More Tomlin Clock Mismanagement -- Honest to God, I Can't Take Much More

[Steeltime]

Seriously how in the **** is that even possible? Does he not know that he needed to use his TO on defense?

 

[Steelin]

But i thought Tomlin was a game manager. HahHaha. Please fire him.

 

[BAS]

It was Tomlin, and I don't think they "let" the Cards score. Fitz got a great break on an inside slant and the defense was split wide expecting a downfield throw. James ran his *** off trying to catch Fitz, but it wasn't going to happen.

I don’t recall ever hearing the Steelers let them score there. The only time I be heard of that was either Holmgren or Shanahan (forget which one) doing it in the Super Bowl to get the ball back.

You're both right, but I can see where the confusion might come in. While Tomlin never intended to have the defense 'let' the Cardinals score, he can be seen and heard during the the game highlight films that he was glad they scored fast and left a lot of time on the clock.

 

[Steelerfan]

Take the ping pong table away. That'll show him.

 

[Steelers12]

More movie nights instead of practice, build that team spirit Tomlin you imbecile.

 

[ark steel]

Oakland completes the long pass for a first-and-goal at the Steelers' 7. There's 1:53 left on the game clock, and the Steelers have two timeouts remaining.

As soon as the guy is tackled, I'm screaming at the TV for a timeout. Tomlin doesn't hear me. He lets Oakland bleed the play clock down to 4, they snap the ball at 1:16, and run the ball up the middle. 37 seconds gone.

Surely, surely they'll use one of the timeouts now with 1:10 left, yes? Tomlin thinks not. He lets Oakland run the play clock down to 5, they snap the ball at 0:34, and throw an incompletion. 36 seconds gone.


Does anyone else think the Steelers could have used an extra minute-thirteen there at the end of the game?

This ************ is going to give me a heart attack, if I'm not careful. I love the Steelers, but I've got to start investing less emotion in them, as long as Mike Tomlin is at the controls.

Normally, i can see what the coach might have been thinking. This time i couldn't think of any reason the TO shouldn't have been called. Although, i thought it was only one timeout. And i didnt care enough to go back and rewatch to see what was going on.

 

[Steeltime]

Although, i thought it was only one timeout. And i didnt care enough to go back and rewatch to see what was going on.

Nope, they had two timeouts. Did not have 3, of course, because they wasted one in the 3rd quarter due to the usual shitfest of not having the right players on the field.

And Tomlin spends the 1st after an incompletion, and has one still in his pocket with 5 seconds left on the game clock. Genius. ******* genius.

 

[Vader]

Nope, they had two timeouts. Did not have 3, of course, because they wasted one in the 3rd quarter due to the usual shitfest of not having the right players on the field.

And Tomlin spends the 1st after an incompletion, and has one still in his pocket with 5 seconds left on the game clock. Genius. ******* genius.

I understand he wanted the "right" defense called. However how hard is it to call the "Leave the TE wide ******* open" play? Did you really need a TO to set that up? Can't you call that on 3rd down?

 

[paperclip]

I thought he was in the hotseat last year, when the reports of minority-owners wanting him fired.

I'm not holding my breath. This team has been so frustrating for years.

 

[Steelerfreak]

I understand he wanted the "right" defense called. However how hard is it to call the "Leave the TE wide ******* open" play? Did you really need a TO to set that up? Can't you call that on 3rd down?

Now that you bring up the never cover a TE defense we use; I'm gonna blow a gasket watching the Polish Frankenstein go 8-130-2 this week.


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[topseed]

Anyone remember what Cowher did in the SB against the cards when he know our defense couldn't stop ****? he let them score and put the game in Bens hands, That is what a good coach would have done yesterday. Earlier this year Ben was on the side lines with less than two minutes to play saying they left us to much time and he was right. we just let them score last night and I believe with all my heart we win that game

I understand what you're saying, but in this case, there still would have been plenty of time to work with, even if Oakland doesn't score on the early downs...all that needs to be done is calling the timeouts. The Raiders are not going to run the ball (or pass it short in the field of play, which would keep the clock running) three times in a row, so you might as well give your defense a chance (however slim) there. In the unlikely event that they stop them, great, game over. If not, there's still enough time for Ben to come back and score.

It's Clock Management 101...evidently Tomlin was back in the lab and not in class that day.

 

[topseed]

Normally, i can see what the coach might have been thinking. This time i couldn't think of any reason the TO shouldn't have been called. Although, i thought it was only one timeout. And i didnt care enough to go back and rewatch to see what was going on.

Thank you for your candor.

No, it was two timeouts, and the reason the first one has to be called at the 1:50+ mark is that the clock is already running when it becomes first-and-goal at the 7. You are never going to save more time than you will in that situation, because it's after a long completion, the ball has to be set by the officials, and Oakland can take their sweet old time to call any play they want on first down. Which, btw, was a logical decision by Chucky to run the ball and force the Steelers to use a timeout while still having three shots at the endzone...oh, wait...what? Stupid Tomlin is STILL letting the clock run? BONUS!!!

