Protest

[steelhurt]

I’ve heard that argument and you may be correct Coryea.
I wish Rooney would have at least listened to what the Bears would have offered.
It could have gone a long way towards rebuilding this franchise.
It could have been presented as an amiable split with both party’s needing a fresh start. That was Rooney’s ticket to move on but looks like Tomlin is more of a CO CEO rather than Rooney’s HC.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Listening to the offer would’ve resembled heat underneath the seat

Rooney is too much of a ***** to deal with how that might look

Rooney is a big fat enflamed labia that has endless ice packs for his big swollen chochee and Mikes seat

**** Art, **** Tomlin and **** the Ravens

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Listening to the offer would’ve resembled heat underneath the seat

Rooney is too much of a ***** to deal with how that might look

Rooney is a big fat enflamed labia that has endless ice packs for his big swollen chochee and Mikes seat

**** Art, **** Tomlin and **** the Ravens

 

[SojournerSteel]

That’s exactly correct str8liner. The Rooney’s appear to be obsessed with fairness rather than qualifications. That was obvious when reading that article.
I believe in giving minorities an opportunity to be hired but if not the best qualified please don’t hire them strictly on being a minority.
That’s basically what he said about hiring Kahn. Jim Rooney said no one would give him a chance.
I would hope he was hired because you thought he was the most qualified but the tone seems to suggest different.

Of course the great irony in all of this is that Tomlin cannot simply be judged as he should based on the content of his coaching record like Mike McCarthy or Dan Quinn who have been fired before and free to fail and start over.

The Rooneys have invested significant esoteric social capital in keeping Tomlin in that position and the social credit imputed to their values as an organization to the point Tomlin isn't evaluated like other coaches who have 8 year playoff droughts would be..

Art even said two years ago "I don't evaluate Mike Tomlin on anything other than I'm glad he's our head coach."

 

[MT~Forged]

shows my shipment was delivered. I wonder if they even read the gift note?

 

[jiminoh]

Of course the great irony in all of this is that Tomlin cannot simply be judged as he should based on the content of his coaching record like Mike McCarthy or Dan Quinn who have been fired before and free to fail and start over.

The Rooneys have invested significant esoteric social capital in keeping Tomlin in that position and the social credit imputed to their values as an organization to the point Tomlin isn't evaluated like other coaches who have 8 year playoff droughts would be..

Art even said two years ago "I don't evaluate Mike Tomlin on anything other than I'm glad he's our head coach."

I haven't seen that statement before, but if Art actually said it then we know where the future is headed. We can all ***** and moan, but it's like pissing in the wind....

 

[SteelerSask2]

Probably impossible but.....If all the season ticket holders would pick a game to sell their tickets to the other team fans say like the Ravens......that would raise some eyebrows perhaps. Season ticket holders seem to be selling more and more as the years go on anyway.

This is a money idea but I'd think a lot would be scooped by Steelers fans anyhow. And I'd imagine Ravens week would be a hard week to get people together in protest.

 

[Aussie_Steeler]

I haven't seen that statement before, but if Art actually said it then we know where the future is headed. We can all ***** and moan, but it's like pissing in the wind....

The comment was made in an interview which is on YouTube at Tomlin interview. It was one sentence in a broader overall statement responding to a question about Tomlin's future. If you go to 4:47 on the video I linked you can hear the totality what Rooney said about Tomlin and make your own assessment of the meaning of that specific comment within the context of everything Rooney said about Tomlin. In particular immediately before the "I'm glad he's our coach" bit, Rooney did state in terms of assessing his performance he looks at whether the team performance improved over the course of the season and he said it clearly did (bear in mind this interview was in January 2023 and looking at the 2022 season). To me it seems what he was basically saying was he was happy with the fact the Steelers are in and around the playoffs nearly every year and in his mind that gives them a chance to compete at the pointy end of the season, notwithstanding they haven't actually done so since the Super Bowl loss to Green Bay (apart from a brief flirtation with the pointy end in the year of the AFC Championship loss to New England).

I also think if you look at the Jim Rooney article that has been linked in threads on this forum, that gives you an idea of where the future is headed.

