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Martavis Bryant

Superman said:
so you said ....



to which I posted, as you clearly stated:


then lose your **** again. really?
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As usual you post more stupid **** again. I NEVER ******* SAID ALL THEIR STATS WEREN'T EQUAL. But of course you can't admit you are wrong and either didn't understand it or didn't read it. This is why talking to you is so ******* hard. You twist and spin everything anybody says to fit what you want to see. It's bullshit. bigapple, FOR THE 6TH TIME NOW, said ONE ******* THING, RINGS were the only difference in them. I pointed out that isn't right. Then you go apeshit about all their stats. Just like you always do. You can't handle it and start posting ignorant stupid pics and crying like a baby.
 
Not quite.
What I'm saying is the difference between them, statistically, which IS what you brought up - is not as wide as some people believe. Hell, you even stated Ben has more game winning drives. While that is true, Ben has also played in more games. Ben has 33 and Romo has 26. One of Ben's was on the grandest scale, too. But, the difference between the two is not much.

I think the whole problem arised from quoting you and you feeling the need to defend yourself. That wasn't my intention.
 
Romo and Roethlisberger stats are comparible but two reasons why Ben gets into the HOF and Romo might not.
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Superman said:
Not quite.
What I'm saying is the difference between them, statistically, which IS what you brought up - is not as wide as some people believe. Hell, you even stated Ben has more game winning drives. While that is true, Ben has also played in more games. Ben has 33 and Romo has 26. One of Ben's was on the grandest scale, too. But, the difference between the two is not much.

I think the whole problem arised from quoting you and you feeling the need to defend yourself. That wasn't my intention.
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I agree with everything you said. I was just responding to bigapple's statement that there is only one thing that separates them. I never meant to compare every single stat of their careers because I only needed to show there was more than one. Ben has more game winning playoff drives because he has played well enough to have more than 3 playoff games in 10 years of playing. I'm not saying Romo is a bad QB but there is more than one thing separating them.... like not choking in playoff games.
 
Good Lord, WE WON THIS WEEK! THE LAST THREE WEEKS! We have better discussions when we lose!
JFC, all you dripping vaginas take your ***** home, crack a beer, and write "6-3" 100 times on a blackboard.

 
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t-man said:
Trent Dilfer > Dan Marino

I think it was said before, but, hey, when it's that obvious, why not say it again?

Joe
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"I'd trade every record we broke to be Super Bowl champs.”
- Dan Marino
 
Bigappleyinzer said:
Careful with this argument.

Because the rings are the only thing that separate Romo and Big Ben.
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How about the success of the team? Stats are similar, but the cowboys haven't had the same success as the Steelers over that period of time. Since 2004, the Steelers are 111-56 (66.46 winning pct) and the Cowboys are 93-76 (55.04 winning pct). So, basically, the Steelers are winning 2 out of 3 and the Cowboys 1 out of 2 over the same period of time. The Cowboys have two losing seasons and three 8-8 seasons, while the Steelers have no losing seasons and three 8-8 seasons. The statistic that surprised me the most was 4th quarter comebacks, Ben leads Romo by only 1 comeback, 23-22 and Testeverde, Bledsoe and Kreig are ahead of them both and Andrew Luck is only credited with 8. :confused:

Papillon
 
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3 pages have gone by, and not one mention of Martavis Bryant lol.

Also, Vader- no one is trying to argue. I simply said, they have very similar stats- is that so wrong for me to say?
 
People trying to compare Bryant to Plaxico....while accurate if you look at their physique but one HUGE and vital difference.....Bryant is wayyyy faster than Burress ever was. Once he learns the intricacies of the receiver position the sky is the limit.

He has a knack of getting open and getting separation...and those qualities is not because he's fast...WAllace was much faster than Ward but he couldn't consistently get open on those curl and comeback routes....getting separation is a natural ability which is not based on speed...as we have seen in his limited time...Bryant can get open, get separation, make tough catches across the middle and in traffic, he already caught a fade in the redzone. Hopefully he doesn't get full of himself and takes lessons from Brown and stays humble...if he does....watch out we might have a dominant receiver on our hands.
 
