Kovacevic: How are the Steelers doing this? ‘Everything starts with Coach Tomlin’ ?

[SCSteeler4life]

Tomlin is doing a better job this year. I can give him credit for that. However, his seven wins this season have come against teams with a combined 27-57 record, including two against the very worst team in the league.

If you're a Tomlin lover, I guess that's good enough for you to say, "See, we told you so -- Tomlin Rulz!" Good for you.

For me, with the amount of injuries the Steelers have had this season, beating a bunch of ****** teams is nice, but it doesn't validate 10+ years of coaching underachievement.

There is 2 sides to that 4 of our losses have been to the 4 best teams in the league. Baltimore, New England , San Fran and Seattle. The only bad loss was the first one to the Browns. He has done a great job this year but I finally lean toward the we could use a change at the HC position.

 

[antdrewjosh]

It started last week when Tomlin treated Hodges — a fourth-stringer during the preseason — the same way he would treat Mason Rudolph or even Roethlisberger during game week. So what if Hodges was making his first start at Heinz Field? So what if a loss would do perhaps irreparable damage to the Steelers’ playoff hopes?

“I wanted him to know I had confidence in him and I thought extra time and extra points of emphasis and more dialogue than normal would prove to him that I didn’t,” Tomlin said. “I was very conscious of my interactions with him. It was no more than normal because I wanted him to know that we had real confidence in him.”



Is it just me or is that a coach with a pretty good feel for his players?


Tomlin’s impact continued during halftime when he made a series of defensive adjustments to stop the Browns’ run game, adjustments that all but shut down the Browns. They scored 10 points in the first half, 3 in the second. They had 92 rushing yards in the first half, 14 in the second. They had 183 total yards in the first half, 96 in the second. Quarterback Baker Mayfield was 10-of-17 for 98 yards and a touchdown in the first half, 8-of-15 for 98 yards and an interception in the second. “He saved the game for us,” one Steelers player said of Tomlin to ESPN’s Dianna Russini.

Joe Haden might be Tomlin’s biggest fan in the locker room. At one point after the game, he said, “I appreciate him.” Later, he said, “I love him.”

“He definitely always has the next-man-up mentality, but he practices what he preaches,” Haden said. “He always says he doesn’t have backup players, he has starters-in-waiting. I really feel like he feels that way. When he bumps up guys, he expects them to play the same way the other guys did. …

“Coach T gives us great nuggets, gives us great film study. He meets with the DBs and linebackers twice a week. That is something I have never done with any other coach. Your head coach telling you what the game plan is, what you have going on. He’s very hands on with everything on the team. I appreciate him.”

Haden was asked why he believes Tomlin’s message doesn’t get stale with the players even though Tomlin is in his 13th season with the Steelers.

“You wouldn’t tune out Coach T because he is giving you great knowledge, great information. The only thing you want from your coach is he is bluntly honest with you. He will let you know where you stand, if you are making plays, if you are not, if he is going shopping for another guy. Just his transparency. And then he really believes in us and really feels like we can do it until we show him otherwise. I love him.”

Commentary: Steelers following Mike Tomlin's lead more than ever
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[Omar10213245]

You guys are ******* hilarious. Here's what he's done this year:

won with his 3rd and 4th rostered QBs (he was 0-2 with Ben)

Lost his top 3 rostered RBs for some portion of this year, and hasn't played with all 3 since Sept.

Lost AB and JuJu, dumped Moncrief and Switzer and is winning with Washington, Cain, Jones, Holton, and rookie DJ

Won 2 straight games without his pro bowl center, RB, WR, and QB.

Took our D from dogshit to top 10 in 12 weeks.

Your arguments are laughable, because you can always change them to your agenda. Steelers win 7 games and are in the playoff hunt.

Argument 1: They did it against bad teams: Didn't Tomlin have trouble beating those bad teams?

Argument 2: If the Steelers currently had a losing record: See Tomlin can't beat bad teams...

YAWN...

