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[ark steel]

Yeah maybe Saban was a bad example, but the point was that when there are MANY players (not just one or two) who fall SO OVERWHELMINGLY SHORT of what you have come to expect, you might conclude that their guidance/leadership is lacking that week that allowed so many to lose focus. But yeah, prob a bad example.

But to the part I quoted. You're right. I am 10000% certain that Tomlin doesn't actively communicate that we should take bad teams lightly. In fact, I'll bet that the messaging is most of the same that the messaging is every other week. But the reality that plays out before us week after week is players sky high for big games and rock bottom for bad games. Part of coaching is knowing your teams' tendencies. I would suggest that, while the defense is "the message is the same", maybe the message needs to be different. Maybe every week must be treated like a new week, a new opponent, a new set of circumstances, a new state of mind. Every week must be approached with the unique circumstances and mentalities of the players in mind.

For instance, this week players are probably mad because they lost a game they shouldn't have, so the coach should find a way to channel anger into productivity and focus for the opponent at hand, rather than letting it become destructive anger and allowing players to lose emotional control, which can happen. LAST week, the players were coming off a nice, fairly easy home W against a respectable opponent. They were feeling good about themselves, and we know what this team does when they feel good about themselves and face an inferior team. That's when you ride them hardest. That's when you don't let the slightest imperfection slide in practice. That's when the message is that this next game is our lwoB repuS. Not just "the next week". When you KNOW your weaknesses, then maybe sometimes you need to compensate for that.

Look I'm not a coach, I'm not suggesting I know the answer or that I'm 100% right. This is just my attempt at a new approach, a solution to the *** poundings we take in the standings every year because we're not ready for the games we are supposed to win.

I was only talking in general and not too focused on Saban as the example.

Overall, I think Tomlin has done a pretty damn good job. Rebuilt a team with nary a losing season? Not many coaches have done that. Won one SB and been to another. Fell short last year using rookies in the Defensive backfield and some injuries on important Defensive players? Overall, he gets good results. Sometimes, absolutely ****** results.

The main reason I pointed to Ben in the prior post is two-fold:
1. As Ben goes, the Offense goes
2. If everyone else were playing like crap (and they are) and Ben was playing lights out, it would be different. I can understand the younger players ******* up on the road. But you have people like Ben and other veterans who don't play as well, too. That is the part that tells me it can't just be about coaching. Those guys don't need pep talks or changes in mentality from an HC.

 

[antdrewjosh]

UNIVERSITY Friday Insider: How Tomlin handled aftermath impressed his players
ByMark KabolyPosted on September 29, 2017 MIKE TOMLIN. - MATT SUNDAY / DKPS
COMMENTS
There is no manual for a professional football coach on how to deal with the situation that faced Mike Tomlin and the Steelers this week. Not before the game. Not the aftermath.

Whether or not one agrees with the team’s decision Sunday in Chicago, or Tomlin’s many explanations, that isn’t the topic of discussion here. Rather, it’s what he did in the days that followed, particularly a team meeting Monday that was very open, by all accounts, and a news conference Tuesday that he didn’t let turn into a sideshow.


That impressed many in that locker room.

“I really respected him a lot before this week and especially now,” Ryan Shazier told me Thursday. “At the end of the day, that’s what leaders do. You tell people the right path to take and that’s what he did. He didn’t want us to get distracted. I feel like a lot of us got distracted last week, and he got us back on the right track. He put everything back into place and made sure that everybody knew we are here to play football.”

That was the clear feeling all across the locker room the past couple days, from the veterans to the new guys, and everybody in between.

https://www.dkpittsburghsports.com/...r-tomlin-handled-aftermath-impressed-players/

Little too much story for a pay article. Already pissed em off once. - 81

 

[slashsteel]

Or the players can you know play better

yinz must have not read what i wrote

Coach needs to coach better and the players need to play better.

I know yinz fixated on everything else besides Tommy Tom, but don't let that short change your reading.

