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Let’s accept it: Rudolph isn’t Roethlisberger

Thanks for the update. Maybe the biggest problem is the coach and OC not coming up with plays for Mason. Yesterdays play calling in the last quarter especially was terrible. When you run twice and are in 3-8 situation you do not help the QB much. Watching Chargers plays when the line was bunched up showed a big difference in blocking scheme as well as the running direct at angle not straight up the middle. We all saw how it seemed to play to not lose an expect t win. Inside the 10 was a lost cause. Coaches need to help these young guys become better
 
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Coach said:
I knew by the 2nd pre season game we had something with Ben and didn’t want to see Maddox take another snap!

This isn’t 1970. Rookie qb’s are ready to show their stuff much earlier. The problem here is Rudy doesn’t have much to feature.

When Hoyer came in the game, a 3rd string guy he was much better.

I would not rule out trading for something better. Who has retired recently?


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Did you not see Hoyer forcing his receivers to jump and extend their arms in order to make a play on his passes? He's terrible. I'm not really sure why they measure things like the vertical, arm length, wingspan etc. at the combine, but I'm positive it has nothing to do with jumping or arm extension, or any combination of that nonsense.
 
Coach said:
I knew by the 2nd pre season game we had something with Ben and didn’t want to see Maddox take another snap!
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I always make decisions based on preseason performance. I find it to be 100% accurate. One example - the amazing 2017 Browns. 4-0 in preseason, allowed a microscopic 29 points in those four games, and you could just tell that Kevin Hogan had "it." The Colonel posted 8.7 YPA, 3 TD's, 0 picks, 126.9 QB rating.

I just KNEW that was a team of destiny based on the amazing preseason. Okay, the 0-16 regular season may have been just a tad underwhelming based on that AMAZING preseason, but wow - that preseason baby!!
 
SteveA said:
Coach ain't wrong on this one boys...
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I would disagree. With the lack of Pro Style offenses in the NCAA I would say many many of them are very ill equipped to start right away. Unless the team is willing to completely change like the Ravens have to minimize the lack of pro style passing and maximize the athletic play. Which is great until he gets hurt and the back up can’t play that style.
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
I would disagree. With the lack of Pro Style offenses in the NCAA I would say many many of them are very ill equipped to start right away. Unless the team is willing to completely change like the Ravens have to minimize the lack of pro style passing and maximize the athletic play. Which is great until he gets hurt and the back up can’t play that style.
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HoFer (lol) Elway threw 47 tds and 52 ints in his first 3 seasons.
 
mightyguru said:
HoFer (lol) Elway threw 47 tds and 52 ints in his first 3 seasons.
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Totally different time, WR's were still allowed to be hit and mugged, QB's were allowed to get destroyed.

Hell just go back to 2005 when we won the Super Bowl.
There were 2 QB's to finish that season above 100 rating, last year 10 QB's finished above a 100 rating.

There are 9 QB's right now above 100 QB rating, and two more sitting at 99.7, including Jacoby Brissett.
 
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Coryea said:
Totally different time, WR's were still allowed to be hit and mugged, QB's were allowed to get destroyed.

Hell just go back to 2005 when we won the Super Bowl.
There were 2 QB's to finish that season above 100 rating, last year 10 QB's finished above a 100 rating.

There are 9 QB's right now above 100 QB rating, and two more sitting at 99.7, including Jacoby Brissett.
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Elway still sucked out loud.
 
Sarge said:
A good example is the Ravens. For as much as people here make fun of Lamar Jackson, the Ravens designed an entire offense tailored to what Jackson does well. And it works. If the Steelers had drafted Jackson, we would be watching Dennis Dixon part two right now.
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LaMar Jackson could be the first NFL QB to throw for 3,000 yards and run for 1,000. I’d say that’s nothing to make fun of. Seems to me the Rats coaching staff figured out rather quickly what his strengths are!
 
Ouch. I envision Rudolph getting better as the season goes on, and Fichtner surely will open up the playbook a little. They simply have to, to keep defenses honest.