Also I love the I picked the Steelers to have 7 wins this season. Yeah, when Ben was the QB. Way to go out on a limb nostradumbass, since the Steelers have gone through Ben, Dobbs, Rudolph, and are now settling for an undrafted rookie free agent, who also now happens to be 2-0 as a starter.

This year, there is no question who coach of the year is, and the only people who can't see it are agenda driven Steeler fans...

agenda driven?? complete and utter dogshit from this website's biggest Tomlin sack-rider. Give me a ******* break, no one on here is wanting Tomlin gone for the hell of it. If you can't see his MANY deficiencies over a body of work extending past a decade worth of time, then that's on your blind ***.

 

[Sarge]

Coach Tomlin is doing a fantastic job this year. I truly believe that. It would be hard for any coach to win considering the adversity this team has faced.

That said, where were the awesome coaching performances when the team was stacked and healthy? If he had coached in this manner, drawing **** on the sidelines and personally coaching up the players, who knows where this team might have gone. I don't get it.

The defense is playing pretty damn good football right now. By his own admission, Tomlin has stated that he doesn't play defense the same way when Big Ben is healthy and playing. Why? What kind of sense does that make? If he had, dude could be a legend.

Regardless, I am happy the Steelers are 7-5 considering the adversity this team has faced all year. I thought for sure 3-13 or 4-12 was in the cards when Big Ben went down. But, suddenly, the D gets aggressive, adds a fabulous safety and POOF, the world is right again in Pittsburgh.

 

[Sarge]

You mean Tomlin's defense? That's all we heard for months from the debbie downer, anti-Tomlin crew. How we suck cause Tomlin has his hands all over this D. Funny how those same naysayers are now in retreat....must be extremely painful to give credit where credit is due. Such is life for the haters...what goes up must come down.

Come on Tibs. This isn't the same defense he was running even last year. Similarity? Yes. Not to mention there were plenty of personnel upgrades on the defense coming into this season. And why did the team need those upgrades? Because the guys Tomlin picked in the draft sucked. It is a lot of factors. I'm just happy to see the Steelers playing Steelers defense again.

 

[Cras108er]

You guys are ******* hilarious. Here's what he's done this year:

won with his 3rd and 4th rostered QBs (he was 0-2 with Ben)

Lost his top 3 rostered RBs for some portion of this year, and hasn't played with all 3 since Sept.

Lost AB and JuJu, dumped Moncrief and Switzer and is winning with Washington, Cain, Jones, Holton, and rookie DJ

Won 2 straight games without his pro bowl center, RB, WR, and QB.

Took our D from dogshit to top 10 in 12 weeks.

Your arguments are laughable, because you can always change them to your agenda. Steelers win 7 games and are in the playoff hunt.

Argument 1: They did it against bad teams: Didn't Tomlin have trouble beating those bad teams?

Argument 2: If the Steelers currently had a losing record: See Tomlin can't beat bad teams...

YAWN...

Also I love the I picked the Steelers to have 7 wins this season. Yeah, when Ben was the QB. Way to go out on a limb nostradumbass, since the Steelers have gone through Ben, Dobbs, Rudolph, and are now settling for an undrafted rookie free agent, who also now happens to be 2-0 as a starter.

This year, there is no question who coach of the year is, and the only people who can't see it are agenda driven Steeler fans...

Standing ******* ovation Cope!!

The ones I like best are, “I’ll give him credit if we go deep into the playoffs,” from the same people who criticized the Minkah trade, saying “he’s just trying to save his job,” and suggesting we’d have a top five
draft pick in 2020. smh


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[Cras108er]

There is 2 sides to that 4 of our losses have been to the 4 best teams in the league. Baltimore, New England , San Fran and Seattle. The only bad loss was the first one to the Browns. He has done a great job this year but I finally lean toward the we could use a change at the HC position.

Except that we are a bad team... until we weren’t. So, now we’re “expected” to breath the front runners? smh


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[Spike]

One word answer



DUCK!