 

[pittbull]

And I know I'm not the guy the thread is directed to, but I will say this

None of us knew much (if anything) about Mike Tomlin before he interviewed to be our coach. I think the question "who would you have replace our current coach?" is usually a flawed one because it implies that the "correct" answer is someone with a better resume. How does it look naming someone who's never coached a game at the HC level, but that you have confidence in? Obviously not smart, on paper. But these are often the types of hires that change franchises. It's just that, as fans, we might not have a finger on the pulse of who these up and coming geniuses are.

I agree with this. The question is a post hoc ergo propter hoc logical fallacy. Joe coaches a bad team; therefore the team is bad because Joe is the coach. If that were true, Bill Belichick never would have gotten an opportunity to coach the Pats because of his tenure at Cleveland.

The Steelers have a buttload of talent. Perhaps a more disciplined approach could pull it together. Qualities that helped Tom Coughlin, Mike Shanahan or John or Jim Harbaugh might work well for this team.

 

[slashsteel]

I agree with this. The question is a post hoc ergo propter hoc logical fallacy. Joe coaches a bad team; therefore the team is bad because Joe is the coach. If that were true, Bill Belichick never would have gotten an opportunity to coach the Pats because of his tenure at Cleveland.

The Steelers have a buttload of talent. Perhaps a more disciplined approach could pull it together. Qualities that helped Tom Coughlin, Mike Shanahan or John or Jim Harbaugh might work well for this team.

One could argue the team lost focus in that Chicago game.

Haven't we seen a new coach come to town that turned out not so great, but manage to quickly get his team to the SB and win it? You could say sometimes players get too comfy in their britches. Need a little extra motivation. Perhaps a new coach does that too.

And as a fan you then have to decide.

Is a SB win with more down seasons (what a new coach may bring) worth more than a bunch of good seasons but always seemingly ends with the same outcome just a little short.(what our present coach brings)

Sometimes I think we are debating this, without putting a tag on it. As you have some fans I think are overall happy with not having losing records, so don't want to risk change. And then you have the fans like me that know the window is closing fast (as our franchise is on the border of retirement) And want one more SB win.

I tell ya a decade of coming up short would sure be more tolerant for me with another SB win.

But if this story ends without another SB win for Ben? We can have a strong debate that the wrong coach was leading the team.

Everyone will have their own stance on this, for me coach wise it is win this year, or I want someone else. And of course the owners won't agree with this. So the coordinators should be on the bubble in the very least. But you wonder in reality if even that would happen.

 

[Stryker]

Turnovers are the great equalizer, and it is a game. Lesser teams can hang it with better teams because of turnovers. Execution is a big part of it as well.

Generally the coaches have to decide on whether to go for it on 4th and short, or kick FG/Punt/Go for it on 4th down. The one coaching issue that I have with this team right now, is the hurry up is working. And the crosses/slants are working. So why do we abandon it and try to hit the 15-25 patterns all game long? It's like watching Arians all over again. You can't defend AB on a cross or slant, without holding or interfering. If the players aren't getting open deep, take what they give you and make THEM adjust. Then you can play action and hit a deep guy 1 on 1.

And coaching didn't cause all those missed tackles on D. That was atrocious to watch...

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

And coaching didn't cause all those missed tackles on D. That was atrocious to watch...

so youre saying there was more than one person not executing . But it has nothing to do with coaching and preparation?

In my opinion. Coaching or lack thereof is the biggest problem with this talent laden team. Yes they need to execute, but it's pandemic

 

[Stryker]

so youre saying there was more than one person not executing . But it has nothing to do with coaching and preparation?

In my opinion. Coaching or lack thereof is the biggest problem with this talent laden team. Yes they need to execute, but it's pandemic

I suppose the coaching can be to blame for not being able to work hard and work on tackling. Since the rules changed and padded practices are all but gone. It is a factor. Blowing assignments on the field have to do with the inexperience of our D. We have 7 players that have less than 2 years experience with our D. They can not make these mistakes in Nov Dec, or we won't be in the playoffs.

