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Johnny Football, The press is calling on a stack of $100 dollar bills...

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Manziel isn’t ready to play with patience in the pocket. Can he get there with experience? Maybe. But he has a lot to overcome to be a high-level NFL quarterback. He’s a small quarterback with average arm strength and almost no pocket skills and discipline at this point.
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How do the Browns NOT get somebody like Luck? I mean eventually?
 
They jumped on the hype train with both feet. Now they have to ride it out for better or worse.
 
Eh, he may yet turn out to be okay. People thought Doug Flutie was too small and ran around too much but all he did was go out and win games.
 
wig said:
How do the Browns NOT get somebody like Luck? I mean eventually?
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In a draft with Eli, Ben and Rivers, they took Kellen Winslow.

in a draft with Luck and RG3, they traded up for Trent Richardson
 
Ron Burgundy said:
Eh, he may yet turn out to be okay. People thought Doug Flutie was too small and ran around too much but all he did was go out and win games.
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The episode of A Football Life on Flutie was very good. BOston College was his only offer. Tom Coughlin was an assistant coach. Flutie was 7th on depth chart when he arrived. Almost immediately went to 3rd then 2nd. They put him in as a freshman vs a highly ranked Penn State when they were behind by a lot. He led them right down the field for a TD, then another. They were too far behind to win but he started the next game and never lost the job.

Pretty much the story of his NFL career was that the coach didn't want him, he'd get in a game and win, then they'd bench him for a supposed franchise QB. He'd suck. Flutie gets in and wins, they bench him again.

Flutie would probably dominate in today's NFL.
 
Doug Flutie had something Manziel definitely doesn't have in my opinion. He was ridiculously accurate.

Flutie may not have been able to see over the line, but he could throw the ball EXACTLY 26 yards downfield and 13 yards to his left every single time. And he could deliver that ball 2.6 seconds from the moment he got it into his hands. So as long as a receiver was there. Well you were going to have a ball there too.

If you had a precision passing offense, Flutie was your guy. He could make a living off a timing route. Jump into a zone and start covering up those timing routes and suddenly he wasn't such a great passer though.

But then you suddenly discovered the OTHER thing that Doug Flutie could do... Move.

He could move around and THEN throw the ball to EXACTLY the right place.

That guy was a complete stud. Just a complete stud. If he had been 4 or 5 inches taller who knows what he could have done.
 
tapeANaspirin2it said:
In a draft with Eli, Ben and Rivers, they took Kellen Winslow.

in a draft with Luck and RG3, they traded up for Trent Richardson
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And Wilson in that draft. And you can make a argument they missed out on Bridgewater this year. The Brown's is just a factory of sadness.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
Eh, he may yet turn out to be okay. People thought Doug Flutie was too small and ran around too much but all he did was go out and win games.
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Flutie wasn't an *** clown though.
 
wig said:
How do the Browns NOT get somebody like Luck? I mean eventually?
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Well, they are 0 for 22 or something like that from 1999 or thereabouts. So I guess the odds are never in their favor (I feel a Hunger Games reference coming on). That, plus they drafted a QB more interested in Snickers commercials than football, lol.
 
Steel G said:
Flutie wasn't an *** clown though.
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Well like I said, it's early yet. He may turn out to be good in the NFL. Or suck. Granted, the Stains' track record ain't that good. Our QB was an assclown too for a while until a district attorney or two put the fear of God into him. Just sayin'.
They don't need to try to turn Johnny Football into a pocket passer but he'll have happy feet for a while until he gets broken in half a few times.
 
So they expected Manziel to grown 5 inches, become disciplined like Brees, morph into pocket passer like Rodgers, prepare like the elder Manning?

I expected him to broken and out of the NFL in 4 years.
 
fogdoctor said:
I expected him to broken and out of the NFL in 4 years.
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If I was betting money that's where I'd be too. I'm just saying, the guy has played one game. Sure he sucked but when you read John Elway's recollection of his first NFL game and facing Jack Lambert, he didn't think he'd last that long either.
 
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Missing on a draft pick is one thing but IMO the Bears should be more embarrassed for what they've invested in Cutler.
 
Luck sucked in his first game too. 3 picks, a 52.9 rating, and a 20-point loss.
 
topseed said:
Luck sucked in his first game too. 3 picks, a 52.9 rating, and a 20-point loss.
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the difference is the attitude, the physical atributes and the pocket presence that Luck already had when drafted and what Johnny F has right now
 
wig said:
Doug Flutie had something Manziel definitely doesn't have in my opinion. He was ridiculously accurate.

Flutie may not have been able to see over the line, but he could throw the ball EXACTLY 26 yards downfield and 13 yards to his left every single time. And he could deliver that ball 2.6 seconds from the moment he got it into his hands. So as long as a receiver was there. Well you were going to have a ball there too.

If you had a precision passing offense, Flutie was your guy. He could make a living off a timing route. Jump into a zone and start covering up those timing routes and suddenly he wasn't such a great passer though.

But then you suddenly discovered the OTHER thing that Doug Flutie could do... Move.

He could move around and THEN throw the ball to EXACTLY the right place.

That guy was a complete stud. Just a complete stud. If he had been 4 or 5 inches taller who knows what he could have done.
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^^^^this plus he wasnt/isnt an arrogant littler prick.
 
Litos said:
the difference is the attitude, the physical atributes and the pocket presence that Luck already had when drafted and what Johnny F has right now
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Indeed. But I'd be willing to give the guy more than one start before burying his career.
 
topseed said:
Indeed. But I'd be willing to give the guy more than one start before burying his career.
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I think it all starts with the attitude, if he doesn't change it I think he's toast
 
Litos said:
I think it all starts with the attitude, if he doesn't change it I think he's toast
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His attitude seems to be that he is the walk-on greatest of the NFL. Reminds me of Bosworth in that regard - another bust due to ego.
 
Doug Flutie was no Rob Johnson though. I have NO idea how head coaches kept putting that guy on the bench, trotting out some ******* dickwad, losing games, and NOT getting fired. If I had a head coach bench someone like Flutie, I'd fire his *** the next day. Sometimes people fall in love with the numbers, when a guy on the bench is kicking *** every time he hits the field.

Joe
 
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