 

[CharlesDavenport]

Why do people get so excited when Tomlin has the team sucking, then he gets them not sucking for a few games? You hear things like, "He turned a ****** defense into a..." as if it wasn't his ****** defense to start with, or "look what he's doing with those ****** backup QBS.." as if he had nothing to do with having ****** backup QBs. All of a sudden he's COTY because the Steelers are not the worst team in the league. So after getting trounced by the 3-6 Browns, we beat 0-10 Bengals by 6 and the Clowns at home by 7. COTY!

 

[Cras108er]

Why do people get so excited when Tomlin has the team sucking, then he gets them not sucking for a few games? You hear things like, "He turned a ****** defense into a..." as if it wasn't his ****** defense to start with, or "look what he's doing with those ****** backup QBS.." as if he had nothing to do with having ****** backup QBs. All of a sudden he's COTY because the Steelers are not the worst team in the league. So after getting trounced by the 3-6 Browns, we beat 0-10 Bengals by 6 and the Clowns at home by 7. COTY!

I bet a could dig through the archives and find a comment from you saying, “let’s see what he does when he doesn’t have a future HOF QB,” to rely upon. Love how the narrative constantly shifts.


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[SteelerFromIndia]

In hindsight while Tomlin may have under achieved or needed on the job experience to develop game management skills, I still think he has done a great job in other aspects of responsibilities. For starters, during the Killer B's Era the locker room drama was never revealed to the public. What we saw in L. BELL suspensions, injuries, hold outs is enough to impact a consistent game plan and identity for a team. Only later to be out done by A.B. drama. While we the fans were crowning him as the next HOFer, AB was being a cancer in the locker room. It's obvious to see that their teammates were impacted by what those two brought to the locker room for the last 2-3 years. Tomlin managed a lot and I doubt there are too many other qualifies HC that could have hadn't these things any better.

Look around the league not too many coaches are having any long term success outside of one person(Billy boy). McCarthy, Harbaugh, and Payton are the closest in comparison to Tomlin.

I do not want to sign up for a carousel of HC trying to find a needle in a haystack when I have someone who is in the Tier 1 of coaches. Regardless of his weaknesses, the NFL players have the most respect for him. Google players like Ryan Clark, Ike Taylor and Deangelo Williams say about Tomlin. They are in the locker rooms, meeting rooms, sidelines, and flights with Tomlin. He is a leader of men. I don't think this has been "his best coaching" as if he hasn't been adequate enough in years past. I just think people don't give him enough credit when he has meet expectations and really just off the deep end on mistakes.

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I agree with each and every point. If any 3 Bs this year continue we would have still in mess. At least now I have lot of faith on future.

Yesterday I read some where that this year he knows everyone's name on the Roster but not past. That's would give lot of insight of past years.

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[Coryea]

We've lost to the good teams and beat the bad teams. We have like 10 1st rounders on defense, and finally we're a good defense. He's doing good this season with the injuries, but we've beaten 1 team with a winning record. This season doesn't erase the past 10 seasons.

 

[Coryea]

I agree with each and every point. If any 3 Bs this year continue we would have still in mess. At least now I have lot of faith on future.

Yesterday I read some where that this year he knows everyone's name on the Roster but not past. That's would give lot of insight of past years.

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Wait, so you're saying if Ben was still playing we'd be a mess????

 

[CharlesDavenport]

I bet a could dig through the archives and find a comment from you saying, “let’s see what he does when he doesn’t have a future HOF QB,” to rely upon. Love how the narrative constantly shifts.


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No, you would find me incredibly consistent over the last few years.

 

[antdrewjosh]

No, you would find me incredibly consistent over the last few years.

Yes we would

"Tomlin sucks"

No shade CD.

 

[Steelmann]

You guys are ******* hilarious. Here's what he's done this year:

won with his 3rd and 4th rostered QBs (he was 0-2 with Ben)

Lost his top 3 rostered RBs for some portion of this year, and hasn't played with all 3 since Sept.

Lost AB and JuJu, dumped Moncrief and Switzer and is winning with Washington, Cain, Jones, Holton, and rookie DJ

Won 2 straight games without his pro bowl center, RB, WR, and QB.

