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Let the Mocks begin.......

Litos said:
Last one today, whole different direction, Dart was drafted Very early, like 12 iirc
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After his show in the Combine, I'm guessing Dart ends up a top 12 pick, or at worse top 15...
every year guys who start out as mid and low rounders in the mocks end up as firsts or much higher mids because their stock climbs... a lot of draft gurus dont like to change tgeir rankings a lot late...

It may be a team with an ok QB and good offensive coach who probably targets him... so not us lol

If i were spitballing a total guess, it would be San Fran dealing away an overrated and soon to be grossly overpaid Purdy to get capital to go get him
 
TDX27 said:
Yeah, I don't see Dart making it out of the 1st and maybe not even to our pick. If he is their guy, I firmly believe they will move up to get him. I sure hope it doesn't cost them their 3rd round pick this year as they desperately need a DL.
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So you have 3 QBs going in top 20, or does Ward/Sanders fall past 20?

I guess it’s the draft and anything is possible but I expect one of Ward/Sanders/Dart there at 21 and I’d wager the one of those there is Dart.

I do not see a move up scenario unless something shocking involving a player and pick 21 are packaged in a move up.

Either Dart or a damn good DL will be available at 21, let the draft come to you…don’t panic.
 
madinsomniac said:
After his show in the Combine, I'm guessing Dart ends up a top 12 pick, or at worse top 15...
every year guys who start out as mid and low rounders in the mocks end up as firsts or much higher mids because their stock climbs... a lot of draft gurus dont like to change tgeir rankings a lot late...

It may be a team with an ok QB and good offensive coach who probably targets him... so not us lol

If i were spitballing a total guess, it would be San Fran dealing away an overrated and soon to be grossly overpaid Purdy to get capital to go get him
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I suppose he could be like Bo Nix last year
Heck who had the Falcons taking Pennix?

I’ve thought so long Dart is a 25-45 prospect maybe I have to readjust my thinking. It does seem
A GM or two always weigh the combine more than I do
 
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Omarion Hampton
RB | North Carolina
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T.J. Sanders
DL | South Carolina
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Jonah Savaiinaea
IOL | Arizona
A
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Savion Williams
WR | TCU
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Quincy Riley
CB | Louisville
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Kyle McCord
QB | Syracuse
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Lathan Ransom
S | Ohio State
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Nazir Stackhouse
DL | Georgia
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Dont'e Thornton
WR | Tennessee
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Since Ben turned 33, Tgere has almost been an annual Draft darling QB people wanted us to draft that was supposed to fall to the late first or into the second rounds for one reason or another... offf tge top of my rstyer drunk head I remember discussions about...Bridgewater, Mariotta, Tua, Mac Jones, Nix, Haskins, Daniel jones and Fields without even looking back at old draft threads.. none of tthem fell to our draft position.. some thankfully so..

Qbs get overdrafted a lot... I doubt this year will be much different
 
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    Omarr Norman-Lott
    DL | Tennessee
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    C.J. West
    DL | Indiana
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    Devin Neal
    RB | Kansas
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    Kyle McCord
    QB | Syracuse
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    Dont'e Thornton
    WR | Tennessee
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correct me if im wrong,, its ok with me,, BUT

Our Defense isnt dependant on the great D linemen, but having D linemen occupy offensive linemen so our LB's can make the plays.
BUT with this hybrid system of 2 DL, its more dependant on having 2 stud D linemen. This is where the rubber meets the road
on our defensive conversations.
 
Black & Gold Bleeder said:
correct me if im wrong,, its ok with me,, BUT

Our Defense isnt dependant on the great D linemen, but having D linemen occupy offensive linemen so our LB's can make the plays.
BUT with this hybrid system of 2 DL, its more dependant on having 2 stud D linemen. This is where the rubber meets the road
on our defensive conversations.
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What we really need is 2 DL that are stout enough to stop the run in short yardage, and rush the passer relentlessly, and never get tired out, and occasionally drop into a little hook zone and snag a pick 6 when the offense in struggling…bonus points if the guy can play FB in short yardage offensive sets

Then I think Tommy’s D MIGHT be able to work
 
Black & Gold Bleeder said:
correct me if im wrong,, its ok with me,, BUT

Our Defense isnt dependant on the great D linemen, but having D linemen occupy offensive linemen so our LB's can make the plays.
BUT with this hybrid system of 2 DL, its more dependant on having 2 stud D linemen. This is where the rubber meets the road
on our defensive conversations.
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Two-gap DL was LeBeau’s scheme, one-gap is Tomlin’s Tampa-2 scheme.
 
