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Kovacevic: How are the Steelers doing this? ‘Everything starts with Coach Tomlin’ ?

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Excellent job by Tomlin this season, his best ever. I hope he’s in line for a big, fat extension. Possibly adding a GM role if Colbert hangs ‘em up or at least have a strong say in the hire. Tomlin represents everything great about the Steelers: loyalty, grit & determination and playing winning team football. Not another guy out there I’d rather see leading this team.
 
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Excellent job by Tomlin this season, his best ever. I hope he’s in line for a big, fact extension. Possibly adding a GM role if Colbert hangs ‘em up or at least have a strong say in the hire. Tomlin represents everything great about the Steelers: loyalty, grit & determination and playing winning team football. Not another guy out there I’d rather see leading this team.
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1989 was considered Chuck Nolls finest coaching performance... he retired in 91 rather than facing the Rooneys firing him or making him fire much of his staff...

Tomlin has done a great job, but again without a afc title game appearance before bens career is over, he won’t be around for the rebuild ....
 
He needs to make sure his hires in the future are best available coach, not who he is friendly or familiar with... he needs to start having guys ready to fill in when vets walk away or are injured... so we aren’t seeing as steep a learning curve for fill ins, and he has to keep growing as a sideline strategist... he has improved greatly there but still has more to go...
 
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Tomlin is judged as doing great because the expectations were so low this season. I fully expected no better than 7-9 and now it looks like he may continue his record of no losing seasons. He overachieves when the talent isn't there and underachieves when it is. When we were healthy, we were demolished 33-7. While this season has probably locked him in the job for as long as he wants to coach, I'm not sold on Tomlin.
 
I’m not sold as well. But a winning season does make him more attractive to one Daniel Snyder if that rumor is actually true. But a lot must occur meaning Tomlin has to be receptive to a trade to Washington, as does Rooney, and what is the compensation.
Also, is Colbert going to retire and if so now you have two positions to fill plus coordinators who will most likely be replaced.
Could happen and would provide much needed high draft capital if they play this correctly. It’s sort of a return home for Tomlin who also knows Ben May never be the same.


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My bar is the playoffs and winning in them. It's been a long time. I don't care about anything but them competing for championships. I'm happy to win games,but let's face it. They've had a bunch of years with a lot less excuses and a lot more healthy talent only to fail big in the playoffs.

If the goal is winning championships then we've fallen way way short for a long long time.
 
https://www.dkpittsburghsports.com/2019/12/02/steelers-offense-deep-passing-browns-fdl/



The Steelers have now scored just three points on their opening drive of a game this season, that coming against the 49ers back in Week 3. They also have just four first downs on their first possession of the game, which is far less than ideal.

But, with a touchdown drive to open the second half Sunday, they have now scored 34 points on their first possession of the second half.

Those are the halftime adjustments some fans say this coaching staff does not make.

• For those keeping track, the defense has given up 16 points — one touchdown and three field goals — on opening drives of the game and 14 points — two touchdowns — to opponents on their first drive of the second half.

And the two scores they have allowed came against the Patriots and 49ers. The Steelers have now gone nine games without allowing a score on the opening possession of the second half.
 
A let down game is usually a follow up after articles like these start appearing. I hope not.

If Tomlin gets this team to the playoffs and then the AFCC game, I'll be on board with coach of the year. I expect to win with this defense. If Brad Johnson can win a SB then we should be able to make a run.
 
OK sure first Tomlin


then DUCK!

then JAMES WASHINGTON


They were brilliant
 
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I expect to win with this defense.
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You mean Tomlin's defense? That's all we heard for months from the debbie downer, anti-Tomlin crew. How we suck cause Tomlin has his hands all over this D. Funny how those same naysayers are now in retreat....must be extremely painful to give credit where credit is due. Such is life for the haters...what goes up must come down.
 
Even The biggest Tomlin hater has to admit that he is coaching his best this year. Maybe losing two potential hall of fame players to trade and free agency, and losing 1 sure fire hall of famer to injury, woke Tomlin up.

Regardless the reason, he is doing an amazing job and if we go to the playoffs and do anything, he would deserve coach of the year.
 
Tomlin's best year was the SB victory season. He won the big prize. The ultimate prize. Then it goes to playoff victories. Anything after that whatever. This season isn't even over and a few want to crown it as his best coaching performance? Ridiculous

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I am pragmatic about Tomlin... I don’t hate him, I do hold him accountable for a decade of underperforming. He absolutely has done a better job this year in several areas, but He has shortcomings and they have hampered this team... i want to stress that he also has slowly improved in a lot of areas he needed to...

The one thing I will continue to pound him on is that he absolutely sucks at putting a staff together

His best “hires” were guys forced on him by the front office or cowher holdovers...

It’s beyond “obvious” that he has taken over the defensive coordinator position, which had to happen after the first few games... Butler, an ok LB coach, was overmatched badly...