Took our D from dogshit to top 10 in 12 weeks.

Your arguments are laughable, because you can always change them to your agenda. Steelers win 7 games and are in the playoff hunt.

Argument 1: They did it against bad teams: Didn't Tomlin have trouble beating those bad teams?

Argument 2: If the Steelers currently had a losing record: See Tomlin can't beat bad teams...

YAWN...

Also I love the I picked the Steelers to have 7 wins this season. Yeah, when Ben was the QB. Way to go out on a limb nostradumbass, since the Steelers have gone through Ben, Dobbs, Rudolph, and are now settling for an undrafted rookie free agent, who also now happens to be 2-0 as a starter.

This year, there is no question who coach of the year is, and the only people who can't see it are agenda driven Steeler fans...

Cope,for one of the posters I respect on this board,I am a little insulted by this response. “ Agenda driven Steeler fans” what the heck does that even mean? I have never been on the nonstop fire Tomlin line of thinking. And I hope he turns my way of thinking around in the next 2 seasons. Your points for this year are valid,obviously with all the adversity we have been through. Does this mean we should forget about all the absolutely frustrating inconsistence games,from this talent rich team?

I could go on and on about the absolute disappointment of winning 3 games out of 10 in playoff appearances,or hey.....not even making the playoffs. Just within the last year....that absurd losing streak last season with so many questionable decisions,that humiliating NE loss this season. Do you really not put any of that on him? When we seem to come out so flat,so unprepared,so uninspired,is none of that on him?

Look,I know I can’t have it both ways. For all the times we have screamed about Mike Tomlin’s **** defense in the past,we certainly now have to give him credit for building a top 5 defense. It’s just hard to forget about all those ugly,ugly games with all that talent.

It’s great to see the players give credit to CMT,but I do believe we definitely get complacent. That goes for all of us. Sometimes A shake up is in order. I have no idea,if this is the answer. Who’s to say he hasn’t got the most possible out of the team in the past 10 years? Now my “Agenda” as a Steelers fan is the SB. While I realize we can’t win every year,I expect maximum effort,great preparation,and a type of energy,enthusiasm. I believe there was a hell of a lot left on the table.

 

[SteelerFromIndia]

Wait, so you're saying if Ben was still playing we'd be a mess????

Because of Ben we have issues with Bell and Brown. He only elevated Bell by saying 2and best WR in the rooster, then Next season Bell did not showed up for WR+RB type huge deal. Other side, He only created monster in Brown by feeding excessive at the cost of other WR careers. Apart from this creating noise by talking about retirement and risk taking abilities etc. other side Brady winning rings and sitting besides to us for most championships. Our guy never showed any urgency irrespective of lot of talent around him.

After First game lose with Pat's, Deion Sandards said Ben would not play entire season, he will say some injury and sit aside. Ben is such predictable from past few seasons.

We have many leaders in our team from Cam Heyward to Pouncey. I see only different attitude with Ben compared to others. Beginning of the season I thought Ben would proved me wrong. But he did not get a chance. Hope he proved wrong.

But till then I root for other QBs. Earlier I rooted for Rudolph but did not worked, now I am rooting for Duck.

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[slashsteel]

SMH got damn Ben again!

 

[Coryea]

Because of Ben we have issues with Bell and Brown. He only elevated Bell by saying 2and best WR in the rooster, then Next season Bell did not showed up for WR+RB type huge deal. Other side, He only created monster in Brown by feeding excessive at the cost of other WR careers. Apart from this creating noise by talking about retirement and risk taking abilities etc. other side Brady winning rings and sitting besides to us for most championships. Our guy never showed any urgency irrespective of lot of talent around him.

After First game lose with Pat's, Deion Sandards said Ben would not play entire season, he will say some injury and sit aside. Ben is such predictable from past few seasons.

We have many leaders in our team from Cam Heyward to Pouncey. I see only different attitude with Ben compared to others. Beginning of the season I thought Ben would proved me wrong. But he did not get a chance. Hope he proved wrong.

