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Maybe Butler isn't to blame for the poor defense?

Tomlin has been more involved with the defensive scheme since Dick LeBeau left the Steelers. The defense seemed confused and out of position a lot this season. With Shaizer not likely returning next season and the struggles with man coverage....could be a rough ride when the season rolls around.
 
Well this takes disappointment up a few notches. Just awesome. Destined for failure no matter what unless they seriously change some ****.
 
I stand corrected and owe everyone an apology. Past few days I've been arguing this is Butler's scheme and he's the one running things on D. Looks like I've been totally wrong on everything I thought I knew about Tomlin, Butler and the D.

If all this is true then we really are entering a do or die phase with Tomlin. If he is this integrated with the defensive schemes and coaching, then Butler is just a figurehead, a cardboard cut-out masquerading as the defensive coordinator.

Well then Tomlin should come out and own that. Be a man. Say this is your D. That you're devising and coordinating the whole defensive scheme and Butler's there just to send the signals in. Why the need for the smoke and mirrors act? Own up to it, good or bad.

Damn, wierd times in the 'Burgh, that's for sure.
 
No need to apologize, Tibs! We all do the same **** just at different times. I remember when LeBeau was here, the big thing was that he was able to have control of the D under Tomlin. All of the pundits said back then that Tomlin would implement a lot of what he did in Tampa with any new coordinator they brought in. I have read that numerous times over the years Butler has been here and mainly from the PG as I read it every morning online. I also read the Tribune sports and any other local Steelers stuff I can find.
 
TDX27 said:
I have read that numerous times over the years Butler has been here and mainly from the PG as I read it every morning online. I also read the Tribune sports and any other local Steelers stuff I can find.
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I read those same sites and many more. I guess I just never realized - or read between the lines enough - that Tomlin had this time of imprint on the D. Maybe I'm getting old. ;)
 
Tibs said:
I stand corrected and owe everyone an apology. Past few days I've been arguing this is Butler's scheme and he's the one running things on D. Looks like I've been totally wrong on everything I thought I knew about Tomlin, Butler and the D.

If all this is true then we really are entering a do or die phase with Tomlin. If he is this integrated with the defensive schemes and coaching, then Butler is just a figurehead, a cardboard cut-out masquerading as the defensive coordinator.

Well then Tomlin should come out and own that. Be a man. Say this is your D. That you're devising and coordinating the whole defensive scheme and Butler's there just to send the signals in. Why the need for the smoke and mirrors act? Own up to it, good or bad.

Damn, wierd times in the 'Burgh, that's for sure.
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Not sure why it is one or the other. I still think It is Butler's D with Tomlin doing what he wants when he wants. I would still say it is Butler's, just now we know Tomlin did his best to put his stamp on it as well. Which in this case two brains isn't better than one.
 
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Not sure why it is one or the either. I still think It is Butler's D with Tomlin doing what he wants when he wants. I would still say it is Butler's, just now we know Tomlin did his best to put his stamp on it as well. Which in this case two brains isn't better than one.
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No way, Butler is an aggressive DC, just listen to his interviews when he was hired. He would never have their best pass rusher drop into coverage 75% of his snaps. He would come after young no name guys, not sit back and play it safe.
We needed a stop in the 4th Sunday, Jax had been running all day on us and our safeties are still 20 yards downfield.

This is not Butler defense

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fedderone said:
Even if this is marginally true, it explains a lot, and Tomlin should be done.
So Tomlin should have been let go, and Munch promoted to HC, and Todd and Keith left alone to run their schemes.
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Let's not get carried away with the Keep Haley talk.
 
Tibs said:
Well then Tomlin should come out and own that. Be a man. Say this is your D. That you're devising and coordinating the whole defensive scheme and Butler's there just to send the signals in. Why the need for the smoke and mirrors act? Own up to it, good or bad.
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Yeah, that will happen
 
When you have a bullshitter as head coach this is what your team devolves into over time. We ate in a dangerous point where Ben is aging and all that islet ismorons and Tomlin which are oneand the same.
 
How much is poor coaching and how much is poor talent-free draft picks is hard to say.
 
Locker room morale is at an all time low right now.
Lack of control over the players and I think a rift amongst the coaches
 
The nfl is shoveling us a false pretext and now we have a COACH doing the same..............****


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Tomlin is such a fraud as a coach.

Not only do we recently find out the extent to which his leadership is lacking, as we're also leaning that he was basically running the defense that was torched this season by the likes of Jacoby Brissett, Brett Hundley, Deshone Kizer and Blake Bortles.

While we're at it, it was pure genius to leave Sean Davis by himself against Rob Gronkowski for an entire game

Seriously, the Steelers are not getting back to the Super Bowl with Tomlin as coach. It just isn't happening.
 
Punxsutawney said:
Tomlin is such a fraud as a coach.

Not only do we recently find out the extent to which his leadership is lacking, as we're also leaning that he was basically running the defense that was torched this season by the likes of Jacoby Brissett, Brett Hundley, Deshone Kizer and Blake Bortles.

While we're at it, it was pure genius to leave Sean Davis by himself against Rob Gronkowski for an entire game

Seriously, the Steelers are not getting back to the Super Bowl with Tomlin as coach. It just isn't happening.
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This goes back to the end of Lebeau's career here to, there were rumblings then. And Butler's defense never looked like his from the time he took over.

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Ron Burgundy said:
How much is poor coaching and how much is poor talent-free draft picks is hard to say.
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I don’t think we have a lot of talent on that side of the ball but that’s not an excuse. Look over to NEs defense and they have a bunch of no name guys in their front 7 with some average guys in the secondary but they find a way to get stops when needed.
No reason our defense can’t hold a team to under 28pts or under 38pts in the playoff game.


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Coryea said:
This goes back to the end of Lebeau's career here to, there were rumblings then. And Butler's defense never looked like his from the time he took over.

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So why would Butler take this job? He was offered other DC jobs. Why take the one where Tomlin handcuffs him? After seeing Tomlin handcuff Dick? Just fire all the ******* coaches and be done with it.
 
stillwright said:
So why would Butler take this job? He was offered other DC jobs. Why take the one where Tomlin handcuffs him? After seeing Tomlin handcuff Dick? Just fire all the ******* coaches and be done with it.
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I don't know, maybe he was told he'd have control.

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