Judgement Day "Shady Brady" vs. Roger - OFFICIAL THREAD

[Spike]

Where is our inside scoop?

Tom Brady's appeal of Deflategate suspension ends after 10 hours

It's unknown when commissioner Roger Goodell will reach a decision. It's extremely unlikely to come before the end of June.

http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story...patriots-qb-tom-brady-ends-10-hours-testimony

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We should find out before September, hopefully

 

[Steelers1356]

Like I said... its pre planned... stall before making the primary ruling, stall to appeal, stall for the appeal hearing, stall for the decision, wait a bit, file a lawsuit, get an injunction against the appeal, drag out the hearing tilla soft spot in the schedule... play till then...

Brady will probably try and drag it out until he retires.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

Like I said... its pre planned... stall before making the primary ruling, stall to appeal, stall for the appeal hearing, stall for the decision, wait a bit, file a lawsuit, get an injunction against the appeal, drag out the hearing tilla soft spot in the schedule... play till then...

Yep, stalled by injunctions and appeals until Week 3 against Jacksonville. I'm tapping out if he's back week one.....college only.

 

[Steelr4evr]

Unbelievable. Of course since the NFL is a bunch of corrupt bullshit it makes perfect sense now. All Brady would have to do is threaten to drop dime on EVERYTHING. Game,set &match! I'm not going to miss the product it has become.

 

[deljzc]

It would be interesting (this is a wild speculation) if Brady threatened to blow the lid entirely off of Spygate if he's not exonerated for Deflategate.

He's got to know a lot about the inside scoop, severity, extent and cover up (if any) of Spygate. Even if he comes clean on everything he knows about Spygate and decides to throw Bill Belichick under the bus (just like Belichick basically threw Brady under the bus for Deflategate) in some exclusive 60-minutes interview that has to cause the NFL to pause in their decision to proceed with punishment, right?

We've long suspected that long after Belichick and Brady retire that much more information about Spygate would come to light and tight lips would start to loosen up a bit.

Maybe Brady drops the bomb and starts talking and bringing all that old baggage back into the light. If his legacy is already tainted (in his eyes) because of Deflategate, why not take everyone and their brother down on the ship with you?

 

[Wingman]

It would be interesting (this is a wild speculation) if Brady threatened to blow the lid entirely off of Spygate if he's not exonerated for Deflategate.

He's got to know a lot about the inside scoop, severity, extent and cover up (if any) of Spygate. Even if he comes clean on everything he knows about Spygate and decides to throw Bill Belichick under the bus (just like Belichick basically threw Brady under the bus for Deflategate) in some exclusive 60-minutes interview that has to cause the NFL to pause in their decision to proceed with punishment, right?

We've long suspected that long after Belichick and Brady retire that much more information about Spygate would come to light and tight lips would start to loosen up a bit.

Maybe Brady drops the bomb and starts talking and bringing all that old baggage back into the light. If his legacy is already tainted (in his eyes) because of Deflategate, why not take everyone and their brother down on the ship with you?

Lets assume that marsha** decides to commit a felony Blackmail and risk prison in addition to other penalties. Rodger says he is banned for life and drops a 5 million dollar fine on him and seizes assets through the court to pay the fine. He also gets a warrant for criminal charges and has brady** jailed and using his influence gets a judge to hold him with out bail since he is a flight risk to leave the country. I would offer an alternative that if that is the play made Rog has many options and can say that since that came to light he has no other option but to eliminate all awards the cheats have had and disband the team. In order to maintain the number of teams in the NFL a new franchise will be awarded to the city of LA. The players on the patriots will all be placed in a supplemental draft to be conducted among the remaining teams this season. Belicheat will receive a lifetime ban as will the entire staff of the cheatriots and all employees of the organization. Kraft will be forbidden from ever having anything to do with the NFL.

Since all of that will be the result of marsha's blackmail scheme all of the affected parties will sue him in civil court for damages. Even if they do not get judgements the defense of all the legal action should bankrupt him.