If we only have 2 DL, one and preferably both need to be able to command double teams otherwise we will continue to see Watt getting swallowed up. Watt and Highsmith are only 250 lbs going against tackles that are 320ish. If they get their hands on them, they are mostly taken out of the play. The math just doesn't work anymore. They really need to go back to 3 DL and 2 OLB's in a true 3-4 alignment. All 5 can rush (ie. Blitzburgh) or 1 can fall back into space. BUT, Tomin is too stubborn and won't adjust the D. So, we always here the blame put on communication or guys not in their gaps.

If they aren't going QB in round 1 this year, they need to get a big run stuffer who can rush the passer and command double teams like Grant from Michigan.
 
TDX27 said:
If we only have 2 DL, one and preferably both need to be able to command double teams otherwise we will continue to see Watt getting swallowed up. Watt and Highsmith are only 250 lbs going against tackles that are 320ish. If they get their hands on them, they are mostly taken out of the play. The math just doesn't work anymore. They really need to go back to 3 DL and 2 OLB's in a true 3-4 alignment. All 5 can rush (ie. Blitzburgh) or 1 can fall back into space. BUT, Tomin is too stubborn and won't adjust the D. So, we always here the blame put on communication or guys not in their gaps.

If they aren't going QB in round 1 this year, they need to get a big run stuffer who can rush the passer and command double teams like Grant from Michigan.
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The other thing they try to do, when they go two DL is bring a safety down into the box so he can read pass or run and adjust. The problem is, unless that safety reads the run perfectly and is able to shoot the gap, they are easily taken out of the play by a TE or OL. Elliot has been the best they've had in the position, and is a solid tackler, but if he can't get to the ball carrier, it doesn't matter how good of a tackler he is.

They either need to make the switch to a real 4-3, or find the elusive hybrid SS/LB they were trying to sign a few years back with Mark Baron and Morgan Burnett. You can't run this Tampa 2 concept from a 3-4 personnel grouping.
 
TDX27 said:
If we only have 2 DL, one and preferably both need to be able to command double teams otherwise we will continue to see Watt getting swallowed up. Watt and Highsmith are only 250 lbs going against tackles that are 320ish. If they get their hands on them, they are mostly taken out of the play. The math just doesn't work anymore. They really need to go back to 3 DL and 2 OLB's in a true 3-4 alignment. All 5 can rush (ie. Blitzburgh) or 1 can fall back into space. BUT, Tomin is too stubborn and won't adjust the D. So, we always here the blame put on communication or guys not in their gaps.

If they aren't going QB in round 1 this year, they need to get a big run stuffer who can rush the passer and command double teams like Grant from Michigan.
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Couldn’t agree more!

The math ain’t mathing.

At some point if the philosophy is to pay edge rushers a premium then an investment in a double team commanding immovable force in the middle is required to protect the investment in the OLBs so they can pay dividends.

It just makes zero sense to allocate boatloads of cap to a position easily schemed out of the game by the opposing OC.
 
Fiji Mariner said:
Couldn’t agree more!

The math ain’t mathing.

At some point if the philosophy is to pay edge rushers a premium then an investment in a double team commanding immovable force in the middle is required to protect the investment in the OLBs so they can pay dividends.

It just makes zero sense to allocate boatloads of cap to a position easily schemed out of the game by the opposing OC.
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It's why I want Grant or Harmon in the first, might be able to get Collins in the third, but that's a hope and a prayer. But if they have to go Dart in the first, because of how bad they screwed the QB situation up, it's just going to hurt them more in other areas. Yes QB is the most important position, but there are holes all over this roster, and they need filled so that the big money players can do the jobs they are being paid big money to do.
 
insaniti said:
It's why I want Grant or Harmon in the first, might be able to get Collins in the third, but that's a hope and a prayer. But if they have to go Dart in the first, because of how bad they screwed the QB situation up, it's just going to hurt them more in other areas. Yes QB is the most important position, but there are holes all over this roster, and they need filled so that the big money players can do the jobs they are being paid big money to do.
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I've mocked all 3 of those dudes to the Steelers many times especially back when we had a 2nd round pick and didn't think our QB situation was relying on a 41+ dude.
 
i'm beginning to want to believe that we're going to pull a draft day trade if Dart isnt around at 1.21.
Probably take a DL in the first, then flip a pick to Detroit or New England for Hooker or Milton.
 
