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Pickens would not have had this success here

Phoenix1172 said:
The Cowboys got the better end of the Pickens trade, times 100. Tomlin should get more heat for not being able to control these types of players better before things get critical. Like with AB, he can't reign in the behavior before it becomes a problem they can't come back from.

Pickens is having an all pro year with the Cowboys and will be laughing all the way to the bank and thankful he got out from under Tomlin before it was too late. Had he played for the Steelers this year, he'd probably have half the receiving yards he has now (probably a lot less) and maybe one TD. He'd also be constantly a malcontent in the locker room and on the field due to not getting the ball. It will only be a matter of time before DK starts to AJ Brown the team out of frustration as well.

Seeing the Cowboys get one over on the Steelers makes it even more painful.
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Whoa...

Coach Tomlin held AB in check for quite sometime until AB got his salad tossed by Burfict. He had more patience in those days.

I hate the George situation but those two cannot be compared...
 
bigben said:
If DK had the ball skills or athleticism to jump more than 6 inches off the ground or at the very least knock it away like a 5'10 Roman Wilson was able to do?


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Those plays are all completely different situations.

The ball was so badly underthrown it hit DKs forearm and Bears dude snatched it up. There is no way to compare that play on the sideline to the play you showed on the hashes or wherever it was, but it was not the sideline. DK is trying to make a play and stay in bounds like he has on all the other incredible catches he's made with the GOAT throwing him the ball... not Rudy the Check Down Reindeer.

The Bears DB is twisted sideways as his knee hits and he falls out of bounds with the ball cradled and locked against his chest..there is no way to take it away from him.

You can add physics to the other things you are confused by.


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DK is on pace for 65 receptions for 886 yards and 8 TDs. That's right between Pickens first and third year in Pittsburgh. That's also without using him as a deep threat at all.
 
Coryea said:
All QB's have poor games, Tom Brady's last pass in NE was a pick 6 in the playoffs vs Tenn. Name a QB that doesn't have those ****the bed moments? No one said Ben didn't have bad games/moments. I'll take the QB that helped us with 2 rings, and his warts. No one is disputing that Ben wasn't what he once was, but the point is he was surrounded with absolute sh!t that Tomlin drafted and brought in and hired. Everyone said Ben was holding Canada back because he didn't want to line up under center or he didn't want to run play fakes and turn his back to the defense, well guess what team either leads the nfl or is right near the bottom in the times they run play fakes and the #of times they line up under Center? That's right The Steelers and Ben and Canada aren't here, guess who is, Tomlin.
Ben has been gone 4 seasons now, what has Tomlin done at the QB position? What has Tomlin done to keep up with the offensive league the NFL has turned into? What has Tomlin done with the highest paid defense for 4 or 5 straight years? None of any of that has anything to do with Ben.
Cowher won playoff games with Neil, Kordell, Tomczak, Maddox, but the Tomlin backers say he shouldn't be expected to win in the post season with what he has at QB.
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Yeah I don't want to turn this into a whole thesis...

I won't argue that Tomlin does not love having the QB under center. He believes that gives the QB more time to scan the field, and he doesn't get any nasty surprises when you have a leaky O-line(which we have had for a long time) and he turns around. Part of that reasoning is you had for years a QB who was slow to read the field and made some of the most boneheaded decisions I have ever seen a QB make outside of a young John Elway. A QB who depended on moving around till some of the " sh!t" as you say got open because DBs can only cover so long. He got better as he got older from so much experience but then his scrambling ability was slowing down.

No one questions Ben's toughness, how much heart he had and the incredible plays he made, but his game was limited and it showed.. the time when he could really rack up yardage and make his stats shine was when he had AB. AB would have probably surpassed Rice as the GOAT receiver if he hadn't lost his mind. No one could run routes like that guy and get open like him.

I also won't argue that Tomlin and Co. can't pick a QB or develop one to save their lives. And all the vets he's brought in were scrap heap material except for Wilson and of course the GOAT.

As far as Cowher and Korky, or O'Donnell (which Neil was a much better QB than people give him credit for) That is not a real argument..it's an apples and oranges argument. The game was different back then. Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl....why? Because of the defense and running game the Rats had....much like Ben "won" the first one with the defense and running game we had.

Sure you had to have an adequate QB even back then to get to and win a Super Bowl, and that's what Cowher almost did with O'Donnell and Billick did do with Dilfer.

So you're argument is it's Tomlin meddling with the offense and/or he imposing his phillosophy on whomever becomes OC. That may be true, but with the right talent that can be overcome. Like I said in another post ALL offenses come from Walsh and the West Coast Offense. You have to have talent more than scheme. And that's what Tomlin and the organization can be blamed for. They have never completely sold out to build a champion...again: it's just smoke and mirrors.
 
Gildong Sack said:
So you're argument is it's Tomlin meddling with the offense and/or he imposing his phillosophy on whomever becomes OC. That may be true, but with the right talent that can be overcome. Like I said in another post ALL offenses come from Walsh and the West Coast Offense. You have to have talent more than scheme. And that's what Tomlin and the organization can be blamed for. They have never completely sold out to build a champion...again: it's just smoke and mirrors.
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What do you mean by "sold out" to build?
 
SteelerFan448 said:
What do you mean by "sold out" to build?
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Bring in ALL the talent we need to win it ALL in the next few years....not half azzing it to stay middle of the pack. That's exactly what it is with this organization.