Unfortunately whether you, we or anyone else likes it or not, the goals of the ownership of a sporting franchise may not be the same as the fans. The fans generally have one goal that represents the vast majority of what they want from the teams they support, which is WIN. Owners of the sports franchise have making a profit and increasing it's value as a major goal, along with winning, they also may have other goals such as community connections and personal development of their employees (both of which seem to be a big thing with the Rooney family), or raising their own profile and status (not naming names, but there's a guy in Dallas who comes to mind). Fans may share an interest in some of the goals apart from winning but not to the same degree. Fans are also not as connected to the people and relationships a sports organisation has - it's easy for a fan to want an organisation to fire someone they don't know, nowhere near as easy for an employer to fire someone they have worked with over a long period of time, and whose results whilst not elite, are above average to good.

 

[Lloyd]

I haven't seen that statement before, but if Art actually said it then we know where the future is headed. We can all ***** and moan, but it's like pissing in the wind....

Not when he's embarrassed into action, like he was with Canada.

 

[Lloyd]

So if you have time, go google the Jim Rooney article on there are real rationales for playoff failures.
It’s a good read and after reading it will tell you exactly where this franchise sits today and what’s really important to the Rooney’s.
Jim Rooney is the brother of Art II,

I'm not sure if I read the correct article you're referring to. JIM SAYS THE STEELERS HAVE OUTPERFORMED PRETTY MUCH EVERYONE ELSE THE LAST 25 YEARS? Excuse me? KC? Pats? Any team that's won a playoff game the last 8 years? Because any team that has, has been more successful. He also blamed having no QB which he says isn't Fraudlin's fault. But he's not part of the team, so.....

 

[Lloyd]

The comment was made in an interview which is on YouTube at Tomlin interview. It was one sentence in a broader overall statement responding to a question about Tomlin's future. If you go to 4:47 on the video I linked you can hear the totality what Rooney said about Tomlin and make your own assessment of the meaning of that specific comment within the context of everything Rooney said about Tomlin. In particular immediately before the "I'm glad he's our coach" bit, Rooney did state in terms of assessing his performance he looks at whether the team performance improved over the course of the season and he said it clearly did (bear in mind this interview was in January 2023 and looking at the 2022 season). To me it seems what he was basically saying was he was happy with the fact the Steelers are in and around the playoffs nearly every year and in his mind that gives them a chance to compete at the pointy end of the season, notwithstanding they haven't actually done so since the Super Bowl loss to Green Bay (apart from a brief flirtation with the pointy end in the year of the AFC Championship loss to New England).

I also think if you look at the Jim Rooney article that has been linked in threads on this forum, that gives you an idea of where the future is headed.

Unfortunately whether you, we or anyone else likes it or not, the goals of the ownership of a sporting franchise may not be the same as the fans. The fans generally have one goal that represents the vast majority of what they want from the teams they support, which is WIN. Owners of the sports franchise have making a profit and increasing it's value as a major goal, along with winning, they also may have other goals such as community connections and personal development of their employees (both of which seem to be a big thing with the Rooney family), or raising their own profile and status (not naming names, but there's a guy in Dallas who comes to mind). Fans may share an interest in some of the goals apart from winning but not to the same degree. Fans are also not as connected to the people and relationships a sports organisation has - it's easy for a fan to want an organisation to fire someone they don't know, nowhere near as easy for an employer to fire someone they have worked with over a long period of time, and whose results whilst not elite, are above average to good.

But we aren't talking "elite" or anywhere close to it. Fraudlin, our head coach, has now gone 8 years without a playoff win. Zero. Now I challenge you to find any head coach who has kept his job after 8 years of not winning a single playoff game. Anyone come to mind? This confirms our suspicion: that making the playoffs and not possessing a losing record is all the Rooneys care about. That's it, it's good enough. Fraudlin is safe.

 

[KStilley]

But we aren't talking "elite" or anywhere close to it. Fraudlin, our head coach, has now gone 8 years without a playoff win. Zero. Now I challenge you to find any head coach who has kept his job after 8 years of not winning a single playoff game. Anyone come to mind? This confirms our suspicion: that making the playoffs and not possessing a losing record is all the Rooneys care about. That's it, it's good enough. Fraudlin is safe.

I think you missed his point, which was eloquently stated. Actually one of the better posts I’ve read recently.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Of course the great irony in all of this is that Tomlin cannot simply be judged as he should based on the content of his coaching record like Mike McCarthy or Dan Quinn who have been fired before and free to fail and start over.

