You may be right. I wonder if I am just too damn old that I do not relate in any way to these players. I have never done social media of any kind. Unless a forum considered social media.
Pickens would not have had this success here
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I would have kept Pickens for this one season and then let him move on. Could have/would have possibly changed our entire offense. We will never know of course. This entire team needs overhauled and blown up anyways. From the top to the bottom.
Yeah. It would have been interesting, either watching the explosive offense or watching Aaron Rodgers explode because Pickens didn't do something Rodgers wanted. And I wouldn't be blaming Pickens all the time. Rodgers is a bit peckish, to say the least. But if you believe some of the stuff out there, the players had enough of him and wanted him gone. It just would have been a bad situation if that is true. And I agree about the overhaul. Boy, would it be refreshing.
Yeah, listened to Gerry Dulac yesterday and there was alot of stuff Pickens related that he was doing that wasn't even public knowledge, the players and coaches didn't want to deal with him/it anymore
Huh???
I'll agree that Coach Tomlin is responsible for keeping Coach Canada as OC too long; but it really concerns me when I hear that he runs the offense.
I can't remember/recall ONE GAME/SEASON that he's ever had a play sheet in his hands and make strategic calls for the offense. Never. And I'd go as far to say that I haven't seen it on defense either.
If he's memorized the game plan on both sides of the ball we better never let the genius go (ok, I know that playbook is not that complex but still)!!!
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If you look what Pickens did with one of the New York city benched quarterbacks (Russ) before Pickens injury. That shows what George could do in this passing game with a below average quarterback. It’s impossible to compare what George would do with Aaron passing him the ball and only a fool would try to use statistics without relevance to prove a point. But I would say it’s safe to say Rodgers and Rudolph are a better passing threat than Russ and Justin. Thus DK should have better numbers than George did last year. This is not the case. DK is on pace to similar numbers with playing all 17 games while George missed three due to injury.
George is head and shoulders a better wide receiver than DK. Trading George for nothing and trading for DK and giving him a huge contract was a mistake.
George is head and shoulders a better wide receiver than DK. Trading George for nothing and trading for DK and giving him a huge contract was a mistake.
I didn’t see where he said he runs the O, he is responsible for both sides of the ball in what direction what schematic he wants them to play. He also is responsible for adjustments or lack there of as he has the final say. That is for all head coaches.
The offense has looked very similar under Randy, Canada, and Smith with multiple QB's. All super conservative, very little uptempo/no huddle, very few throws over the middle. Tomlin has a huge say in what happens with this offense.
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Lol....funny post. How many OCs have we gone through who happen to run basically the exact sub highschool offensive system? We went to this conservative offensive because Tomlin thought he had TOP defense in the league. Yes. He mandated his coordinator to play low risk. Sure....his OC called the plays...but this has been a Tomlin led offense...schematicly and philosophically.
Don’t forget one little fact Berm…..CMT also hired Canada as well.
You know Berm…….I have read your posts for many years. Obviously you have been involved in office/corporate structure in your occupation,and as a veteran you have always dealt with the higher up’s. I’m sure you’ve dealt with department heads/ bosses nonstop.
To hint that Tomlin isn’t involved in the offense play calling and then saying the “ defense either”. Seriously.
He’s the HC. Of course the game plan runs through him. I’m quite sure they script X amount of plays they will use has all been ok’d by him. The buck stops at the top. Judging by the way the offense and defense has been run the same for several years,despite different personnel the one constant is MT. The buck stops with him. We are close to the bottom in several categories in offense and defense. The buck stops with him.
Shall be an interesting rest of the season. Who will be accountable at the end? Or perhaps reap the praise?
Which WR/TE can get open, consistently, and catch over the middle???
A friend wants to know.
Appreciate you brother!
Sometimes, I like to play devil's advocate.
I know some think I'm a ride or die Coach Tomlin homer - I appreciate his tenure but do seek longer success in the playoffs and want #7 - I don't care which coach gets us there!
Yes, George and CeeDee missed curfew. Oh, the horror.