 

[Lmob0621]

I would not agree with letting them score and it did take them to 4th down to score. How, though, do you not call the timeouts to stop the clock? With the clock mismanagement and the horrendous decisions on when to replay and when not to replay, Tomlin is the worst coach in the NFL on the two things in the NFL that you can control... I used to defend him years ago, but stopped a long time ago.

 

[paperclip]

possibly, if you don't call a time out and the other team doesn't call a time out, they are working in a sort of hurry up mode and time is running out. If the Defense* holds them on 4th and goal, we win.

If you call a time out, they have time to go over their play call and get everything right.

* apparently not our defense, though


and look, I've brought up Belichik several times recently, because short term memory in this place says that he is the best coach ever and never makes mistake. he did it at the end of a super bowl and it paid off. If it didn't, he would have been criticized.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2015/02/04/bill-belichick-super-bowl-timeout

Belichick said that he thought the Seahawks would run the ball against New England's defense -- which was drawn up to stop the run -- but that the Patriots quickly adjusted when they saw Seattle lined up with three wide receivers. The Patriots sent Butler in for linebacker Akeem Ayers just before Seattle snapped the ball.

"We saw that matchup and we certainly gave some consideration to taking a timeout there and leaving some time on the clock. I don't know if that would have been a bad thing to do. It might have been a good thing to do," Belichick said. "But it just seemed like -- in the flow of the game- that we were OK with where we were."

 

[topseed]

possibly, if you don't call a time out and the other team doesn't call a time out, they are working in a sort of hurry up mode and time is running out. If the Defense* holds them on 4th and goal, we win.

If you call a time out, they have time to go over their play call and get everything right.

* apparently not our defense, though


and look, I've brought up Belichik several times recently, because short term memory in this place says that he is the best coach ever and never makes mistake. he did it at the end of a super bowl and it paid off. If it didn't, he would have been criticized.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2015/02/04/bill-belichick-super-bowl-timeout

Belichick said that he thought the Seahawks would run the ball against New England's defense -- which was drawn up to stop the run -- but that the Patriots quickly adjusted when they saw Seattle lined up with three wide receivers. The Patriots sent Butler in for linebacker Akeem Ayers just before Seattle snapped the ball.

"We saw that matchup and we certainly gave some consideration to taking a timeout there and leaving some time on the clock. I don't know if that would have been a bad thing to do. It might have been a good thing to do," Belichick said. "But it just seemed like -- in the flow of the game- that we were OK with where we were."

You mean like Tomlin did, before the 4th down play, with the clock already stopped? To give Oakland time to go over their play and get everything right?

There's several distinct differences in your comparison there. First of all, Seattle called its own timeout after it became first-and-goal, and the clock was stopped anyway, because the receiver ran out-of-bounds after the completion. So the Seahawks dictated the pace of the game at that point. Also, there was much more time left in the Steelers' situation, 1:53 compared to 1:06. Tomlin let the Raiders run off almost 40 seconds before they even snapped the ball on first down.

Belichick makes in-game defensive adjustments on the fly which confuse opposing offenses, and win Super Bowls. Tomlin, by his own admission, makes little or no adjustments at all during a game, even at halftime.

The chess/checkers analogy isn't even close here. It's more like chess and tiddlywinks.

 

[paperclip]

I guess I blocked out of my memory what went down at the end of the game. I also didn't realize at the time, that they scored on 4th and goal.

I quickly deleted the game from my DVR.

 

[maowv]

We've been posting about this for years. The media has been writing about this for years.

Mike Tomlin is not good at situational awareness and clock management. He's never been good at it. He's never been mediocre at it. He is BAD.

Maybe it's numbers? Maybe math is just too hard for him?

Bottom line - he is never going to "develop" this skill. It's lost on him. So this organization should seriously take those responsibilities away from him and give them to someone else, anyone else, on that sideline. Certainly, one of the assistant coaches can handle basic math? The equipment manager has to maintain some basic math skills in order to count up to (at least) 53 since he transports that number of uniforms every week.

It's embarrassing that our coach makes the same mistakes over and over because he apparently cannot handle basic math equations in his head. Come to think of it, rather than take away those responsibilities, maybe we should just take away the problem?

It's time for Mike Tomlin to go. I have lost all faith in his ability to lead this team and by watching the players, I think many of them share that thought.

 

[Troglodyte]

Thank you for your candor.

No, it was two timeouts, and the reason the first one has to be called at the 1:50+ mark is that the clock is already running when it becomes first-and-goal at the 7. You are never going to save more time than you will in that situation, because it's after a long completion, the ball has to be set by the officials, and Oakland can take their sweet old time to call any play they want on first down. Which, btw, was a logical decision by Chucky to run the ball and force the Steelers to use a timeout while still having three shots at the endzone...oh, wait...what? Stupid Tomlin is STILL letting the clock run? BONUS!!!

Tomlin treats timeouts as if you can also use them to put time back on the clock. I’m convinced he fundamentally does not understand clock management and that it actually makes a difference how and when they are used.

