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Official Steelers training camp thread (updates)

Any scout that is worth something can see "maxed out" when it's in front of them.

Jarvis Jones was maxed out. He was 23. His frame couldn't get any bigger. He was still getting most of this sacks in college by "effort" more than "physicallity". What the hell did we expect? I liked Jones but not as a first rounder. And in fact his best position in the pros was probably SAM in a traditional 4-3 set that likes to blitz. Think a poor man's Von Miller back when Denver played a 4-3 and before they got Ware on the opposite side. That's Jones' best position in the NFL. Not weakside OLB in a 3-4 where pressure is king. Not with his short arms and lack of explosion.

Can Jones get 10 sacks? Sure.... I guess. But he's not an impact player and we all know it. And this defense is CRAVING an impact player somewhere and no one cares where.
 
If we would have had minute by minute updates in the 70s we all would have thought Jack Lambert would suck. He did not fair well in things like the Oklahoma drill and so on.

No, I am not comparing Jarvis Jones to Jack Lambert. I am just trying to add perspective.

I am also trying to be positive, because I hated the Jones pick. Like a lot of you guys, I saw this coming after watching him some in college. But right now I am going to tell myself that he just doesn't fair well in these drills in practice.
 
Sucks for Jarvis but Moats will be starting ahead of him anyway.Moats look decent last year and has looked good so far in OTA's and camp.
 
If one of Durpee or Chickarillo can get ahead of Jarvis before TC is over, that says a lot.

If both can, than it is very hard not to label him a bust.

Much pathway still to travel.
 
Yes its early and camp drills aren't a precursor to real time play, but its more than fair to start comparing Jarvis to some of the bigger busts the steelers have had. At best he is well behind the curve a top 20 pick should have in the NFL. At worse he is a mediocre talent that could have been found much later in the draft
 
Said to my kid the best we can hope for with Jones is that he becomes serviceable like Ziggy Hood and then let him go. In that light they would have got a first round star in Bell and not really ever pay Jarvis much which is the good part of the new CBA.
 
I don't see much hope for jarvis. If this was his first year then maybe he would get the benefit of the doubt. As a top 20 pick he has looked bad in games and practice. If he was a 4th rounder i bet he would have been long gone
 
Pretty much sums it up above. If he was a 4th pick the best he'd be is special teams guy or practice squad player. But being a first round pick he gets a shot to start every year i.e. Troy Edwards.
 
Jarvis stinks..and we all know it.
 
After 2 years I say his draft status should not matter at all. You put the best players on the team. If Howard Jones or Chickillo beat him out for roster spots so be it. I do understand not giving up on a high pick year one and even year two to an extent. But year three it's time to see why you were drafted so high.
 
FordFairLane said:
After 2 years I say his draft status should not matter at all. You put the best players on the team. If Howard Jones or Chickillo beat him out for roster spots so be it. I do understand not giving up on a high pick year one and even year two to an extent. But year three it's time to see why you were drafted so high.
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In fairness Jones was hurt almost all last year. They aren't going to give up on him unless he is so bad they can't justify keeping him on the field. My guess is that he will be half serviceable and they'll stick with him until his rookie contract runs out.
 
Vader said:
In fairness Jones was hurt almost all last year. They aren't going to give up on him unless he is so bad they can't justify keeping him on the field. My guess is that he will be half serviceable and they'll stick with him until his rookie contract runs out.
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yeap, I'd bet on that happening
 
Being a first rounder does give you some lee way. It would have to. I would say at this point if he was clearly not one of the 4-5 or whatever they would keep best, he would be gone. You couldn't expose yourself to losing say a Chickillo if he looked much better over pride and his 2 million of guaranteed money. i would hope.
 
Speaking of wasted high draft picks, Haley says it will be hard to get Archer on field much in 2015,

http://www.Invalid Link - Check SN ...dd-haley-sirius-interview-2015-training-camp/

Wasted a #3 pick on a limited poor return man.
 
Dri needs to be the returned we thought he would be (as he was in college) and start there. Return specialist this year with a few touches here and there is about the most he can hope for right now. We do have a ton of talent on O. It is a good problem to have.
 
Steelbar said:
Speaking of wasted high draft picks, Haley says it will be hard to get Archer on field much in 2015,

http://www.Invalid Link - Check SN ...dd-haley-sirius-interview-2015-training-camp/

Wasted a #3 pick on a limited poor return man.
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IMO Leveon Bell development into the best 3 down back is what makes it hard. No one saw that coming at least I didn't. And I loved him as our pick over Lacy. But his development last year into what he is now was not expected. He is indispensable. Our best back in all three phases. Running blocking and catching. People claim we need to give him less work but who else is as good as him picking up blitzes. No one in the NFL maybe. The chemistry with Ben on the checkdown will only get better. Haley will be hard pressed to find Archer playing time and it really doesn't have to do with Archer's talent or lack of. It's Bell out of this world development. One way going forward is if the wheels fall off Millers game we could use Bell in those spots and Dri out the backfield. Just a thought but Bell isn't coming off the field. Hopefully Dri forces his way on the field by making some big plays when he has a chance.
 
jitter77 said:
I don't see much hope for jarvis. If this was his first year then maybe he would get the benefit of the doubt. As a top 20 pick he has looked bad in games and practice. If he was a 4th rounder i bet he would have been long gone
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Vader said:
In fairness Jones was hurt almost all last year. They aren't going to give up on him unless he is so bad they can't justify keeping him on the field. My guess is that he will be half serviceable and they'll stick with him until his rookie contract runs out.
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My memory can't compete with anyone, especially guys like " total recall Vader " but haven't the Steelers gained a reputation for hangin' on too long on occasion ?