When Dan was running it they still had desire and hunger...seems to me everyone is a little too comfortable. Tomlin's post game PC in Chicago was as non chalant as I've ever seen him. Wasn't even irritated or bothered in the slightest by the loss.

" It's tight when it's good on good." WHAT? The Bears pulled guys out of the lines at the concession stands to play defense at one point. Like I said in several posts here: this organization is not to be taken seriously anymore. This is a crushing defeat and he sounds like it's no biggie.

The propaganda starts about 1:20

 
bermudasteel said:
Whoa...

Coach Tomlin held AB in check for quite sometime until AB got his salad tossed by Burfict. He had more patience in those days.

I hate the George situation but those two cannot be compared...
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"We want volunteers, not hostages", someone once said.
 
Gildong Sack said:
Bring in ALL the talent we need to win it ALL in the next few years....not half azzing it to stay middle of the pack. That's exactly what it is with this organization.

When Dan was running it they still had desire and hunger...seems to me everyone is a little too comfortable. Tomlin's post game PC in Chicago was as non chalant as I've ever seen him. Wasn't even irritated or bothered in the slightest by the loss.

" It's tight when it's good on good." WHAT? The Bears pulled guys out of the lines at the concession stands to play defense at one point. Like I said in several posts here: this organization is not to be taken seriously anymore. This is a crushing defeat and he sounds like it's no biggie.

The propaganda starts about 1:20

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I agree he didn't seem to care about the loss, at least compared to many of his other PCs after close losses. It's also a guy who show signs he has zero pressure to win.

The front office is trying to build through the draft while taking an interesting approach with free agency. There's been a lot of signings, including some splash, but they also leave a hole or two open.

The Rams are a team that rebuilt very quickly following their Super Bowl and a 5-win season filled with injuries. Quality contributors from top to bottom in the draft and shrewd veteran acquisitions. They built through the trenches and got star power from their picks. I think the Steelers have good drafts, but they aren't getting these guys in position to shine.

Look at these drafts. There's a lot of good players on this list and a lot of untapped potential. The 2024 draft was insane pulling 3 good starters for the offensive line. I think the focus in 2026 will be on the outside with WR and CB, probably a DL as well. QB is still a huge issue.

2023
1. Broderick Jones - below average starter
2. Joey Porter Jr. - he gets penalized, but has played very well this year
3. Keeanu Benton - finally showing his upside as a pass rusher, not a great run defender but has a role
3. Darnell Washington - starting tight end
4. Nick Herbig - best pass rusher on the roster...yes, I said it
7. Cory Trice - injured too much
7. Spencer Anderson - key contributor as extra blocker
2024
1. Troy Fautanu - has elite traits and has played very well
2. Zach Frazier - top-10 center, very good
3. Roman Wilson - who knows what they are doing with him
3. Payton Wilson - highs and lows, but he's been settling into his spot in recent weeks, still big upside
4. Mason McCormick - good starter
6. Logan Lee
6. Ryan Watts
2025
1. Derrick Harmon - good run defender so far, the pass rush will take time
3. Kaleb Johnson - disappointing
4. Jack Sawyer - key backup
5. Yahya Black - rotational backup
6. Will Howard - we'll see
7. Carson Bruener - key special teams player
7. Donte Kent
 
SteelerFan448 said:
I agree he didn't seem to care about the loss, at least compared to many of his other PCs after close losses. It's also a guy who show signs he has zero pressure to win.

The front office is trying to build through the draft while taking an interesting approach with free agency. There's been a lot of signings, including some splash, but they also leave a hole or two open.

The Rams are a team that rebuilt very quickly following their Super Bowl and a 5-win season filled with injuries. Quality contributors from top to bottom in the draft and shrewd veteran acquisitions. They built through the trenches and got star power from their picks. I think the Steelers have good drafts, but they aren't getting these guys in position to shine.

Look at these drafts. There's a lot of good players on this list and a lot of untapped potential. The 2024 draft was insane pulling 3 good starters for the offensive line. I think the focus in 2026 will be on the outside with WR and CB, probably a DL as well. QB is still a huge issue.

2023
1. Broderick Jones - below average starter
2. Joey Porter Jr. - he gets penalized, but has played very well this year
3. Keeanu Benton - finally showing his upside as a pass rusher, not a great run defender but has a role
3. Darnell Washington - starting tight end
4. Nick Herbig - best pass rusher on the roster...yes, I said it
7. Cory Trice - injured too much
7. Spencer Anderson - key contributor as extra blocker
2024
1. Troy Fautanu - has elite traits and has played very well
2. Zach Frazier - top-10 center, very good
3. Roman Wilson - who knows what they are doing with him
3. Payton Wilson - highs and lows, but he's been settling into his spot in recent weeks, still big upside
4. Mason McCormick - good starter
6. Logan Lee
6. Ryan Watts
2025
1. Derrick Harmon - good run defender so far, the pass rush will take time
3. Kaleb Johnson - disappointing
4. Jack Sawyer - key backup
5. Yahya Black - rotational backup
6. Will Howard - we'll see
7. Carson Bruener - key special teams player
7. Donte Kent
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I definitely agree on Herbig. Highsmith is an overpaid underachiever.
 
If they keep coach cliche through his contract, it won't matter who's in the huddles or the coordinators. This is 100% Mike and his ****** "standard".
 
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