But till then I root for other QBs. Earlier I rooted for Rudolph but did not worked, now I am rooting for Duck.

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LMAO!!!!!
Look up AB's #s without Ben. How's Bell doing without Ben? Did Ben make up that injury? The guy plays through everything if possible.
Was it Ben's decision to let AB stay in a townhouse at Latrobe rather than on campus? Did you not see Ben tell AB and the other WR's "let's go, coach is here" while AB was facebook live in the locker room? Ben made AB throw that furniture? Ben made AB act like a total *** in Oakland too? Damn Ben has some crazy voodoo doll **** on AB.
Top 10 QB of all-time, shows no urgency? The defense gave up 5 4th quarter leads last year, two of them were double digit leads. If Ben were healthy we have homefield right now, oh wait Tomlin doesn't try to play good defense when Ben is in there.

 

[Cras108er]

We've lost to the good teams and beat the bad teams. We have like 10 1st rounders on defense, and finally we're a good defense. He's doing good this season with the injuries, but we've beaten 1 team with a winning record. This season doesn't erase the past 10 seasons.

Considering we’re one of the winningest teams in the NFL in the past ten seasons, I’m not sure exactly what he’s supposed to erase. Spare me the “we should have won multiple SB’s.” Spare me the “underachieving BS.” Was


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[Coryea]

Considering we’re one of the winningest teams in the NFL in the past ten seasons, I’m not sure exactly what he’s supposed to erase. Spare me the “we should have won multiple SB’s.” Spare me the “underachieving BS.” Was


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This isn't the Pirates fan base, .500 isn't a successful season, no one is saying multiple super bowls, how about winning more than 3 playoff games in 10 seasons with the talent we've had?

 

[SteveA]

All the Tomlin hater just need to SHUT THE **** UP right now...In our last 7 games we are 6 and ******* 1 *******....

Quit Bitching about Tomlin right now, because Bug eyes is coaching his ******* *** off *******....We are have a MUDDER ****** SEASON ladies...An EPIC season

Rant over

 

[slashsteel]

This isn't the Pirates fan base, .500 isn't a successful season, no one is saying multiple super bowls, how about winning more than 3 playoff games in 10 seasons with the talent we've had?

That should be everyone's agenda, to want better playoff results than that..

 

[Drink IRON City]

TOMLIN is doing a hell of a job this season. EXCUSE me if I'm a little cautious in moving forward to crowning him all time greatest. Last year's melt down caused a disturbance in the off season and I think that disturbance was voiced directly and into Mike Tomlin's ear by OWNERSHIP. Tomlin isn't just fighting for his JOB but also fighting to re-establish the STEELERS to the great franchise is has been known for but upheaval-ed under Coach Tomlin's watch. He is fighting for a legacy and I'm all for what ever motivation it takes.

Nothing matters except the W's & L's so as long as he stays ahead with the W's he will be gaining more and more respect.





Salute the nation

 

[Cras108er]

Because of Ben we have issues with Bell and Brown. He only elevated Bell by saying 2and best WR in the rooster, then Next season Bell did not showed up for WR+RB type huge deal. Other side, He only created monster in Brown by feeding excessive at the cost of other WR careers. Apart from this creating noise by talking about retirement and risk taking abilities etc. other side Brady winning rings and sitting besides to us for most championships. Our guy never showed any urgency irrespective of lot of talent around him.

After First game lose with Pat's, Deion Sandards said Ben would not play entire season, he will say some injury and sit aside. Ben is such predictable from past few seasons.

We have many leaders in our team from Cam Heyward to Pouncey. I see only different attitude with Ben compared to others. Beginning of the season I thought Ben would proved me wrong. But he did not get a chance. Hope he proved wrong.

But till then I root for other QBs. Earlier I rooted for Rudolph but did not worked, now I am rooting for Duck.

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Love how everyone wants to blame everyone for AB’s behavior except AB. He’s a grown man, and he was going to do what he did. Tomlin nor Ben we’re changing that, just like Brady, Belichick, Gruden, nor Carr had any control.


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