Kahn vs. Colbert

[i_just_dont_care]

Including the draft just completed, Khan’s drafts have left a lot to be desired. And I’m upset the teams always seem to know what we want to do. Like there’s someone in our organization leaking out draft specifics.

Regarding the majority of this draft, the theme was an average of 1.5 rounds early or a geriatric’s sex life. As for the little George Smiley novel you’re spinning, it’s Hanlon’s razor. "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.” Some people are just more competent than others.

 

[Coryea]

Omar just completed his 4th draft as the GM.
Colberts first 4 drafts included Hampton, Bell, Simmons, El, Hope, Foote, Keisel, Troy, Ike, Ben, Starks. 10 Super Bowl starters.

Again there is no comparison, like I said before, let me know when Kahn drafts a HOF player.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Some guys were good in their era, but when the era changed, they didn't evolve. That was Colbert, and in a greater sense, the entire Steelers organization.

Colbert used to regularly draft HOF'ers but around 2007 something changed and suddenly he wasn't as good.

 

[Steel Maniac]

Colbert used to regularly draft HOF'ers but around 2007 something changed and suddenly he wasn't as good.

And that in a nutshell is the issue; starting with the controlling Rooney right now. Still stuck in the past . Operating like it’s still the 1990’s.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Omar just completed his 4th draft as the GM.
Colberts first 4 drafts included Hampton, Bell, Simmons, El, Hope, Foote, Keisel, Troy, Ike, Ben, Starks. 10 Super Bowl starters.



Again there is no comparison, like I said before, let me know when Kahn drafts a HOF player.

Colbert used to regularly draft HOF'ers but around 2007 something changed and suddenly he wasn't as good.

Some say HC are not that big of influence, I disagree.

Cowher left, Tomlin entered and drafting went down hill from there.

I’m sure there are other factors, but is definately one of them.




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[Steel Maniac]

Some say HC are not that big of influence, I disagree.

Cowher left, Tomlin entered and drafting went down hill from there.

I’m sure there are other factors, but is definately one of them.




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I totally agree with this

 

[Coryea]

Some say HC are not that big of influence, I disagree.

Cowher left, Tomlin entered and drafting went down hill from there.

I’m sure there are other factors, but is definately one of them.




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They fired Tom Donahue because he drafted Troy Edwards when Cowher wanted Jevon Kearse. Coaches have a huge say.

 

[bigben]

Is it?

Last i checked you're just a chump like me.

I may be, but I am smart enough to realize the comparison has zero to do with anyone's opinion. Just numbers. Nobody's opinion changes the statistics. Some of the talent Colbert drafted was league best statistically, best to ever wear B&G historically. let me know when kahn does anything close.

 

[bigben]

Colbert used to regularly draft HOF'ers but around 2007 something changed and suddenly he wasn't as good.

Say what you want about Tomlin years. Don't tell me he didn't have the tools. The Killer bee's, TJ, Kahn, let alone any GM in the league, will ever put that level of Talent on the same field, Not in our lifetime.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Say what you want about Tomlin years. Don't tell me he didn't have the tools. The Killer bee's, TJ, Kahn, let alone any GM in the league, will ever put that level of Talent on the same field, Not in our lifetime.

And what did Shades do with that talent?
I’m counting 3 playoff wins in 15 years.

 

[steelhurt]

I’ve said it a several times here that Cowher and Colbert worked very well together but Tomlin and Colbert did not.
I’ll add this… Never been a Kahn fan. Thought it was a typical Art hire putting him in this position. They needed to keep him as the Capologist which he was good at and made Andy the GM who worked in Philly under Howie Roseman.
Regardless of how this first round debacle turns out which doesn’t matter how successful either of these two draft picks turn out, the process was totally embarrassing for the team. That’s the point!
Kahn had a wealth of draft picks to barter with if Lemon was the desired target. He could have been on the phone with Carolina at 19 or Detroit at 18 when they started to go on the clock.
Wouldn’t have cost a great deal to move up 2 or 3 spots, most likely a third and fourth if that.
He sat on his hands, called the draft pick before his team was even on the clock and showed his hand.
Philly sitting a couple spots behind the Steelers got wind and moved right in. ******* stupid and careless.
Four years at his job you simply cannot make these mistakes. Got played by the much better GM.

 

[Drink IRON City]

And what did Shades do with that talent?
I’m counting 3 playoff wins in 15 years.

He didn’t do Jack-**** with it.

Keep in mind ind that he also inherited a prime HOF QB who is one equally responsible for the
“Non-losing seasons the coach accepts so much credit for.

Actually regressed with all that “star” powered talent.





Salute the nation

 

[bigben]

And what did Shades do with that talent?
I’m counting 3 playoff wins in 15 years.

Agreed. But shades has nothing to do with colbert players vs kahn players from the draft. Different conversation

 

[i_just_dont_care]

Kahn had a wealth of draft picks to barter with if Lemon was the desired target. He could have been on the phone with Carolina at 19 or Detroit at 18 when they started to go on the clock.
Wouldn’t have cost a great deal to move up 2 or 3 spots, most likely a third and fourth if that.
He sat on his hands, called the draft pick before his team was even on the clock and showed his hand.
Philly sitting a couple spots behind the Steelers got wind and moved right in. ******* stupid and careless.
Four years at his job you simply cannot make these mistakes. Got played by the much better GM.