We still have DHB and Cam Thomas, although they weren't high draft picks like Adams and McFadden.
 
antdrewjosh said:
IMO Leveon Bell development into the best 3 down back is what makes it hard. No one saw that coming at least I didn't. And I loved him as our pick over Lacy. But his development last year into what he is now was not expected. He is indispensable. Our best back in all three phases. Running blocking and catching. People claim we need to give him less work but who else is as good as him picking up blitzes. No one in the NFL maybe. The chemistry with Ben on the checkdown will only get better. Haley will be hard pressed to find Archer playing time and it really doesn't have to do with Archer's talent or lack of. It's Bell out of this world development. One way going forward is if the wheels fall off Millers game we could use Bell in those spots and Dri out the backfield. Just a thought but Bell isn't coming off the field. Hopefully Dri forces his way on the field by making some big plays when he has a chance.
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Great points on Bell, he has quickly become the best all around back in the NFL.
 
Steelbar said:
Speaking of wasted high draft picks, Haley says it will be hard to get Archer on field much in 2015,

http://www.Invalid Link - Check SN ...dd-haley-sirius-interview-2015-training-camp/

Wasted a #3 pick on a limited poor return man.
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I would line up Archer for his touches as a threat for a screen or really run it. There is this thing called a screen pass and for what ever reason other teams run it well, but the Steelers do not. Id also line him up in single back and go empty and move him to slot and force the defense to declare itself. If you can get anyone that fast into space he can create a huge mismatch or at least threat/ decoy.
 
SteelChip said:
My memory can't compete with anyone, especially guys like " total recall Vader " but haven't the Steelers gained a reputation for hangin' on too long on occasion ?

We still have DHB and Cam Thomas, although they weren't high draft picks like Adams and McFadden.
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DHB was the 7th overall pick. Not sure I understand what you're saying there.
 
SteelChip said:
My memory can't compete with anyone, especially guys like " total recall Vader " but haven't the Steelers gained a reputation for hangin' on too long on occasion ?

We still have DHB and Cam Thomas, although they weren't high draft picks like Adams and McFadden.
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Not sure how the Steelers reputation is among other teams. No team can afford to give up on a 1st round picks too soon. They stuck with Hood but mostly because they had no one else and he was serviceable if not good. I can't blame them for doing everything they can to get their 1st rounders to succeed. It sets the entire organization back if those guys don't pan out. I don't even remember the last 1st rounder that was cut before his rookie contract was out... Edwards?
 
antdrewjosh said:
IMO Leveon Bell development into the best 3 down back is what makes it hard. No one saw that coming at least I didn't. And I loved him as our pick over Lacy. But his development last year into what he is now was not expected. He is indispensable. Our best back in all three phases. Running blocking and catching. People claim we need to give him less work but who else is as good as him picking up blitzes. No one in the NFL maybe. The chemistry with Ben on the checkdown will only get better. Haley will be hard pressed to find Archer playing time and it really doesn't have to do with Archer's talent or lack of. It's Bell out of this world development. One way going forward is if the wheels fall off Millers game we could use Bell in those spots and Dri out the backfield. Just a thought but Bell isn't coming off the field. Hopefully Dri forces his way on the field by making some big plays when he has a chance.
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One of my arguments against drafting him at the time was that Bell was a very good all around RB that could catch out of the backfield. He had 45 catches and 400 yards in 2013 in just 13 games. Not sure how it surprised anyone. Several people made the exact same argument. Any time you put Archer on the field you are taking away balls from Bell, Miller, AB, Wheaton, Bryant, and now Coates. And that doesn't count the FA signing of Williams who will want something during the year.
 
Steelerfan81 said:
DHB was the 7th overall pick. Not sure I understand what you're saying there.
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Wasn't that pick one of those Al Davis head-scratching Raiders picks?
Not knocking DHB, just trying to remember if it was a "...what are they doing, oh yeah it's the Raiders..." moment from that draft.
 
Steelbar said:
Speaking of wasted high draft picks, Haley says it will be hard to get Archer on field much in 2015,

http://www.Invalid Link - Check SN ...dd-haley-sirius-interview-2015-training-camp/

Wasted a #3 pick on a limited poor return man.
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That's cause they can't find his tiny *** out there in the high grass.
 
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