 

[Steelers1356]

If I recall correctly Tomlin said in his press conference that he wanted to bait Oakland into running which is why he didn't use his timeouts. The problem is Oakland took its sweet time setting up the 1st down play at the 6 yard line and took 40 seconds off the clock. Plus, if you wanted to bait them to run wouldn't you want to use a timeout? Then they might run just to force you to use your last timeout.

 

[Steeltime]

If I recall correctly Tomlin said in his press conference that he wanted to bait Oakland into running which is why he didn't use his timeouts.

If he said this, then he just confirmed he is the stupidest coach on God's earth. You bait Oakland into running by CALLING the timeouts, dumbass.

If you don't call the timeouts, then Oakland gladly lets the clock run down to have their possession decide the game. Oakland will burn the time by simply waiting to throw the first pass. At that point, the clock has run down to inside a minute, and Oakland has two timeouts, three plays, and nearly 1:00 to run the plays, i.e., 20 seconds per play - plenty of time. Plenty.

However, if moron calls a timeout at 1:53, then Oakland knows there will be time on the clock if they score. Steelers still have a timeout, so Oakland may be tempted to run the ball, and force Pittsburgh to use its final timeout (because of course they shitcanned one worthlessly in the 3rd quarter). At that point, it's second-and-goal with about 1:45 on the clock, and three plays before the possession is decided.

If Oakland scores on the 2nd or 3rd down, the clock still has about 1:35 left. If the Raiders throw an incompletion, that leaves more time on the clock.

Jesus Christ, this **** is so basic. When the Raiders are down 4 and have the ball 1st-and-goal on the Steelers 7 yard line with 1:53 on the clock, the clock is not their enemy - the 7 yards are the enemy.

The clock is the STEELERS enemy at that point. Apparently the only mother#$@%er on earth who fails to understand that is Tomlin.

 

[Steelers1356]

If he said this, then he just confirmed he is the stupidest coach on God's earth. You bait Oakland into running by CALLING the timeouts, dumbass.

If you don't call the timeouts, then Oakland gladly lets the clock run down to have their possession decide the game. Oakland will burn the time by simply waiting to throw the first pass. At that point, the clock has run down to inside a minute, and Oakland has two timeouts, three plays, and nearly 1:00 to run the plays, i.e., 20 seconds per play - plenty of time. Plenty.

However, if moron calls a timeout at 1:53, then Oakland knows there will be time on the clock if they score. Steelers still have a timeout, so Oakland may be tempted to run the ball, and force Pittsburgh to use its final timeout (because of course they shitcanned one worthlessly in the 3rd quarter). At that point, it's second-and-goal with about 1:45 on the clock, and three plays before the possession is decided.

If Oakland scores on the 2nd or 3rd down, the clock still has about 1:35 left. If the Raiders throw an incompletion, that leaves more time on the clock.

Jesus Christ, this **** is so basic. When the Raiders are down 4 and have the ball 1st-and-goal on the Steelers 7 yard line with 1:53 on the clock, the clock is not their enemy - the 7 yards are the enemy.

The clock is the STEELERS enemy at that point. Apparently the only mother#$@%er on earth who fails to understand that is Tomlin.

He said it, I found his quote. Here's his reply when asked if he considered using his timeouts:

“I did, but to be quite honest with you, I chose not to,” Tomlin said. “I was more interested in stopping them. Particularly, I knew if I didn’t utilize a timeout that the run game would be an element of the sequence and I felt comfortable about our ability to stop the run."

 

[Vader]

He said it, I found his quote. Here's his reply when asked if he considered using his timeouts:

“I did, but to be quite honest with you, I chose not to,” Tomlin said. “I was more interested in stopping them. Particularly, I knew if I didn’t utilize a timeout that the run game would be an element of the sequence and I felt comfortable about our ability to stop the run."

uggggg......

 

[Steelers12]

Tomlin treats timeouts as if you can also use them to put time back on the clock. I’m convinced he fundamentally does not understand clock management and that it actually makes a difference how and when they are used.

I think he is a stupid man with a ton of bullshit . He has no grasp on the essentials of football and is honestly a football retard.

 

[topseed]

I guess I blocked out of my memory what went down at the end of the game. I also didn't realize at the time, that they scored on 4th and goal.

I quickly deleted the game from my DVR.

I don't blame you, pc...it was hard enough to watch once, let alone multiple times.

 

[topseed]

He said it, I found his quote. Here's his reply when asked if he considered using his timeouts:

“I did, but to be quite honest with you, I chose not to,” Tomlin said. “I was more interested in stopping them. Particularly, I knew if I didn’t utilize a timeout that the run game would be an element of the sequence and I felt comfortable about our ability to stop the run."

Thanks for posting this.

Wow. Just wow. The gentleman not only refuses to acknowledge his mistake, but also then tries to justify it with one of the most illogical lines of backward reasoning I've ever heard.

So, it's either:

a) Tomlin is too stubborn to admit he was wrong, or

b) He is actually stupid enough to have convinced himself that choosing to not use his timeouts, quite honestly, was the best course of action...because Oakland then might run the ball as an element of the sequence.


It continues to amaze me that Mike Tomlin has somehow reached the pinnacle of his profession. One of only thirty-two head coaches of football at its highest level. Mind-boggling.