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Not many good edge rushers left

Tomlin and Porter went to Kentuckys pro day , both Dupree and Smith are possibilities in the draft. Out of whats left in FA, id go after Orakpo if he is willing to sign a smaller, incentive laden deal. If not, bring back the Deebonator . . .
 
James harrison ...QuIcklyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
 
freak said:
James harrison ...QuIcklyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
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They may already have an agreement to sign James during training camp or sometime right after. The only places I could see James entertaining offers from at this point would be Tennessee, and Arizona. James came back to play for Pittsburgh last year and was not interested in going somewhere else. The only reason I think he might go to the other two places would be because of some of the players they have that were former Steelers and LeBeau in Tennessee, James was very defensive of coach LeBeau at times during the season and would likely want to play for him again.
 
One less available,...Orakpo signed with the Titans.
 
If Harrison is really coming back, you don't sign him now.

Let the veteran have no OTA's. Let the veteran not have to worry about mandatory meetings and bullshit like that.

Hell, even the first two weeks of training camp he doesn't need. We all know he's in shape. The coaches know it. The GM knows it.

Just sign him around August 15th and give him the summer off.
 
deljzc said:
If Harrison is really coming back, you don't sign him now.

Let the veteran have no OTA's. Let the veteran not have to worry about mandatory meetings and bullshit like that.

Hell, even the first two weeks of training camp he doesn't need. We all know he's in shape. The coaches know it. The GM knows it.

Just sign him around August 15th and give him the summer off.
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yep - him training at the Steelers facility shows them he's in shape.
also leads me to believe there is a handshake agreement going on.
 
The titans also signed Morgan.
 
deljzc said:
You know, people all wonder why I get so worked up about some of this regime's draft picks.

Every free agency period tells you why.

There are CLEAR positions that just cost a LOT of money if you don't get them in the draft. Pass rushers? Offensive Line? Cornerbacks? Good luck finding any value if you are stuck up against it and need someone to start.

You know what positions DON'T cost a lot of money? How about special teamers. Returners. Backup quarterbacks. Inside linebackers. Even centers (Stefan Wisniewski has made if through 3 days of free agency unsigned).

Notice my problem with Tombert now?

Why are we using the precious few draft choices we have on players like Dri Archer and Landry Jones? Why? Even in the most wildest of expectations, those players don't develop into anything more than mid-level free agents. Never. Even if Landry Jones becomes a great backup, completely shows up Bruce Gradkowski in practice and preseason games, when he hits the free agent market, he's getting a 2-year, $5 million contract. That's it.

And Dri Archer? What would be his PEAK in free agency? Really, anyone here that liked the pick, please tell me based on the contracts you see so far in free agency what his value could have been even if the pick was a huge success?

I want to know.

Because when you look around at free agency, you start to understand why I get so frustrated with Tombert and their RESOURCE MANAGEMENT. A draft pick is a resource. Ideally, you turn that resource into something of VALUE. And what is value in the NFL? It's when you have players on your roster you are paying less than what they provide you on the field. It allows you to fill in the "holes" on your roster without mortgaging your future. Without guaranteeing huge amounts of money. How nice would it be if we have invested in OLB/pass rusher with those wasted QB's and "return specialists" or special teamers (like, say, a punter?) and now have more choices and depth at that position rather than Jarvis Jones and Arthur Moats and (seriously) Jordan Zumwaldt?

This free agency period just shows exactly what I mean when I harp on and on and on about RESOURCE MANAGEMENT and how that is BY FAR the most important thing a general manager does in this business. Not scouting. Not player development. Not public relations. Not co-existing with the coach. Not watching film. It is understanding the value of picks (based on success rates throughout history), the value of positions (based on free agency spending trends) and the value of salary cap/cash dollars.

Anyone that has a great concept of those three factors can HIRE scouts to succeed/fail on draft picks just as good as anyone else (in fact, no GM has every truly distinguished himself at drafting so much better than anyone else in the history of the league). They can HIRE a guy to monitor and study free agency trends and positional values. And they can HIRE a guy to project salary cap/cash accounting over the next 3-4 years.

Unfortunately, no one seems to realize this is really all that matters.
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Very good post, del
 
QFTT since I can't rep you again.


deljzc said:
You know, people all wonder why I get so worked up about some of this regime's draft picks.

Every free agency period tells you why.

There are CLEAR positions that just cost a LOT of money if you don't get them in the draft. Pass rushers? Offensive Line? Cornerbacks? Good luck finding any value if you are stuck up against it and need someone to start.

You know what positions DON'T cost a lot of money? How about special teamers. Returners. Backup quarterbacks. Inside linebackers. Even centers (Stefan Wisniewski has made if through 3 days of free agency unsigned).

Notice my problem with Tombert now?

Why are we using the precious few draft choices we have on players like Dri Archer and Landry Jones? Why? Even in the most wildest of expectations, those players don't develop into anything more than mid-level free agents. Never. Even if Landry Jones becomes a great backup, completely shows up Bruce Gradkowski in practice and preseason games, when he hits the free agent market, he's getting a 2-year, $5 million contract. That's it.