TDX27 said:
I've mocked all 3 of those dudes to the Steelers many times especially back when we had a 2nd round pick and didn't think our QB situation was relying on a 41+ dude.
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Same here, and even landed Dart a few times in the second. As players jostle for position during these pro days, and draft boards change as free agency options dwindle, it's becoming harder and harder to see a scenario in which we able to land both a starting quality DL AND Dart, and that also pushes other needs down the list of the next best option.

RB is a concern, while the class is deep, the ones with true breakaway speed shallows the class a bit. And while I figured we'd chill a bit with the WR's, we seem to be visiting the same ones we were looking at prior to the DK trade. And I don't see value in trading GP (even if we miraculously are able to get a 2nd for him) on draft day, only to take another WR and rely on said rookie to be better than what we had last year. They tried when they drafted Wilson, and he had like 5 snaps all year, and even when he was healthy enough to return, they kept him out.

I saw a mock the other day that hard Dart going to NO, and had the Steelers taking Shough in the first, with the claim that he's rising up some draft boards and could be taken in the second now. I laughed, but also said anything is possible as I threw up in my mouth a little bit.
 
Superman said:
i'm beginning to want to believe that we're going to pull a draft day trade if Dart isnt around at 1.21.
Probably take a DL in the first, then flip a pick to Detroit or New England for Hooker or Milton.
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If NE is truly asking a 3rd for Milton, I don't know man...might as well draft Milroe at that point.
 
insaniti said:
The other thing they try to do, when they go two DL is bring a safety down into the box so he can read pass or run and adjust. The problem is, unless that safety reads the run perfectly and is able to shoot the gap, they are easily taken out of the play by a TE or OL. Elliot has been the best they've had in the position, and is a solid tackler, but if he can't get to the ball carrier, it doesn't matter how good of a tackler he is.

They either need to make the switch to a real 4-3, or find the elusive hybrid SS/LB they were trying to sign a few years back with Mark Baron and Morgan Burnett. You can't run this Tampa 2 concept from a 3-4 personnel grouping.
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Thats how we won in 08... Tomlin merged Tampa two backfields with zone blitz fronts


But these days Ilbs are too small to shift like that. And we dont blitz or even zone blitz out of the formation anymore...

If we switched to a 4-3 it would just be Watt abd Highsmith on the line... they are edge bodytypes... they would play DE in a 4-3 in fact when Dupree was her for a couple years they listed Watt and him as DEs on the official roster...

The problem with us playing 4-3 is our ilbs are basically safeties and we dont have areal MLB and lining them ip as olbs gives us an extra small front overall...

In 2009/2010 they started wanting ILBs to play 10-20 lbs lighter than they were for coverage purposes... Farrior had to drop weight... this was to counter a no running all passing league... its switching back ... you have to commit to something besides the modified Tampa Two now
 
insaniti said:
Same here, and even landed Dart a few times in the second. As players jostle for position during these pro days, and draft boards change as free agency options dwindle, it's becoming harder and harder to see a scenario in which we able to land both a starting quality DL AND Dart, and that also pushes other needs down the list of the next best option.

RB is a concern, while the class is deep, the ones with true breakaway speed shallows the class a bit. And while I figured we'd chill a bit with the WR's, we seem to be visiting the same ones we were looking at prior to the DK trade. And I don't see value in trading GP (even if we miraculously are able to get a 2nd for him) on draft day, only to take another WR and rely on said rookie to be better than what we had last year. They tried when they drafted Wilson, and he had like 5 snaps all year, and even when he was healthy enough to return, they kept him out.

