As far as Timmons goes, all three are easy.
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As far as Timmons goes, all three are easy.
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If they are better and younger, seems unlikely they will be cheaper. If they are cheaper, seems likley that they are either older or not better.
Yes, bring him in. He'll add depth, and bring experience to a young LB core. Even if Timmons doesn't play
every snap, third down situations in a pass rush to the QB, can disrupt plays.... one of the best. But, must check the gas in the tank tho, off season conditioning will tell.
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every snap, third down situations in a pass rush to the QB, can disrupt plays.... one of the best. But, must check the gas in the tank tho, off season conditioning will tell.
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He's a cold weather guy...Never seen blowing chunks in three Burgh..... bring him back...
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I should add that this is, in general. With his years, vet min might be quite high? I dont know what it is.
Younger and faster is good...Shazier, the best yet. But in his absence (Shazier) Ilb to stop the run.
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We need ILBs that can run sideline to sideline, Timmons can't do that. Chicago and Jax ran off tackle and outside the tackles with a ton of success, especially to our left side.
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Ark, I know a lot of us here scream "vet minimum" and speaking for myself, don't really know that dollar$$$$ number. Yes I speak out of my *** but am to lazy to look it up. Taking just a guess I'd venture 2.75-3.75 million..........??
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I was guessing higher for someone in the league as long as he has might be higher, but zero knowledge of such
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It looks like a 10+ year vet minimum is $1,015,00.00. But only if I read it properly???? It's a little confusing the article I read as it allows for the player to be paid more but only takes that cap hit. It's like $15,000 per year of service. Maybe someone with a little "CAPtology" could chime in here.......... Thanks in advance
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I'm thinking of kendrel bell. Who would be playing on his rookie contract.
Or a 3rd or 4th year player, that is behind someone who is All pro.
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Only for depth and cheap.
I give up, yinz want an over the hill Buck LBer to backup a Mack LBer position...have at it.
There's a reason that Williams won that spot over Timmons and that Timmons is out there lookin' for a job but hey...we'll take em anyway.....sigh
I don't care if he played for free, he still ain't worth it. The way our defense plays, those ILBer spots are not interchangeable. Might as well of put Deebo back there while we had him.
There's a reason that Williams won that spot over Timmons and that Timmons is out there lookin' for a job but hey...we'll take em anyway.....sigh
I don't care if he played for free, he still ain't worth it. The way our defense plays, those ILBer spots are not interchangeable. Might as well of put Deebo back there while we had him.
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Still remember Farrior getting burned his last two seasons. When these guys get over 30 at MLB they just aren't the same as the young pups. Its time to move on.
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I've reversed my thoughts on this matter. There has to be a younger / faster out there and we should search far and wide
to make it happen. Bring in free agent (if we have any money due to Bell) and draft high ILB Mach
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to make it happen. Bring in free agent (if we have any money due to Bell) and draft high ILB Mach
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And we got Farrior from the JETS i think as a free agent.
At the time the deal took place, Farrior, who was originally drafted by the New York Jets with the 8th overall selection in the first round of the 1997 NFL Draft out of Virginia, was 27 years of age and coming off of a season that included him registering 142 total tackles, 2 interceptions and 3 forced fumbles.
The Steelers were able to sign Farrior to a three-year contract with a base value of $5.4 million that included a $1.7 million signing bonus. Farrior, however, stood to earn a total of $7.05 million over the course of the three years as another $1.65 million was available to him in the form of NLTBE (not likely to be earned) incentives that were tied to playing time and league honors. Reports at that time indicated that Farrior could earn $450,000 each season should he play in 85 percent of the team’s defensive snaps and an additional $100,000 per season if he were to receive certain league honors.
so yeah this is what i was talking about when i said i want all three.
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Williams didn't beat out Timmons, Timmons was too expensive. Williams had far less tackles than Timmons usually had.
If they bring him in and he is in competition with Williams, Timmons plays.
If they bring him in and he is in competition with Williams, Timmons plays.
We got Farrior in his prime. Tell me you would sign the Farrior who struggled to cover his last 2 seasons here to be your starter if you could go back in time. I still can see him getting burnt by RBs because his legs were gone. We don't need to go out and sign someone for nostalgia as a stop gap measure. Vince Williams plays Timmons spot and he's played well. We need a replacement for Shazier and that's coming via the draft or via a younger player in UFA. No reason to bring Timmons back because he knows the system.
i know,, i agree. Im not talking about signing an old farrior, or an old timmons.
I'm talkin about the farrior "DEAL"
I'm talkin about the farrior "DEAL"
Not saying I want Timmons at all....but didn't we have that sideline to sideline in ILB the 1st time we played the Jags and against DaBears? Our run stopping D scheme was flawed as well as the lack of improvement from the NT spot.
True, but if you look at the first Jags game, we held him to under 4ypc and he was at 80 yards until he ripped that 90 yarder at the end when we had everyone at the line desperate to make a stop.
Shazier had a bad game vs Chicago for sure.
I agree, as I said earlier in this post, we need to add so beef up front so we can have a minimum of 3DL on the field at all times, and rotate them to keep them fresh and hopefully give a little more room for our LBs to run.
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If you look at beef up front, we have Heyward and Tuitt signed long term. That leaves the weak link in the middle in Hargrave. I also think we have a huge issue at LOLB in Dupree. He can't contain for ****. Its time for an upgrade there as well.
The Farrior deal is probably our best ever free agent signing. He was a clutch player for us for a long time. We kept that defense together a couple years longer than we should have though.
While true, Hargrave was playing well and then he got a back injury and his play fell off, and he's only a 2nd year guy. We need another guy similar to him so we always have that size in the middle with Heyward and Tuitt.
I agree, Dupree looked bad lately, especially the playoff game. The biggest bust of that game was Heyward and Tuitt, our highest paid defensive guys, and they did nothing
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The LBs need to fill the gaps in our defense and hold contain. A lot of those runs went right at Dupree. Even when Shazier was on the field we had problems stopping the run. There has to be a better answer to this problem.