Looks like the rog has a stronger hand of cards.

It is much like the guy in the Batman Movie that thinks blackmail has a chance. Morgan Freeman says you suspect that one of the richest men in the world is secretly a vigilante that goes out at night and beats hardened criminals to a pulp and your plan is to blackmail him? did you think this through?

 

[Omar10213245]

Lets assume that marsha** decides to commit a felony Blackmail and risk prison in addition to other penalties. Rodger says he is banned for life and drops a 5 million dollar fine on him and seizes assets through the court to pay the fine. He also gets a warrant for criminal charges and has brady** jailed and using his influence gets a judge to hold him with out bail since he is a flight risk to leave the country. I would offer an alternative that if that is the play made Rog has many options and can say that since that came to light he has no other option but to eliminate all awards the cheats have had and disband the team. In order to maintain the number of teams in the NFL a new franchise will be awarded to the city of LA. The players on the patriots will all be placed in a supplemental draft to be conducted among the remaining teams this season. Belicheat will receive a lifetime ban as will the entire staff of the cheatriots and all employees of the organization. Kraft will be forbidden from ever having anything to do with the NFL.

Since all of that will be the result of marsha's blackmail scheme all of the affected parties will sue him in civil court for damages. Even if they do not get judgements the defense of all the legal action should bankrupt him.

Looks like the rog has a stronger hand of cards.

It is much like the guy in the Batman Movie that thinks blackmail has a chance. Morgan Freeman says you suspect that one of the richest men in the world is secretly a vigilante that goes out at night and beats hardened criminals to a pulp and your plan is to blackmail him? did you think this through?

This. I want all of this.

 

[oicu8ad]

It would be interesting (this is a wild speculation) if Brady threatened to blow the lid entirely off of Spygate if he's not exonerated for Deflategate.

He's got to know a lot about the inside scoop, severity, extent and cover up (if any) of Spygate. Even if he comes clean on everything he knows about Spygate and decides to throw Bill Belichick under the bus (just like Belichick basically threw Brady under the bus for Deflategate) in some exclusive 60-minutes interview that has to cause the NFL to pause in their decision to proceed with punishment, right?

We've long suspected that long after Belichick and Brady retire that much more information about Spygate would come to light and tight lips would start to loosen up a bit.

Maybe Brady drops the bomb and starts talking and bringing all that old baggage back into the light. If his legacy is already tainted (in his eyes) because of Deflategate, why not take everyone and their brother down on the ship with you?

They always do as the years go by!

 

[Stryker]

I like your view Del, but to use Spygate as leverage is all Brady would do with it. It would be a bluff only and a threat to use. He is fighting Deflategate now because he doesn't want his reputation tarnished at all. If he were to push Spygate past a bluff, he'd fold, because it would completely discredit ALL of his Championships.

His Uggs wearing Ego is too big for that to happen.

 

[deljzc]

Lets assume that marsha** decides to commit a felony Blackmail and risk prison in addition to other penalties. Rodger says he is banned for life and drops a 5 million dollar fine on him and seizes assets through the court to pay the fine. He also gets a warrant for criminal charges and has brady** jailed and using his influence gets a judge to hold him with out bail since he is a flight risk to leave the country. I would offer an alternative that if that is the play made Rog has many options and can say that since that came to light he has no other option but to eliminate all awards the cheats have had and disband the team. In order to maintain the number of teams in the NFL a new franchise will be awarded to the city of LA. The players on the patriots will all be placed in a supplemental draft to be conducted among the remaining teams this season. Belicheat will receive a lifetime ban as will the entire staff of the cheatriots and all employees of the organization. Kraft will be forbidden from ever having anything to do with the NFL.

Since all of that will be the result of marsha's blackmail scheme all of the affected parties will sue him in civil court for damages. Even if they do not get judgements the defense of all the legal action should bankrupt him.

