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Martavis Bryant

Vader said:
Yes. And with the benefit of having Brown, Wheaton, Bell and Miller (and now Bryant) it makes it almost impossible for a defense to cover everyone. I also wish the Steelers play a top team like the pats* in the regular season so I could see how they man up to them.
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Yes the Domino effect has been very obvious with his emergence.
 
MT~Forged said:
Did you not watch the Indy game last week? The Pats* are good, but not like the cheating years.
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I watched the pats* go through the Denver defense like a knife through hot butter. Luck isn't Brady yet and Indy isn't the pats* yet. The pats* are known (outside of being cheaters) as a well coached team with a powerful offense.
 
Vader said:
I watched the pats* go through the Denver defense like a knife through hot butter. Luck isn't Brady yet and Indy isn't the pats* yet. The pats* are known (outside of being cheaters) as a well coached team with a powerful offense.
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Luck is highly overrated. If you look at the teams he's played, and Stafford through 8 games in 2011, you see a disturbing similarity.

Everyone wants Luck to be the next big thing, but stats not make one great. NE won SBs with Brady playing a Russell Wilson role. Once he started throwing the ball all over the place, the rings stopped coming. I'd take Wilson, his ring and that defense over Luck and his stats any day of the week.
 
Steel Not A Player said:
Luck is highly overrated. If you look at the teams he's played, and Stafford through 8 games in 2011, you see a disturbing similarity.
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Even in 4th-qtr comebacks, where Luck leads the NFL since he was drafted?

Everyone wants Luck to be the next big thing, but stats not make one great. NE won SBs with Brady playing a Russell Wilson role. Once he started throwing the ball all over the place, the rings stopped coming. I'd take Wilson, his ring and that defense over Luck and his stats any day of the week.
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Luck is to blame for how good the Seahawk defense is? Uh, ok.

You're really speaking against your own point here. Maybe Wilson is succeeding BECAUSE of his defense and not having to throw much..? Luck on the other hand has a blah run game, a blah line, and a blah defense but excels anyway.
 
Idioteque said:
Even in 4th-qtr comebacks, where Luck leads the NFL since he was drafted?



Luck is to blame for how good the Seahawk defense is? Uh, ok.

You're really speaking against your own point here. Maybe Wilson is succeeding BECAUSE of his defense and not having to throw much..? Luck on the other hand has a blah run game, a blah line, and a blah defense but excels anyway.
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Rings > Stats.

That's the point. Defense wins championships. Manning broke every record worth having last year, then got humiliated by that Seahawks defense. And while it isn't much mentioned, look at Wilson's stats from that game. He threw the ball lights out, and kept Manning off the field by finishing drives. Unfortunately, his locker room imploded this season. Combine that with the 1st place schedule, and it's become a farce.

Yeah, Luck has comebacks. But like last year's playoffs, alot of those comebacks are the result of being in holes HE HIMSELF put the team in. Until he proves that he's got more winning in him than Stafford, that's all he'll be: a stat machine. Luck will get a free ride to the playoffs just by virtue of playing in the worst division in football. But I say he does little or nothing with those opportunities. If he was used like Wilson, maybe.

The Colts throw on first down, throw on second down, throw one more time, think about calling a run play, throw some more and throw it again style of play is not conducive to winning Superbowls. But don't take my word for it, ask the record breaking QBs like Manning and Brady how all that chuck and duck **** has improved their trophy cases the last few years.
 
Steel Not A Player said:
Luck is highly overrated. If you look at the teams he's played, and Stafford through 8 games in 2011, you see a disturbing similarity.

Everyone wants Luck to be the next big thing, but stats not make one great. NE won SBs with Brady playing a Russell Wilson role. Once he started throwing the ball all over the place, the rings stopped coming. I'd take Wilson, his ring and that defense over Luck and his stats any day of the week.
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And the cheating was at least cut down.
 
Bryant is doing exactly what I though he could do as a rookie, just with more touchdowns than I thought he could do in such a short period of time. Wish they would have started using him earlier in the year, but since they have, the offense has been using Bryant to perfection.
 
Steel Not A Player said:
Rings > Stats.
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Brad Johnson > Dan Marino. Thanks for making that clear.

That's the point. Defense wins championships.
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I don't see how you can credit or blame a QB for how good/bad his defense is. It should be the opposite. A QB with a great run game and defense has an EASIER time with LESS responsibility. Luck usually has to carry an entire team on his back; Wilson usually has to manage the game.

Yeah, Luck has comebacks. But like last year's playoffs, alot of those comebacks are the result of being in holes HE HIMSELF put the team in. Until he proves that he's got more winning in him than Stafford, that's all he'll be: a stat machine. Luck will get a free ride to the playoffs just by virtue of playing in the worst division in football. But I say he does little or nothing with those opportunities. If he was used like Wilson, maybe.

The Colts throw on first down, throw on second down, throw one more time, think about calling a run play, throw some more and throw it again style of play is not conducive to winning Superbowls. But don't take my word for it, ask the record breaking QBs like Manning and Brady how all that chuck and duck **** has improved their trophy cases the last few years.
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A lot of that has to do with the fact that they have a pitiful run game and a subpar o-line. I guess that's all Luck's fault, too.
 
1/3 of Ben's 12 TDs in the past 2 games were caught by Bryant. Discuss...
 