The Rooneys have invested significant esoteric social capital in keeping Tomlin in that position and the social credit imputed to their values as an organization to the point Tomlin isn't evaluated like other coaches who have 8 year playoff droughts would be..

Art even said two years ago "I don't evaluate Mike Tomlin on anything other than I'm glad he's our head coach."

And that last line is why Mikey can be as ineffective as he wants for as long as he wants

Sadly now it’s just a groundhog’s day waiting period for Art to move his dumbazz on before any semblance of hope can return to SN

 

[Badcat]

Art, like his name sake, just wanted to win. The Steelers are a steadily winning franchise and the fear of going back to perennial losers. Dan wanted to win Championships, and he bucked trends to hiring minorities and scouting minority schools as an example to win those championships. We all want to see change and I believe almost all of us agree that the game has passed coach Tomlin by, evolving outside of his mindset. What the Steelers need is a Dan Rooney mindset of what is it going to take to win another championship.

 

[Lloyd]

I think you missed his point, which was eloquently stated. Actually one of the better posts I’ve read recently.

You don't understand the value of repetition, trying to help you. This ain't easy.

 

[Lloyd]

Art, like his name sake, just wanted to win. The Steelers are a steadily winning franchise and the fear of going back to perennial losers. Dan wanted to win Championships, and he bucked trends to hiring minorities and scouting minority schools as an example to win those championships. We all want to see change and I believe almost all of us agree that the game has passed coach Tomlin by, evolving outside of his mindset. What the Steelers need is a Dan Rooney mindset of what is it going to take to win another championship.

Anything other than Art II "500 is good enough" Rooney. Fans are demanding better.

 

[KStilley]

You don't understand the value of repetition, trying to help you. This ain't easy.

Well then, you just keep on keeping on as we all know you will.

 

[slashsteel]

Well then, you just keep on keeping on as we all know you will.

Oh yeah he has a lot more idiot to share. A lot.

 

[MT~Forged]

Badcat’s position is a very good analogy.
Art 1 - wanted to win, but really didn’t knowhow to do it
Dan - wanted to win, and took the risks to make it happen
Art 2 - wants to win, but not at the risk of “rocking” the boat
Next up - I would expect that they want to win too, but again, not at the risk of potentially making less money.

 

[Lloyd]

Badcat’s position is a very good analogy.
Art 1 - wanted to win, but really didn’t knowhow to do it
Dan - wanted to win, and took the risks to make it happen
Art 2 - wants to win, but not at the risk of “rocking” the boat
Next up - I would expect that they want to win too, but again, not at the risk of potentially making less money.

Sadly, that might well be the case. Art II totally sees like a "Let's not get too crazy, .500 ball is enough to keep the stands full." How else can he be describe. He literally feels like as long as we have a "non-losing" record, things are fine. He did speak out on not having a win for such a long span wasn't cool, but it took him to 7 years before he even mentioned it. We are now in year 8 so look out; a single win the the playoffs is in order.

 

[MTC]

The Steelers and Arts approach seems more business and brand based.

Art is eventually gonna have to cater to the football side again to keep the incoming fans happy.

This team is marketed at a kfc in mexico for fricks sake. Football wins need to happen to keep the brand going for our south of border fans

 

[MT~Forged]

Real fans are not motivated enough to be inconvenienced

 

[MTC]

Real fans are not motivated enough to be inconvenienced

Spectator sports is not as exciting as it once was.

I personally feel like I have too much going on to put aside 3 hours to watch people doing their job.

I keep the games to a minimum now so it keeps me excited as a fan. Otherwise like anything in life over saturation ruins the spirit

 

[SojournerSteel]

Badcat’s position is a very good analogy.
Art 1 - wanted to win, but really didn’t knowhow to do it
Dan - wanted to win, and took the risks to make it happen
Art 2 - wants to win, but not at the risk of “rocking” the boat
Next up - I would expect that they want to win too, but again, not at the risk of potentially making less money.

Art II is like the career politician now who has lived at the trough so long the only thing that matters is reelection and there really are no hills to die on -- or conquer for that matter. Just keep the gravy train going for him and his.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

I find it interesting that everyone assumes that the front office is fine with their HC because of the never a losing season situation.

I suggest they would be OK with 8-9 seasons as well, as long as the revenue keeps coming in and the media keeps bathing them in platitudes about what a wonderful and historic organization they are.