Looks like the rog has a stronger hand of cards.

It is much like the guy in the Batman Movie that thinks blackmail has a chance. Morgan Freeman says you suspect that one of the richest men in the world is secretly a vigilante that goes out at night and beats hardened criminals to a pulp and your plan is to blackmail him? did you think this through?

I don't think Brady has more to lose than the league. Brady could just hang them up and retire. He is 37.

And even if the league WANTED to blackball Brady, would a team's fan base let them? You're telling me if Brady was released by New England for having a 60-minutes interview about Spygate that a team like Houston wouldn't be interested? There are laws protecting whistle blowers from repercussions from their employers in this country.

And why is it even a problem? Let's say Brady just felt like getting the whole spygate thing off his chest.... is that really against any written law? Is there something in his contract with the Patriots that prevents him from talking about stuff back in 2004 during his career? How is it any different than reminiscing about throwing bombs to Randy Moss in 2007?

I see no potential damage at all for Brady. Most think he's a cheater already, why not blame it all on Belichick? It certainly wasn't Brady's idea as a 2nd year pro in 2001 to steal signals, send information into his headset or run electrical interference during the other team's offense. He's just doing as he's told by the Big Bad Head Coach, right?

It really all comes down to how pissed Brady is right now at being left on an island by his organization and head coach when it comes to the whole issue.

You know my position, I think Brady was mostly in the dark and didn't give a damn about psi just how good they felt when he threw them. And he was a dick to the ball boys to make sure the balls were the same every game. Not sure that's cheating or not. I think cheating occurred by the ball boys (the text message seem to indicate as much), but I'm certainly not convinced it was mandated for them to do it in a certain way by higher ups or some organization conspiracy to do it for multiple benefits (like lowering the risk of fumbles for instance).

Brady can retire at any point. He doesn't need the money. He doesn't need the fame. He has all that already. He has 4 super bowl rings. He's guaranteed in the hall-of-fame regardless if he spills the beans on Spygate or not.

All I'm saying is there is no doubt that he could CRUCIFY the league and Belichick for their handling of Spygate if he wanted to. And knowing Jeffery Kessler (Brady's attorney) it wouldn't surprise me at all if that idea was just accidentally mentions during this whole thing behind closed doors and "off the record".

 

[Wingman]

I don't think Brady has more to lose than the league. Brady could just hang them up and retire. He is 37.

And even if the league WANTED to blackball Brady, would a team's fan base let them? You're telling me if Brady was released by New England for having a 60-minutes interview about Spygate that a team like Houston wouldn't be interested? There are laws protecting whistle blowers from repercussions from their employers in this country.

And why is it even a problem? Let's say Brady just felt like getting the whole spygate thing off his chest.... is that really against any written law? Is there something in his contract with the Patriots that prevents him from talking about stuff back in 2004 during his career? How is it any different than reminiscing about throwing bombs to Randy Moss in 2007?

I see no potential damage at all for Brady. Most think he's a cheater already, why not blame it all on Belichick? It certainly wasn't Brady's idea as a 2nd year pro in 2001 to steal signals, send information into his headset or run electrical interference during the other team's offense. He's just doing as he's told by the Big Bad Head Coach, right?

It really all comes down to how pissed Brady is right now at being left on an island by his organization and head coach when it comes to the whole issue.

You know my position, I think Brady was mostly in the dark and didn't give a damn about psi just how good they felt when he threw them. And he was a dick to the ball boys to make sure the balls were the same every game. Not sure that's cheating or not. I think cheating occurred by the ball boys (the text message seem to indicate as much), but I'm certainly not convinced it was mandated for them to do it in a certain way by higher ups or some organization conspiracy to do it for multiple benefits (like lowering the risk of fumbles for instance).

Brady can retire at any point. He doesn't need the money. He doesn't need the fame. He has all that already. He has 4 super bowl rings. He's guaranteed in the hall-of-fame regardless if he spills the beans on Spygate or not.