Speaking of Lbs... its not exactly hard to pin Dupree finally developing a few other basic techniques with replacing the LB coach... and right now having developed exactly none of the development project rushers behind him means tge Steelers likely are stuck overpaying him in the offseason...

It’s also pretty apparent that Tom Bradley, who as a Rooney friend was forced on him after several failures at db coach, has finally started revamping the secondary, mostly with outside guys...

The offense is a mess and while losing a trio of all pros in Bell, Ben, and Brown hurts, its an incoherent mess of a scheme right now...

Special teams are erratic at best... we finally have solved our kick coverage but lack anything in the way of a return game...

And how many years have we had young backup qbs and no qb coach per se... that might be fine if we had a true qb guru on staff, but we don’t....

Lets face it, Tomlin is doing a fine job, but most of it is just managing holes he should have addressed long before this...

The bottom line is Tomlin was very young when he got this job and he may well just be figuring some stuff out... but that doesn’t excuse things... as he likes to say, the standard is the standard.... failure to win a superbowl or at least come close is a failure... everything around it like injuries or bad luck is just noise...

If we drop a few games and miss The playoffs all this season boils down to is one season closer to him being jettisoned....
 
Tomlin is doing a better job this year. I can give him credit for that. However, his seven wins this season have come against teams with a combined 27-57 record, including two against the very worst team in the league.

If you're a Tomlin lover, I guess that's good enough for you to say, "See, we told you so -- Tomlin Rulz!" Good for you.

For me, with the amount of injuries the Steelers have had this season, beating a bunch of ****** teams is nice, but it doesn't validate 10+ years of coaching underachievement.
 
We have blown how many 4th quarter leads? We had been relying on defensive scores to win games and the QBs have been playing in shackles until we get down. Fitz automatically made the D better and the pressure has been consistent this year. Still have too many Lbs trying to cover Wrs, but the D has been much better. The offense and offensive playcalling has severely regressed until the 2nd half of last game where they turned the QB loose. It is hard to say how much was rudolph, Fitchner, or duck though. Overall i am certainly not sold on Tomlin. One part of a season does not erase several years of epic failures
 
We've beaten one team that currently has a winning record, the Rams and Goff has never won a game in the cold.
Im not sold, earlier in the season he was asked about the defense playing so well, and his response was you call the defense differently with Ben in there at QB then you do when he's out. What????? Why can't you try to dominate on defense no matter who the QB is

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We've beaten one team that currently has a winning record, the Rams and Goff has never won a game in the cold.
Im not sold, earlier in the season he was asked about the defense playing so well, and his response was you call the defense differently with Ben in there at QB then you do when he's out. What????? Why can't you try to dominate on defense no matter who the QB is

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I had read that at the time as well and posted a pretty rant about it. I can't get that reasoning either. Yes TOMLIN has done well with what he has got and deserves an attA boy but I don't quite see COTY as of yet.






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In hindsight while Tomlin may have under achieved or needed on the job experience to develop game management skills, I still think he has done a great job in other aspects of responsibilities. For starters, during the Killer B's Era the locker room drama was never revealed to the public. What we saw in L. BELL suspensions, injuries, hold outs is enough to impact a consistent game plan and identity for a team. Only later to be out done by A.B. drama. While we the fans were crowning him as the next HOFer, AB was being a cancer in the locker room. It's obvious to see that their teammates were impacted by what those two brought to the locker room for the last 2-3 years. Tomlin managed a lot and I doubt there are too many other qualifies HC that could have hadn't these things any better.

Look around the league not too many coaches are having any long term success outside of one person(Billy boy). McCarthy, Harbaugh, and Payton are the closest in comparison to Tomlin.

I do not want to sign up for a carousel of HC trying to find a needle in a haystack when I have someone who is in the Tier 1 of coaches. Regardless of his weaknesses, the NFL players have the most respect for him. Google players like Ryan Clark, Ike Taylor and Deangelo Williams say about Tomlin. They are in the locker rooms, meeting rooms, sidelines, and flights with Tomlin. He is a leader of men. I don't think this has been "his best coaching" as if he hasn't been adequate enough in years past. I just think people don't give him enough credit when he has meet expectations and really just off the deep end on mistakes.

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In hindsight while Tomlin may have under achieved or needed on the job experience to develop game management skills, I still think he has done a great job in other aspects of responsibilities. For starters, during the Killer B's Era the locker room drama was never revealed to the public. What we saw in L. BELL suspensions, injuries, hold outs is enough to impact a consistent game plan and identity for a team. Only later to be out done by A.B. drama. While we the fans were crowning him as the next HOFer, AB was being a cancer in the locker room. It's obvious to see that their teammates were impacted by what those two brought to the locker room for the last 2-3 years. Tomlin managed a lot and I doubt there are too many other qualifies HC that could have hadn't these things any better.
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Why is it a great thing to allow one guy to disrupt the locker room and keep it a secret? He isn't a 16 year old school girl. i don't give a damn how well he can keep a secret. Fact is that now we know AB was a cancer and Tomlin allowed it to happen. He allowed AB to show up late and do whatever he wanted to do. I'm not sure why some think that is a good thing?