TazManianDevil said:
People trying to compare Bryant to Plaxico....while accurate if you look at their physique but one HUGE and vital difference.....Bryant is wayyyy faster than Burress ever was. Once he learns the intricacies of the receiver position the sky is the limit.

He has a knack of getting open and getting separation...and those qualities is not because he's fast...WAllace was much faster than Ward but he couldn't consistently get open on those curl and comeback routes....getting separation is a natural ability which is not based on speed...as we have seen in his limited time...Bryant can get open, get separation, make tough catches across the middle and in traffic, he already caught a fade in the redzone. Hopefully he doesn't get full of himself and takes lessons from Brown and stays humble...if he does....watch out we might have a dominant receiver on our hands.
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During the draft process I compared him to Chris Henry. It seems now he's going to just demolish that.
 
Idioteque said:
During the draft process I compared him to Chris Henry. It seems now he's going to just demolish that.
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Actually that's not a bad comparison at all. Chris eHenry was a pretty good wide out, God bless his soul, but dude was in trouble a lot...didn't have his head in the game 100%
 
papillon said:
How about the success of the team? Stats are similar, but the cowboys haven't had the same success as the Steelers over that period of time. Since 2004, the Steelers are 111-56 (66.46 winning pct) and the Cowboys are 93-76 (55.04 winning pct). So, basically, the Steelers are winning 2 out of 3 and the Cowboys 1 out of 2 over the same period of time. The Cowboys have two losing seasons and three 8-8 seasons, while the Steelers have no losing seasons and three 8-8 seasons. The statistic that surprised me the most was 4th quarter comebacks, Ben leads Romo by only 1 comeback, 23-22 and Testeverde, Bledsoe and Kreig are ahead of them both and Andrew Luck is only credited with 8. :confused:

Papillon
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Interesting post pappillion. In looking at 4th quarter comebacks I consider that stat a negative simply because come backs mean you are not in the lead. I would much rather have a quarter back that went into the fourth with a lead and kept it. I have never seen a stat that shows fourth quarter leads that were kept and I suspect that the truly great quarter backs had lots of those.
 
I really like this Bryant kid. He seems like he is learning and doing his best to stay focused. He had one drop that would likely have been a big gainer had he caught it and seemed to regain his focus after that. I do not recall any other drops from him that looked like they should have been caught. The young man seems to have a good humble attitude in his interviews and unlike many wide outs of the past has not seemed to adopt the attitude that "I am great and it is all about me". He also seems to realize that he needs to continue to develop his game which is a real big plus in a young guy in his position.

I think he will become a very complementary wide out to Brown. His abilities are a bit different as is his body type. Should he reach his full potential we might not have a number one and a number two receiver but two receivers that could be a number one on nearly any team in the league. I hope it works out that way and that Weaton continues to develop as the slot guy.

One other thing that I think is helping these guys is the fact that Hailey is rotating different groups on the field with Brown. Because of this the wides are fresh and are wearing out the DBs who have to chase them all over the field.
 
AggieSteel said:
Plus Romo's penchant for untimely turnovers..
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Yeah, that stigma of not being a pressure player will haunt him but the Cowboys with that offensive line and the way Murray is running could very well win the Super Bowl and if he does win one I think he ends up getting in. Probably not first crack but within 10 years. Even Ben at the moment doesn't get in first crack with two rings. I think Ben needs to either win 1 more bowl or have top 5 stats to shut up the nay sayers. If he stays healthy and plays 6 more years he should be in the 60k 400 TD 170 win clubs which would put him around 5th in yards behind Manning, Favre, Brady, and Brees. TDs behind Manning, Favre, Brady, Brees, Marino?? so 5th or 6th. Wins behind Favre, Manning, Brady for 4th. Eli Manning is the wild card since he and Ben have comparable stats but Manning is a tick over 1 year older than Ben and I highly doubt the New York fans/media allow him to stay 5-6 more years since they are the New York fans/media so he might go somewhere else to end his career as a backup. Or Ben just wins us another Bowl this year and debate over he gets in. I mean Aikman is 65th in TD's, 31st in yards, 22nd in wins but first ballot HOF QB.
 
