hall of fame level, as well as Ben being in his prime. And the rushing probably dropped off in 2018 due to Bell being replaced by Conner with nothing behind him.
Somehow you missed the joke there.
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Tomlin has fully neutered the team offensively and defensively. All aggressiveness has been removed from the team on both sides of the ball. Regardless of the players you have to let them play. The constant running on first / second down, the 2 yrd out routes, refusal to throw down the middle, refusal to use the TE and RB in the passing game more, etc etc. Defensively we don't blitz and have turned minkah into a statue or a run stopping LB. You can blame the coordinators, but ultimately tomlin is in charge of them. If he did not like or approve of the gameplans we wouldn't be running then.
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Mikey’s just waiting for a guy in a gold jacket to come riding in on a horse, scoop him up and carry to his next success story…the Tomlin way
Without that he’s just a hitcher on the side of the road walking along and creeping people out spewing some weird mumbo jumbo about cutting off eyelids, painting barns, putting pudding in a box or some gibberish about the ingredients in hot dogs. Simply insane
Rudolph was never given a chance to shine? Where's that coming from? He's had enough starts now to equate to a season and a 1/2 of starts under Tomlin. We're not talking about a 1st rd pick. He was a third rounder and prob that was too high. There is no obligation beyond the chances he has been given to see if he can excel at his position based upon where he was picked. He's now had a chance to shine on two different teams. How many chances does he need? He's clearly not shown that he's the guy in either place whether it's in practices or game play. At least not enough to ignore all the other QBs in the room.
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Tomlin and company had a 1st round grade on him. He was a steal in the 3rd round.
You saw what they did to their lastest 1st round pick of a QB.....
It is possible that Tomlin and company have zero idea how to grade out a QB. I am just speculating of course.