All I'm saying is there is no doubt that he could CRUCIFY the league and Belichick for their handling of Spygate if he wanted to. And knowing Jeffery Kessler (Brady's attorney) it wouldn't surprise me at all if that idea was just accidentally mentions during this whole thing behind closed doors and "off the record".

Totally missing the point. Threatening to talk about something that is damaging to another unless certain things are done or compensation is given is blackmail and illegal, not whistle blowing. Whistle blowing would occur if he came forward and disclosed this information freely and with out expectations of compensation radically different than your post and the premise that it has any value as leverage. At this point if he comes forward and dumps on the league after the fact it still looks retaliatory and not whistle blowing as he was an active part in the original acts. Whistle blowing is designed to protect those reporting illegal acts from repercussions of unscrupulous employers not to reward the parties responsible.

All I'm saying is there is no doubt that he could CRUCIFY the league and Belichick for their handling of Spygate if he wanted to. And knowing Jeffery Kessler (Brady's attorney) it wouldn't surprise me at all if that idea was just accidentally mentions during this whole thing behind closed doors and "off the record".

That is the offense called blackmail. Once done the league can go after him in a great many ways. There are legal nondisclosure agreements that are inplace to prevent such things being discussed outside of league offices.

The teams fan base has no leverage at all none nada zip.

It would not be black balling marsha** it would be punishing him for actions detrimental to the league. If his legal representation is stupid enough to try this it would make him part of the crime and the crime would be conspiracy to commit a crime which carries the same penalties as the crime itself and counts as a second count, it can also under the right conditions be covered under the Rico laws for organized crime adding an additional offense.

Your thoughts on blackmail being successful here are not well founded. The league has nothing to loose that will affect the money machine they have. Spin and revealing after the fact that marsha** provided information regarding other offenses that they were not aware of only makes their case stronger. Look back to the Rice deal, no one believed that the league did not know what happened but they managed to spin it so everything fell on Rice.

It would be easy to do the same to marsha**, he will be seen as honest and forthright as any mobster or organized crime figure and in short order he will be crucified in the media. Marsha can loose his lively hood and be subject to penalties and be forbidden from getting any advertisement or endorsement money based on anything to do with the NFL in which case he has much more to loose than the league. If you think the league suffers anything in the way of financial damage for cheating by one of it's franchises that it is now punishing for it you will be in for a rude awaking, this will only be more free advertisement by every news agency and folks will begin watching a new team in new england.

 

[Shane Falco]

If I was the commish, I would wait until wildcard weekend of 2025 to give my decision and make Jan continue to sit out

 

[SteelBuckeye]

We won't see anything on this until Friday after 4:30. An old P.R. trick is to wait until Friday late afternoon/early evening, when people are focused on their weekend plans before releasing news that may upset a majority of your audience or a select few who will be very vocal. It also used to keep said news from hitting the newspapers until the next morning (Sat.) because the newspapers had already been printed for the evening edition. Ahhhh nostalgia ... The good old days of newspapers, less scandal and commissioners who were commissioners and not P.R. ringleaders.

 

[Spike]

I predict weeks and weeks of scuttlebutt


League’s reaction to Tom Brady testimony not as glowing

A league source tells Profootballtalk.com that Tom Brady "simply reiterated his denial" regarding involvement in or knowledge of deflating footballs during Tuesday's appeal with commissioner Roger Goodell, and "the answers were regarded by some in the room as not entirely credible."

Reports following Brady's meeting with Goodell indicated Tom Terrific gave an "A+ performance," but it seems league officials disagree. Brady reportedly attacked the Wells Report and stated he "didn't do anything wrong."

PFT's Mike Florio -- a former attorney -- believes it is "unlikely" that Goodell will "fully exonerate" Brady, and may opt to uphold his four-game suspension.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...action-to-tom-brady-testimony-not-as-glowing/

 

[Litos]

Brady just got in there and threw a tantrum

 

[mightyguru]

Gonna drag on and on, apparently. Rog is trying to find a way to let the fans down easy now that he thinks Shady could never be suspended.