<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mason Rudolph’s passing chart against the Colts. Via <a href="https://twitter.com/NextGenStats?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@NextGenStats</a>. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Steelers?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Steelers</a> <a href="https://t.co/OWeCiZ089J">pic.twitter.com/OWeCiZ089J</a></p>— Blitzburgh (@Steel_Curtain4) <a href="https://twitter.com/Steel_Curtain4/status/1191432248228229126?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 4, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>
 
Look, I don't think Rudolph is doing anything great. But he hasn't been awful. Just needs to go down the field a bit more. Problem is, it appears he is the best on the active roster, so the Steelers are kinda stuck with him. I think If he lays an egg Sunday, I mean completely ***** the bed, or if the coaches have any doubts about him after that game, you have to look at Duck for a couple games. Nothing to brag about for him in his first start, but 15-20, 132 and a TD seems to have a lot of people hot and bothered around here. So I think it's worth a look. Although, I doubt much changes.
 
steel dino said:
One could argue the Steelers have taken away what he does good by going to the “small ball” passing game plan with Mason.
The kids game in college was the exact opposite of that.
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Yes... the knock on him and early fear was that he was just going to bomb it all day... he hasn’t
He also isn’t going to have four reads on a play... as with a lot of young qbs the progression is going to be one or two reads then dump it off...
The thing is we have a lot of issues and people are only focusing on MR...

The wr corps isn’t really getting open a lot... occasionally but not a ton... there also have maybe been some wrong routes if you take some of the post game comments a week or three ago from the wideouts at face value... all of that is expected for young wrs... moncrief was supposed to be the vet presence and he is gone.. a couple of MR interceptions were good passed misplayed by wrs... not exactly building confidence in them....

The oline hasn’t been great, particularly the left side... AV has had a rough year and foster probably needed replaced before hitting his head...
 
Lets point out that we have faced a lot more good to great pass Ds than run Ds, yet our running game is as abysmal as our passing game despite having a supposedly stud line and pro bowl rb...

The team has just really started working TEs back into the offensive mix.. earlier they pretty much reserved them as extra olinemen...

I mean they have absolutely no identity... they aren’t a running team... the only true deep threat is a dhb clone with the hands of dwight stone...
they do not even try anything over the middle, and all the passes to the flat still isn’t pulling extra coverage off of juju...

Rudolph isn’t losing games... he isn’t throwing bad picks, he is the second least frequently sacked qb in the league... they are using him as a pure game manager... it’s just weird without a run game...
 
Rudolph never seems to throw the ball with confidence or urgency. He always seems hesitant and is usually late on throws. As a passer I like Hodges better...


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Lets point out that we have faced a lot more good to great pass Ds than run Ds, yet our running game is as abysmal as our passing game despite having a supposedly stud line and pro bowl rb...

The team has just really started working TEs back into the offensive mix.. earlier they pretty much reserved them as extra olinemen...

I mean they have absolutely no identity... they aren’t a running team... the only true deep threat is a dhb clone with the hands of dwight stone...
they do not even try anything over the middle, and all the passes to the flat still isn’t pulling extra coverage off of juju...

Rudolph isn’t losing games... he isn’t throwing bad picks, he is the second least frequently sacked qb in the league... they are using him as a pure game manager... it’s just weird without a run game...
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Some of the reason we can’t run the ball is cause the other teams secondaries have no respect for Rudolph and they are almost daring him to throw deep or atleast more than 10 yards down field. They have everyone playing up around the LOS, there just aren’t going to be a lot of running lanes.


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I thought Connors ran for 145 yds in previous game. Maybe we can't run the ball with a 4th string running back.
 
mdk2 said:
Some of the reason we can’t run the ball is cause the other teams secondaries have no respect for Rudolph and they are almost daring him to throw deep or atleast more than 10 yards down field. They have everyone playing up around the LOS, there just aren’t going to be a lot of running lanes.


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Absolutely. Let’s face it Rudy isn’t Tommy Maddox either.




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mdk2 said:
Some of the reason we can’t run the ball is cause the other teams secondaries have no respect for Rudolph and they are almost daring him to throw deep or atleast more than 10 yards down field. They have everyone playing up around the LOS, there just aren’t going to be a lot of running lanes.


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The running game wasn't tearing it up when Ben was briefly in there either. I can only speculate that Munch was a big factor.
 
I'd be playing Mason and Delvin. There's no reason to not do it at this point.

Lamar Jackson will end up getting his knee jacked up and so will be the end of that deal.
 
Ben didn't really have a good season until his 4th year. In his 3rd year he had 18 TD passes and 23 Int's. Everyone seems to be comparing HOF Ben to Rudolph, rather than developing Ben
to developing Rudolph.
 
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