Tomlin's greatest achievement is hanging around forever. I don't want to sign up for 10 more years of none playoff winning football. Seriously could nobody have done better in the last 10 years? Nobody could have won more than 3 playoff game in the last 10 years with all that talent?
 
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In hindsight while Tomlin may have under achieved or needed on the job experience to develop game management skills, I still think he has done a great job in other aspects of responsibilities. For starters, during the Killer B's Era the locker room drama was never revealed to the public. What we saw in L. BELL suspensions, injuries, hold outs is enough to impact a consistent game plan and identity for a team. Only later to be out done by A.B. drama. While we the fans were crowning him as the next HOFer, AB was being a cancer in the locker room. It's obvious to see that their teammates were impacted by what those two brought to the locker room for the last 2-3 years. Tomlin managed a lot and I doubt there are too many other qualifies HC that could have hadn't these things any better.

Look around the league not too many coaches are having any long term success outside of one person(Billy boy). McCarthy, Harbaugh, and Payton are the closest in comparison to Tomlin.

I do not want to sign up for a carousel of HC trying to find a needle in a haystack when I have someone who is in the Tier 1 of coaches. Regardless of his weaknesses, the NFL players have the most respect for him. Google players like Ryan Clark, Ike Taylor and Deangelo Williams say about Tomlin. They are in the locker rooms, meeting rooms, sidelines, and flights with Tomlin. He is a leader of men. I don't think this has been "his best coaching" as if he hasn't been adequate enough in years past. I just think people don't give him enough credit when he has meet expectations and really just off the deep end on mistakes.

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As a head coach he has failed miserably at surrounding himself with top end coaches...

Lebeau and arians were cowher holdouts, and arians wasn’t the greatest oc anyhow... he is the only person who coached under tomlin to get an actual head coaching job in the nfl... and even he lucked into it when the head coach who hired him after he was forced out here fell ill and he got an interim job to prove himself....he has two others who got extremely low level college jobs... thats it.. his position coaches arent sought out as coordinators, his coordinators don’t get hc offers... his current coordinators are two guys he coached with in a low level college program together at oc and dc and an old special teams coach from his tampa bay days...


Look at cowher, who constantly had coordinators and assistants poached... when he assembled a staff it had virtually no one he had past ties to ... tge closest he came to anyone on his first staff with ties to him was Marvin Lewis who came from the same era and area as he did... and it wasn’t like they had close ties...

I mean Tomlin jettisoned LeBeau for his friend Bitler and the best position coach ge has had, munch, left for a lateral move...


He absolutely sucks at staff building... just abysmal...
 
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Why is it a great thing to allow one guy to disrupt the locker room and keep it a secret? He isn't a 16 year old school girl. i don't give a damn how well he can keep a secret. Fact is that now we know AB was a cancer and Tomlin allowed it to happen. He allowed AB to show up late and do whatever he wanted to do. I'm not sure why some think that is a good thing?

Tomlin's greatest achievement is hanging around forever. I don't want to sign up for 10 more years of none playoff winning football. Seriously could nobody have done better in the last 10 years? Nobody could have won more than 3 playoff game in the last 10 years with all that talent?
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This is really all that has to be said. Three playoff wins in the last 10 years with all that talent and those wins against total injury plagued back up QB teams. . It makes me sick. Obviously our memories are short. Think of all the embarrassing losses. Think of the NE loss. I can’t get over the underperforming bs. Think of that losing streak last year. I have nothing personally against MT,but geeeeez are we really going to have him for another 5 years. It shall be interesting.
 
You guys are ******* hilarious. Here's what he's done this year:

won with his 3rd and 4th rostered QBs (he was 0-2 with Ben)

Lost his top 3 rostered RBs for some portion of this year, and hasn't played with all 3 since Sept.

Lost AB and JuJu, dumped Moncrief and Switzer and is winning with Washington, Cain, Jones, Holton, and rookie DJ

Won 2 straight games without his pro bowl center, RB, WR, and QB.

Took our D from dogshit to top 10 in 12 weeks.

Your arguments are laughable, because you can always change them to your agenda. Steelers win 7 games and are in the playoff hunt.

Argument 1: They did it against bad teams: Didn't Tomlin have trouble beating those bad teams?

Argument 2: If the Steelers currently had a losing record: See Tomlin can't beat bad teams...

YAWN...

Also I love the I picked the Steelers to have 7 wins this season. Yeah, when Ben was the QB. Way to go out on a limb nostradumbass, since the Steelers have gone through Ben, Dobbs, Rudolph, and are now settling for an undrafted rookie free agent, who also now happens to be 2-0 as a starter.

This year, there is no question who coach of the year is, and the only people who can't see it are agenda driven Steeler fans...
 
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