It's not a narrative. It's common sense that a team's won/loss record depends on many different factors, and trying to marry the value of wide receivers who are at or near the top of the league in production to overall team failure is futile. Whether they are considered "headcases" or not.
There are many more examples of WRs who led the league in receiving on teams who "didn't win" than there are examples of ones who won the Super Bowl. See Ja'Marr Chase, Justin Jefferson, Tyreek Hill with Miami, Stephon Diggs with Buffalo, etc., etc., etc. In fact, there's only been ONE GUY in the past THIRTY years who led the NFL in receiving yards and also won the Super Bowl in the same season, since Jerry Rice did it in 1994 -- Cooper Kupp with the Rams in 2021.
So your own narrative saying that there is some correlation with the Steelers not winning while they had Antonio Brown because he was not "worth it" really means nothing at all.
Im never really a fan of the Steelers trade timing. id have kept him till the deadline and dealt him for real value
But the guys priorities are real wrong.. he is happy as a clam on Dallas right now.
Dallas has a losing record and is in 10th place in the NFC playoff picture and they are 3.5 back in the division... In a conference where Detroit is currently outside of the playoffs, they are pretty much already out of contention... but he is stating up, so its cool
But the guys priorities are real wrong.. he is happy as a clam on Dallas right now.
Dallas has a losing record and is in 10th place in the NFC playoff picture and they are 3.5 back in the division... In a conference where Detroit is currently outside of the playoffs, they are pretty much already out of contention... but he is stating up, so its cool
Did they do a discipline or didn't they? It wasn't much, but they did something. Just by doing it somebody gave a shiit.
If I was running an organization that was not winning and had guys who were too much pain the asss, I'd ship them out. I'd deal with more if I was winning. That's not blaming players for losing, it's just saying we aren't gonna lose AND deal with your shiit.
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The narritive of AB was about him being a cancer to the club. Changed the the culture. His production was historic. At least that is the way I seen us not winning anything with AB.
you get the picture.... but i dont.
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So, what does the head coach do? I've read players play, GM and scouts are responsible for roster construction, and now the co-ordinators are solely responsible for the on-field strategies. Why do the Steelers have a head coach, as it seems he is just a figurehead?
Just because Tomlin doesn't have a playsheet in his hand, doesn't mean he doesn't make or have final say on strategic calls, or doesn't signoff on the co-ordinators' approach. You don't think if a co-ordinator's philosophy, game planning and play calling aren't working, he doesn't have the power to direct the co-ordinator to change it for future games at least, or give the co-ordinator some in game direction and suggestions? Or, given you have referenced playcalling and in-game strategic calls, you think on 4th and 1 with the ball 30 yards out, the Steelers down 10 points, with two minutes to go, the call on whether to go for it or take the field goal, isn't going to ultimately be the head coach's call?
Asked and answered good sir...
OK.
I'm not a believer in the this guy is a cancer to the team argument. If a player is performing at a high level on the field, people will look the other way. AB's culture issues (whatever you believe those to be) were not the reason that those Steelers teams didn't succeed in the playoffs, and nobody in Dallas will really care abut GP's attitude as long as he keeps putting up 91 yards a game.
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Again: things are not that simple. He only played with Njigba for two years. In 23 he had a rib bruise injury that caused him to miss 1 game and he was active after that , but probably not 100% for a few games. In 24 he had an MCL that caused him to miss two games..again probably not 100% till a few more weeks after that.
Njigba has Darnold throwing to him now not Geno Smith...in fact DK did not like Smith at all. The feeling was mutual according to Seahawks players speaking off the record. How much did that play into their on field relationship?
How much did the complete change of regime from Carroll to MacDonald affect DK as far as scheme and philosophy? DK had been requesting a trade for a few years before the regime change, how did that affect the dynamic?
Stats are like a bikini as the saying goes.....
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Fichtner got Ben when he was washed. Canada...is Canada. Smith has not been given anything but hot garbage after Metcalf. Not saying Tomlin is innocent in all this he gets plenty of blame for his meddling, but let's keep it real.
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Smith’s approach hasn’t changed since he was head coached canned. He still rotates players far too often not giving them the continuity they need.
That is my beef with him. I like him other than that..