Heck, if Vega Ioane was the target, they could’ve made a deal with LA. Still shocked, they were that fond of Simpson. I think the Rams could’ve gotten him at twenty four. Hypothetically, regardless of the Johnson chart, I’m guessing a few thirds and the first swapped would’ve gotten it done. Keep in mind, they don’t have to be this year’s picks.

 

[SteelerFan448]

Heck, if Vega Ioane was the target, they could’ve made a deal with LA. Still shocked, they were that fond of Simpson. I think the Rams could’ve gotten him at twenty four. Hypothetically, regardless of the Johnson chart, I’m guessing a few thirds and the first swapped would’ve gotten it done. Keep in mind, they don’t have to be this year’s picks.

I just heard on I think DK's podcast they were willing to trade up to 15 with Tampa Bay to draft Lemon, but once Bain dropped, it wasn't possible.

 

[slashsteel]

I just heard on I think DK's podcast they were willing to trade up to 15 with Tampa Bay to draft Lemon, but once Bain dropped, it wasn't possible.

They sure have had their share of difficulties with the position. Hoping Bernard ends up being equally productive. I think he is more interchangeable inside and out in comparison.

 

[SteelerFan448]

They sure have had their share of difficulties with the position. Hoping Bernard ends up being equally productive. I think he is more interchangeable inside and out in comparison.

The big difference is upside, where Lemon has the edge. However, I think we are getting a non-diva WR with Bernard and in terms of value, the Steelers definitely got one of the last top OT prospects. FWIW, I don't think Lemon has alpha WR ability, so it isn't like the Steelers passed on a future AB, Julio Jones, etc.

 

[slashsteel]

The big difference is upside, where Lemon has the edge. However, I think we are getting a non-diva WR with Bernard and in terms of value, the Steelers definitely got one of the last top OT prospects. FWIW, I don't think Lemon has alpha WR ability, so it isn't like the Steelers passed on a future AB, Julio Jones, etc.

Bernard perhaps a Jakobi Meyers type with a little Deebo mixed in.

 

[i_just_dont_care]

They sure have had their share of difficulties with the position. Hoping Bernard ends up being equally productive. I think he is more interchangeable inside and out in comparison.

I think the big difference is in skill set. If my memory serves me, Lemon is a guy who’s got some twitch and also can take the top off. With Pittman, DK and Bernard, you’ve got three similar skill sets. Germie is a better guy to have in a locker room from what we’ve seen regarding the draft interviews. Regarding Lemon, that whole thing still has me befuddled. That being said, if Lemon’s goal was to tank a bit and go to a contender, mission accomplished. That’s some three dimensional chess.

 

[slashsteel]

I think the big difference is in skill set. If my memory serves me, Lemon is a guy who’s got some twitch and also can take the top off. With Pittman, DK and Bernard, you’ve got three similar skill sets. Germie is a better guy to have in a locker room from what we’ve seen regarding the draft interviews. Regarding Lemon, that whole thing still has me befuddled. That being said, if Lemon’s goal was to tank a bit and go to a contender, mission accomplished. That’s some three dimensional chess.

I think Bernard is different in that he has short area burst you can play him inside and he can flourish there. Not sure you would throw DK inside. You can also move Pittman around but not sure Lemon would be outside and be comfortable there.

 

[i_just_dont_care]

There’s definitely some stuff done around the line of scrimmage regarding Bernard. I remember some screens and stuff but I can’t say I was paying a ton of attention to Alabama this year. Regarding DK, I think he ran some drags and stuff at one point, maybe not recently. I guess we’ll see, just my opinion.

 

[slashsteel]

There’s definitely some stuff done around the line of scrimmage regarding Bernard. I remember some screens and stuff but I can’t say I was paying a ton of attention to Alabama this year. Regarding DK, I think he ran some drags and stuff at one point, maybe not recently. I guess we’ll see, just my opinion.

I think the difference with Lemon is his YAC ability will be attractive inside.

Bernard seems to be more of the route running cut will get open move the chain type.

Both of these players have some similarities yet notable differences.

I think both players will prove to be good players…

You are right DK is versatile capable and I could see the new coaching staff pushing each of the three mentioned into showing just that.

Push their limits into less predictability..

 

[i_just_dont_care]

I think Bernard is different in that he has short area burst you can play him inside and he can flourish there.

You’re not going to like what I have to say but it’s a serious inquiry. Isn’t Roman Wilson supposed to be that sort of guy? Just saying, I’m not certain how it all fits. Who’s the guy who takes the top off? There’s a lot of possession stuff but whose the seperator, big play guy?

 

[slashsteel]

You’re not going to like what I have to say but it’s a serious inquiry. Isn’t Roman Wilson supposed to be that sort of guy? Just saying, I’m not certain how it all fits. Who’s the guy who takes the top off? There’s a lot of possession stuff but whose the separator, big play guy?

Not sure what happened to Wilson. Just didn’t develop, looks like he is on the way out. Sure he will get training camp looks but he has to be considered a bubble player for now.