 

[Steel G]

I love how Brady (and the P*t fans) are clinging to the science aspect. Look, the texts were damning. Brady's two interviews when the news broke were simply bizarre and Belicheat's were downright comical. They canned the two idiots, if it was all about some bad science, then why were they axed? Not to mention that the owner put his tail between his legs and ran after blowing a lot of smoke. If Goodell backs off of the 4 games, then **** him and the league. That's all I have to say on it. They can shout about science flaws until they are blue in the face. They're guilty ********, that's the bottom line. None of this sloppy cleanup job that they are trying to do 5 months after the fact changes anything.

 

[deljzc]

Totally missing the point. Threatening to talk about something that is damaging to another unless certain things are done or compensation is given is blackmail and illegal, not whistle blowing. Whistle blowing would occur if he came forward and disclosed this information freely and with out expectations of compensation radically different than your post and the premise that it has any value as leverage. At this point if he comes forward and dumps on the league after the fact it still looks retaliatory and not whistle blowing as he was an active part in the original acts. Whistle blowing is designed to protect those reporting illegal acts from repercussions of unscrupulous employers not to reward the parties responsible.



That is the offense called blackmail. Once done the league can go after him in a great many ways. There are legal nondisclosure agreements that are inplace to prevent such things being discussed outside of league offices.

The teams fan base has no leverage at all none nada zip.

It would not be black balling marsha** it would be punishing him for actions detrimental to the league. If his legal representation is stupid enough to try this it would make him part of the crime and the crime would be conspiracy to commit a crime which carries the same penalties as the crime itself and counts as a second count, it can also under the right conditions be covered under the Rico laws for organized crime adding an additional offense.

Your thoughts on blackmail being successful here are not well founded. The league has nothing to loose that will affect the money machine they have. Spin and revealing after the fact that marsha** provided information regarding other offenses that they were not aware of only makes their case stronger. Look back to the Rice deal, no one believed that the league did not know what happened but they managed to spin it so everything fell on Rice.

It would be easy to do the same to marsha**, he will be seen as honest and forthright as any mobster or organized crime figure and in short order he will be crucified in the media. Marsha can loose his lively hood and be subject to penalties and be forbidden from getting any advertisement or endorsement money based on anything to do with the NFL in which case he has much more to loose than the league. If you think the league suffers anything in the way of financial damage for cheating by one of it's franchises that it is now punishing for it you will be in for a rude awaking, this will only be more free advertisement by every news agency and folks will begin watching a new team in new england.

How is telling the truth "criminal" regardless of who it harms?

The truth is any ex-Patriot, from the ball boy to the 3rd string center to Tom Brady can call up the press at any point and talk about Spygate. No law is stopping them.

To say this fact at any point "off the cuff" to the Commish from Brady's camp is not blackmail. It's just the truth.

Only if he was stupid enough to say "I want this for that" would it be blackmail. I'm not suggesting that. I'm just suggesting he could mention he might want to talk to 60-minutes some time and recollect his time with the team back in the early 2000's.

 

[bermudasteel]

I predict weeks and weeks of scuttlebutt


League’s reaction to Tom Brady testimony not as glowing

A league source tells Profootballtalk.com that Tom Brady "simply reiterated his denial" regarding involvement in or knowledge of deflating footballs during Tuesday's appeal with commissioner Roger Goodell, and "the answers were regarded by some in the room as not entirely credible."

Reports following Brady's meeting with Goodell indicated Tom Terrific gave an "A+ performance," but it seems league officials disagree. Brady reportedly attacked the Wells Report and stated he "didn't do anything wrong."