And Dri Archer? What would be his PEAK in free agency? Really, anyone here that liked the pick, please tell me based on the contracts you see so far in free agency what his value could have been even if the pick was a huge success?

I want to know.

Because when you look around at free agency, you start to understand why I get so frustrated with Tombert and their RESOURCE MANAGEMENT. A draft pick is a resource. Ideally, you turn that resource into something of VALUE. And what is value in the NFL? It's when you have players on your roster you are paying less than what they provide you on the field. It allows you to fill in the "holes" on your roster without mortgaging your future. Without guaranteeing huge amounts of money. How nice would it be if we have invested in OLB/pass rusher with those wasted QB's and "return specialists" or special teamers (like, say, a punter?) and now have more choices and depth at that position rather than Jarvis Jones and Arthur Moats and (seriously) Jordan Zumwaldt?

This free agency period just shows exactly what I mean when I harp on and on and on about RESOURCE MANAGEMENT and how that is BY FAR the most important thing a general manager does in this business. Not scouting. Not player development. Not public relations. Not co-existing with the coach. Not watching film. It is understanding the value of picks (based on success rates throughout history), the value of positions (based on free agency spending trends) and the value of salary cap/cash dollars.

Anyone that has a great concept of those three factors can HIRE scouts to succeed/fail on draft picks just as good as anyone else (in fact, no GM has every truly distinguished himself at drafting so much better than anyone else in the history of the league). They can HIRE a guy to monitor and study free agency trends and positional values. And they can HIRE a guy to project salary cap/cash accounting over the next 3-4 years.

Unfortunately, no one seems to realize this is really all that matters.
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Greg Hardy, anyone?
(he has the domestic abuse charge)
 
deljzc said:
If Harrison is really coming back, you don't sign him now.

Let the veteran have no OTA's. Let the veteran not have to worry about mandatory meetings and bullshit like that.

Hell, even the first two weeks of training camp he doesn't need. We all know he's in shape. The coaches know it. The GM knows it.

Just sign him around August 15th and give him the summer off.
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Superman said:
yep - him training at the Steelers facility shows them he's in shape.
also leads me to believe there is a handshake agreement going on.
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there must be, and if the Orakpo signing with the titans is real we can guess that Harrison ain't going there
 
good analysis Del

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to deljzc again.
 
Superman said:
Greg Hardy, anyone?
(he has the domestic abuse charge)
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He's a monster and the domestic stuff was iffy, but scheme wise he's more of a questionable fit. Not sure where he plays in a 3/4 cause he'd be really big for an OLB and small for a DE.

What's the market for him, 2/10?
 
One last year for 92! I hope it's a great year for him and the Steelers
 
Face it, we are drafting a new OLB. Harrison may get resigned for depth. Here is what I would do as of now

1. sign Tramon Williams to a 3yr deal foa bout 4-5 mil/yr
2. reisign Harrison
3. Draft OLB in rd 1, even trade down if necessary for some like Eli Harold., CB in rd 2, trade up if necessary, safety in rd 3
 
ZACKB said:
Face it, we are drafting a new OLB. Harrison may get resigned for depth. Here is what I would do as of now

1. sign Tramon Williams to a 3yr deal foa bout 4-5 mil/yr
2. reisign Harrison
3. Draft OLB in rd 1, even trade down if necessary for some like Eli Harold., CB in rd 2, trade up if necessary, safety in rd 3
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I like that plan.
 
Even an old and slower Harrison will be the best outside linebacker on the team. James is not what he used to be. Sad thing is he still looks tremendously better than what we have seen from what is on the roster now.
 
Wingman said:
Even an old and slower Harrison will be the best outside linebacker on the team. James is not what he used to be. Sad thing is he still looks tremendously better than what we have seen from what is on the roster now.
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exactly unless we draft a monster ,that can start and impressed here immediately , harrison is still the best we have by far
 
Opinions please. If by some miracle Deebo is able to squeeze out one more pro bowl year, does that punch his eventual ticket to the HOF? (notice the word "eventual", as in not first ballot, probably not as quickly as The Bus, but "eventual").
 
SteelBuckeye said:
Opinions please. If by some miracle Deebo is able to squeeze out one more pro bowl year, does that punch his eventual ticket to the HOF? (notice the word "eventual", as in not first ballot, probably not as quickly as The Bus, but "eventual").
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LIke Rog would let that happen.....
 
SteelBuckeye said:
Opinions please. If by some miracle Deebo is able to squeeze out one more pro bowl year, does that punch his eventual ticket to the HOF? (notice the word "eventual", as in not first ballot, probably not as quickly as The Bus, but "eventual").
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I am not sure that James would get in. He had a slow initial start to his career and that will affect his numbers which is what a lot of the sports writer weenies look at. James in his prime was a house hold name that struck fear in every teem we played so much so that the Roger let other teams hold him like muther ******* with no flag. Holding was called differently on every other player in the game than for who ever was blocking James. James has made some all time great plays and had some exceptional seasons but they may not be enough to get him into the hall, Hell he may have more interceptions in his career than some corner backs!
 
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