 

[bmoritz]

Or the players can you know play better

And if they continually show the same habits, and nothing is done to change it, who's responsible for that? If employees in a firm continue to make the same mistakes and show the same bad habits, and management does not change that, is not management held responsible? What exactly, to you, are the roles and duties of a head coach?

 

[TDX27]

Neither Carroll or McCarthy are better than Tomlin. Next.

 

[antdrewjosh]

And if they continually show the same habits, and nothing is done to change it, who's responsible for that? If employees in a firm continue to make the same mistakes and show the same bad habits, and management does not change that, is not management held responsible? What exactly, to you, are the roles and duties of a head coach?

Youve asked this before I've answered before. The problem is what do you do when its your best player who play is in question. Should he bench him?? We all know thats not going to happen.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Renner: Steelers Themselves Stopping Their Own Passing Game


BY MATTHEW MARCZI OCTOBER 1, 2017 AT 07:00 AM



The Pittsburgh Steelers have so far through three weeks of the season been able to beat an otherwise winless team, lose to an otherwise winless team, and win, at home, against a team at the last minute starting a backup quarterback.

The offense has on average in those three games scored 19 points, with the special teams unit also chipping in a touchdown of their own for good measure. That kind of productivity on the offensive side of the ball is simply not going to cut it for much longer, something that is not very difficult at all to observe.

I don’t think it takes a great mind, either, to recognize that so far the Steelers’ biggest problem on offense has been, simply, themselves. This was the same conclusion that Mike Renner of Pro Football Focus reached in an article written last week in the wake of the Bears loss.

“At the end of the day though, a lot of what has stopped the Steelers passing game this season has been the Steelers themselves”, he wrote. “More specifically, quarterback Ben Roethlisberger. This is a downfield passing offense. This is an offense uniquely qualified to generate big plays”.

But, he went on, “the thing about an offense like that though is that there are only so many chances at big plays in a game. You can’t run vertical concepts every single play, but the times you do, you better hit one”.




And he argues that Roethlisberger has not been hitting on as many of the big plays so far this season as they need him to be, and has he has in the past, especially last year, when he threw 13 touchdowns on deep passes to lead the league. None of his five touchdowns this year have come on deep passes, and only one has been for more than seven yards.

Renner talks about two joined statistics in the article, one of which I have talked about before, which is called turnover-worthy throws. These are throws that were deserving of producing an interception, whether or not one was made. This does not include interceptions off of good throws.

The other statistic is called ‘big-time throws’, which accounts for a quarterback’s accuracy on big plays down the field. He was credited for the deep pass on the opening game to Martavis Bryant, for example, in spite of the fact that the wide receiver dropped it.

But, Renner argues, his ratio of big-time throws to turnover-worthy ones is the worst that it has been in recent years, and that his success on big-time throws is at an all-time low for him. “If Roethlisberger can’t consistently make plays down the field”, he concluded, “the offense will stall”.

http://www.Invalid Link - Check SN Home Page/2017/10/renner-steelers-stopping-passing-game/


And i think it would be foolish to think the coaching staff on mondays arent pointing these open recievers out on film. But what are they to do in this situation. Ben is not going to be sat down. Nor should he be. As coaches you try to get him in a rhythm early and hope he takes what is there but its up to him to do that consistently. Same thing goes with Shazier last week he was the one of the main culprits missing tackles. Do you sit him?? I doubt it. You just hope these players play up to their potential. An Eli Rogers you can replace. Players like Ben and others you dont, you put them in position and hope they take advantage

 

[Pittsburgh Charlie]

This is an offensive league,we don't need a defensive head coach

The one I'd want but it would be expensive but I'd hire Jim Harbaugh
Not sure why he'd come except a chance to go against his brother twice a year


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