PFT's Mike Florio -- a former attorney -- believes it is "unlikely" that Goodell will "fully exonerate" Brady, and may opt to uphold his four-game suspension.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...action-to-tom-brady-testimony-not-as-glowing/

I can sleep w/ a boner tonight and feel good about it!!!

 

[Steelers1356]

Reports following Brady's meeting with Goodell indicated Tom Terrific gave an "A+ performance

Yep. Brady's personal attorney gave him an A+. I hear his mother gave him an A+ too.

 

[SteelerSask2]

The reason the "Science" story is bullshit is because the league or the Colts knew the balls were under inflated. The guy didn't pick the pass off and go gee coach I think the ball is under inflated by a pound or two. No way. There was a bad blood tip off from the Ravens cause they were pissed about the bullshit reporting eligible plays that likely cost them a chance at the AFC championship.

 

[Wingman]

How is telling the truth "criminal" regardless of who it harms?

The truth is any ex-Patriot, from the ball boy to the 3rd string center to Tom Brady can call up the press at any point and talk about Spygate. No law is stopping them.

To say this fact at any point "off the cuff" to the Commish from Brady's camp is not blackmail. It's just the truth.

Only if he was stupid enough to say "I want this for that" would it be blackmail. I'm not suggesting that. I'm just suggesting he could mention he might want to talk to 60-minutes some time and recollect his time with the team back in the early 2000's.

I will go back to your original post and bring it forward along with the lines from your follow up that you deleted above.

All I'm saying is there is no doubt that he could CRUCIFY the league and Belichick for their handling of Spygate if he wanted to. And knowing Jeffery Kessler (Brady's attorney) it wouldn't surprise me at all if that idea was just accidentally mentions during this whole thing behind closed doors and "off the record".

[QUOTE]It would be interesting (this is a wild speculation) if Brady threatened to blow the lid entirely off of Spygate if he's not exonerated for Deflategate.

He's got to know a lot about the inside scoop, severity, extent and cover up (if any) of Spygate. Even if he comes clean on everything he knows about Spygate and decides to throw Bill Belichick under the bus (just like Belichick basically threw Brady under the bus for Deflategate) in some exclusive 60-minutes interview that has to cause the NFL to pause in their decision to proceed with punishment, right?

We've long suspected that long after Belichick and Brady retire that much more information about Spygate would come to light and tight lips would start to loosen up a bit.

Maybe Brady drops the bomb and starts talking and bringing all that old baggage back into the light. If his legacy is already tainted (in his eyes) because of Deflategate, why not take everyone and their brother down on the ship with you?
[/QUOTE]

In the two posts listed above in color you say

Brady threatened if he's not exonerated

that now meets the requirements for the elements of the crime of blackmail, end of story no gauges needed to prove it it came from your own keyboard.

Second event His legal representative mentions this at any time off the record in a fashion that one would expect it to be used as a negotiation tactic it would now be conspiracy to commit. There is no way to threaten anyone in this manner with out consequences.

If marsha** decides to do this independent of the appeal and after he has accepted his punishment it could then result in sanctions against his employer and possibly against him for violating non disclosure agreements etc, but he could avoid the criminal aspect of the issue.

If I was the Rodger and this was uttered in my presence by his representative or him I would then be on the phone to the state prosecutor who would love to make a big name for himself. I would then swear out an affidavit at that time before anyone could go public with anything. You can bet warrants would be served in a real quick hurry and the penalties against the cheats would be long and glorious.

 

[Confluence]

I can sleep w/ a boner tonight and feel good about it!!!

Dude, if Whorio talking about M*rsha gives you wood, you need some..........counselling.


Maybe SDS can lend a :"hand"?

 

[Confluence]

Wingman for Commish!!!

 

[SteelerSask2]

Yep. Brady's personal attorney gave him an A+. I hear his mother gave him an A+ too.

I don't know about any of you but I associate the word performance with the theatre, movies/ TV. But I guess if the truth isn't on your side and one of the equipment managers is known as the deflator , you need to come up with a good performance.