Cope said:
1/3 of Ben's 12 TDs in the past 2 games were caught by Bryant. Discuss...
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Defenses rightfully fear Brown. They shade a safety over to help him. Bryant is a big kid, and fast. He blows past single coverage against the Texans.

Teams just cannot double both Brown and Bryant, since there is a guy named Bell in the Steelers backfield. If defenses try to stop the running game with 6 or 7, Bell will roll over them like Patton versus the Nazis in North Africa.

So teams continue to dedicate 1 CB to Bryant and 1 to Wheaton, to insure that the CB assigned to Brown gets help and that the run defense has a safety to help slow down Bell.

Bryant has a combination of routes that maximize his skill set. Kudos to Haley for putting together these route packages. Bryant is too fast and too big to be covered by a single CB, but defenses just have no choice ... so Ben and Bryant make them pay.

Meanwhile, over the same 3 game stretch, Brown has "quietly" posted 30 catches, 366 yards and 3 TD's.
 
Steeltime said:
Defenses rightfully fear Brown. They shade a safety over to help him. Bryant is a big kid, and fast. He blows past single coverage against the Texans.

Teams just cannot double both Brown and Bryant, since there is a guy named Bell in the Steelers backfield. If defenses try to stop the running game with 6 or 7, Bell will roll over them like Patton versus the Nazis in North Africa.

So teams continue to dedicate 1 CB to Bryant and 1 to Wheaton, to insure that the CB assigned to Brown gets help and that the run defense has a safety to help slow down Bell.

Bryant has a combination of routes that maximize his skill set. Kudos to Haley for putting together these route packages. Bryant is too fast and too big to be covered by a single CB, but defenses just have no choice ... so Ben and Bryant make them pay.

Meanwhile, over the same 3 game stretch, Brown has "quietly" posted 30 catches, 366 yards and 3 TD's.
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Some of the gavens he left laying on the field behind him might have issue with the quietly part.:rolleyes:
 
Wingman said:
Some of the gavens he left laying on the field behind him might have issue with the quietly part.:rolleyes:
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prosthetic hips and heels required for those ravens DBs LOL
 
Steel Not A Player said:
One more time for the cheap seats...

Rings > Stats

For reference, see Tony Romo, Matt Stafford, Matt Ryan, Phillip Rivers
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Tell me more about how Luck should be downgraded because Wilson has a great defense. I think I missed something there.
 
Steel Not A Player said:
One more time for the cheap seats...

Rings > Stats

For reference, see Tony Romo, Matt Stafford, Matt Ryan, Phillip Rivers
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For reference, see Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, Ken Anderson, Randall Cunningham, Boomer Esiason (he sucks as an announcer, was a pretty good QB), Warren Moon is in the HOF with no ring, Dan Fouts, Fran Tarkenton. Judging a QB in a team sport based on Super Bowl wins alone is dumb.


Idioteque said:
Tell me more about how Luck should be downgraded because Wilson has a great defense. I think I missed something there.
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Don't you know that Luck is taking up 95% of the cap, making it impossible to put a decent defense around him... oh wait, you mean he's still on his rookie contract? So you're telling me that Indy's D is weaker because they weren't a ****** team for years and years piling up draft picks, rebuilding the team from the ground up? Man... Luck is such an *******, screwing his team over like that.
 
GoSteelers said:
don't get used to him in another year or 2 he'll be gone to another team that can afford him, we'll never be able to afford him after he makes a few more catches and becomes noticed by the rest of the league!
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He's a rookie, he signed a 4 year deal. He's here for AT LEAST 4 years...
 
Luck may be a bit overrated, But Russel Wilson over Luck?? Have you ever watched either of them play?
 
Steel Not A Player said:
Rings > Stats.

That's the point. Defense wins championships. Manning broke every record worth having last year, then got humiliated by that Seahawks defense. And while it isn't much mentioned, look at Wilson's stats from that game. He threw the ball lights out, and kept Manning off the field by finishing drives. Unfortunately, his locker room imploded this season. Combine that with the 1st place schedule, and it's become a farce.

Yeah, Luck has comebacks. But like last year's playoffs, alot of those comebacks are the result of being in holes HE HIMSELF put the team in. Until he proves that he's got more winning in him than Stafford, that's all he'll be: a stat machine. Luck will get a free ride to the playoffs just by virtue of playing in the worst division in football. But I say he does little or nothing with those opportunities. If he was used like Wilson, maybe.

The Colts throw on first down, throw on second down, throw one more time, think about calling a run play, throw some more and throw it again style of play is not conducive to winning Superbowls. But don't take my word for it, ask the record breaking QBs like Manning and Brady how all that chuck and duck **** has improved their trophy cases the last few years.
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Trent Dilfer > Dan Marino

I think it was said before, but, hey, when it's that obvious, why not say it again?

Joe
 
bigben said:
Luck may be a bit overrated, But Russel Wilson over Luck?? Have you ever watched either of them play?
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I love Russell Wilson. Love the guy. But there's just no discussion between the two.
 
t-man said:
Trent Dilfer > Dan Marino

I think it was said before, but, hey, when it's that obvious, why not say it again?

Joe
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Careful with this argument.

Because the rings are the only thing that separate Romo and Big Ben.
 
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