I saw a mock the other day that hard Dart going to NO, and had the Steelers taking Shough in the first, with the claim that he's rising up some draft boards and could be taken in the second now. I laughed, but also said anything is possible as I threw up in my mouth a little bit.
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When Shough was believed to be a late Seventh or undrafted guy, I was thrilled with thecidea of taking him late

When it was suggested he might need to go in the sixth, I was on board with trading down in the fifth and taking him....

When it was suggested he might be a fourth... well i mean he had a hell of a combine...
but you dont take a soon to be 26 year old in the first or second... hell the third is pushing it unless you absolutely are certain about him...

Bigtime shough fan here and I say absolutely no to him in the first
 
madinsomniac said:
Thats how we won in 08... Tomlin merged Tampa two backfields with zone blitz fronts


But these days Ilbs are too small to shift like that. And we dont blitz or even zone blitz out of the formation anymore...

If we switched to a 4-3 it would just be Watt abd Highsmith on the line... they are edge bodytypes... they would play DE in a 4-3 in fact when Dupree was her for a couple years they listed Watt and him as DEs on the official roster...

The problem with us playing 4-3 is our ilbs are basically safeties and we dont have areal MLB and lining them ip as olbs gives us an extra small front overall...

In 2009/2010 they started wanting ILBs to play 10-20 lbs lighter than they were for coverage purposes... Farrior had to drop weight... this was to counter a no running all passing league... its switching back ... you have to commit to something besides the modified Tampa Two now
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When I say switch to a real 4-3, I'm talking full on roster switch. IE not extending Watt, and drafting for the switch this year, and finishing it out in FA next. The reason the meshing even worked in 08 is because he still had LeBeau who could make it work. Like you said, with the blitzing and the mind of LeBeau you could merge and make just about any defense work. And when you have menacing guys like Harrison, prime Woodley, Polamalu wreaking havoc wherever they lined up, and Keisel, Smith, and Big snack eating up blocks it works.

But he's gone away from the DL guys that eat up blocks and force doubles, and allows the offense to scheme Watt out of the game because he doesn't have those big bodied guys on the DL. That alone kills any shot of it working. And now, with how badly the QB situation is, you can't even correct the DL issue and fix the D because you'll have to reach for a QB.
madinsomniac said:
When Shough was believed to be a late Seventh or undrafted guy, I was thrilled with thecidea of taking him late

When it was suggested he might need to go in the sixth, I was on board with trading down in the fifth and taking him....

When it was suggested he might be a fourth... well i mean he had a hell of a combine...
but you dont take a soon to be 26 year old in the first or second... hell the third is pushing it unless you absolutely are certain about him...

Bigtime shough fan here and I say absolutely no to him in the first
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I'm with you, and I don't even care that he's 26. But he's not a first round pick, and I don't think Dart is either. But that's the gigantic hole they've created, and as much as I like the DK trade, not having a QB locked up right now is making that 2nd round pick hurt a hell of a lot more than it did before. And trading GP to try and recoup that pick only puts us right back where we were last year with the WR room, with even less behind DK. Then you still have to draft a WR, making the GP trade really a wash for this year...
 
insaniti said:
It's why I want Grant or Harmon in the first, might be able to get Collins in the third, but that's a hope and a prayer. But if they have to go Dart in the first, because of how bad they screwed the QB situation up, it's just going to hurt them more in other areas. Yes QB is the most important position, but there are holes all over this roster, and they need filled so that the big money players can do the jobs they are being paid big money to do.
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I’d be happy with Dart in first if available or Grant if Dart is gone or a trade back if neither is available and there isn’t some great player that dropped.

There’s several big bodies available between Grant, Walker, Collins, Norman-Lott etc,
Stackhouse late rounds as a double dip.

Wait til the run on the bigs gets going in 2nd or 3rd and if necessary move up to grab one.
(Package 3rd with 3rd-4th next year and throw in a 6th or 7th if necessary) or just let the player come to them in third if no run happens.

That covers the two biggest needs QB and NT
4–5 grab a RB and a BPA OL
Everything after that is just flyers anyways for later round positions like TE, S or a double dip

WR and CB are less of a need post FA

Pickens, Metcalf, CA3, Wilson, Skowronek, Miller
JPJ, Slay, Trice, Echols, Bishop, Watts

That’s 6 at each already, sure more talent can always be added but they could play tomorrow and be an upgrade from what they were last season.
 
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