I mean Aikman is 65th in TD's, 31st in yards, 22nd in wins but first ballot HOF QB.[/QUOTE]

I made comments regarding guys that were in and I did not think they should be in before. Some of these guys are in because of being media darlings or other things. Many of them were not big contributors to their teams but played a role. If you look at jerry rice for example how much of the great passing numbers for his qbs was do to their being good or him being so good? Not trying to diminish anyone but showing it is a team sport. Just imagine if instead of rice and whoever montana and young were throwing to troy edwards and dwight stone. Mentioning there names might produce who?

Ben is clicking now, he is putting up points, he is playing in the system and playing smart football. If he continues to play smart football instead of sand lot football like he has in the past he will really change his game, change his stats, and change his longevity for the better. If he continues at this pace for a few more seasons he will become a first round hall of famer and may be the guy to carry his team to the big game for more victories. Three games is not a season but it can be the start of a trend. The steelers may have enough of the pieces on the field for the offense to carry the defense for a change. Last time I saw that I think was 1979.
 
Perhaps this is the reason Bryant didnt get a hat earlier?? Playing WR is more then just running catching the ball. Have to be able to read defenses too on the fly. Obviously by getting a hat the last three weeks he has gotten better. But like all rookies still has a ways to go.

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Bigappleyinzer said:
3 pages have gone by, and not one mention of Martavis Bryant lol.

Also, Vader- no one is trying to argue. I simply said, they have very similar stats- is that so wrong for me to say?
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Nothing wrong with pointing that out. I just never used that in the discussion. I never said they didn't have similar stats. I just pointed out some of the things that makes Ben and Romo different.
 
Wingman said:
Interesting post pappillion. In looking at 4th quarter comebacks I consider that stat a negative simply because come backs mean you are not in the lead. I would much rather have a quarter back that went into the fourth with a lead and kept it. I have never seen a stat that shows fourth quarter leads that were kept and I suspect that the truly great quarter backs had lots of those.
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That may be true, but Peyton Manning is atop the 4th quarter comeback list with 40.

Papillon
 
papillon said:
That may be true, but Peyton Manning is atop the 4th quarter comeback list with 40.

Papillon
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I am wondering where he might be on the list of get the lead and keep it in the fourth quarter.
 
papillon said:
That may be true, but Peyton Manning is atop the 4th quarter comeback list with 40.

Papillon
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I am wondering where he might be on the list of get the lead and keep it in the fourth quarter. I just looked up his win loss record and he has 184 wins - his 40 come from behinds would mean he has 144 wins from getting it and keeping it I think that is a very good stat to have. It might be interesting if you are into stats to make that comparison and see where all these come from behind guys fall.
 
Wingman said:
I am wondering where he might be on the list of get the lead and keep it in the fourth quarter. I just looked up his win loss record and he has 184 wins - his 40 come from behinds would mean he has 144 wins from getting it and keeping it I think that is a very good stat to have. It might be interesting if you are into stats to make that comparison and see where all these come from behind guys fall.
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Well, not scientific, but 144/184 is about 78%, for Ben its 79/106 which is about 74%, either way both quarterbacks seem to be good front runners and come from behind guys as well. My guess is that any good quarterback is going to have similar numbers for both sides of the story. You could say Ben is the better come from behind QB and that Peyton is better front runner, I'll take either guy, they're both pretty good.

Pappy
 
I am just wondering if there might be some anomalies there, like the guys that have lots of come from behind wins because they are always behind. Just seems like a made for tv stat cause we never hear about the playing from in front story line unless it was Cowher's win when ahead by eleven points stat. Just mild curiosity on my part but you may be right.
 
So lets recap... Rookie WR. 4th rounder. Through week 10:
Has played in 4 games and started 2.
has 14 catches on 25 targets for 310 yards and ***6*** Td's... one less than the Rookie leader.
His 22.1 yards per catch is 2nd only to brandon lloyds 23.8 ypc (on 11 catches) for all players in the NFL with more than 2 catches.
He currently leads all rookies with 77.5 yards per game.
 
Im trusting his route running more than i am Markus' right now. But having three option at WR PLUS Lance is a nice problem to have.
 
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