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jabrill peppers tests positive for dilute sample

Jabrill Peppers tests positive for a dilute sample

The NFL has notified teams that Michigan's Jabrill Peppers tested positive for a dilute sample at the scouting combine, sources told ESPN's Adam Schefter.

Peppers is the second NFL draft prospect to test positive for a dilute sample at the combine, joining Alabama linebacker Reuben Foster.

A source told ESPN's Schefter that Peppers, who has a history of cramping, was ill after flying to Indianapolis from San Diego, so he drank eight to 10 bottles of water as he was the first athlete to run for both the linebackers and defensive backs.

Although he worked out at two positions in Indianapolis, Peppers has said he sees himself playing safety in the NFL.

"Free or strong. I'm very fast, I'm stronger than the typical DB, tougher than the typical DB, since I played linebacker in the Big Ten at 200 pounds,'' Peppers said in February. "So that's anywhere from nickel, I can play some corner still. So we'll see. It's gonna be a fun process."

Foster told NFL.com that the positive test came after he tried to rehydrate himself after coming down with what he believed to be food poisoning. He said that, before the combine, he had been vomiting, cramping and suffering from diarrhea, and that he declined IVs and instead got medication from a doctor.

In the most recent three-round mock draft by ESPN's Mel Kiper and Todd McShay, Kiper projected Peppers to be picked No. 15 overall by the Indianapolis Colts.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2017/story/_/id/19233527/jabrill-peppers-tests-positive-dilute-sample
 
So much for all the Peppers lovers. Hopefully this takes him off our board in round 1. He is not an area of need.
 
TDX27 said:
So much for all the Peppers lovers. Hopefully this takes him off our board in round 1. He is not an area of need.
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did you read?

A source told ESPN's Schefter that Peppers, who has a history of cramping, was ill after flying to Indianapolis from San Diego, so he drank eight to 10 bottles of water as he was the first athlete to run for both the linebackers and defensive backs.
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he's never failed a drug test, so ...

i'm indifferent on Peppers, but he's also never failed a drug test.
 
Lots of food poisoning in the last week before the combine. Second case��. I think Peppers is boom or bust and I'm concerned about the bust. Wouldn't mind if this scares him off the Steelers board.
 
Superman said:
did you read?


he's never failed a drug test, so ...

i'm indifferent on Peppers, but he's also never failed a drug test.
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It actually does count as a fail. He will be in the substance abuse program.

But, say everything is correct, he isn't a user and just hydrated because he has a history of cramps. That isn't much better...now he has a history of cramping up. That doesn't get me all warm and fuzzy about the guy, late in a game, it is on the line, he starts cramping. Maybe it only happens one week a month.
 
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TMC, I feel like I'm chasing you around on this board defending Peppers like I have a man-crush on the guy. I don't, believe me. But I get the sense your critical view of him is a bit over the top. The kid had doubled-up his entire combine workout, once with the linebackers then with the DB's. In addition, it's reported he was dealing with an illness to begin with. The notion that he was dehydrated and suffered from cramps is not all that surprising. Not sure it's fair to draw the parallel as you're doing, that it's a sign of weakness that will carry over to his NFL career. That's it on Peppers for me, feel free to lambaste the kid all you want from here on. ;)
 
Peppers in the second would be ok but there's better defensive talent out there, he looks like a situational player only. He'd help in ST too but is that worth a 1st ?
 
TMC said:
It actually does count as a fail. He will be in the substance abuse program.

But, say everything is correct, he isn't a user and just hydrated because he has a history of cramps. That isn't much better...now he has a history of cramping up. That doesn't get me all warm and fuzzy about the guy, late in a game, it is on the line, he starts cramping. Maybe it only happens one week a month.
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it may COUNT as a failed test, but it's unfair to equate this to failing a drug test a la Randy Gregory.
As Tibs noted, dude was sick and doing double the work. I'd give the guy a pass on this IF he was on my board. I'm absolutely not advocating drafting him, though.
it's almost like saying someone getting a traffic ticket for a rolling stop is the same as the guy committing multiple DUIs where people were killed. both get tickets.
 
I just like the kids potential ceiling. There are others who are better at safety right now but he could be better later on once allowed to fully concentrate on the position. Whether we draft him or not I will follow his career to see how he does. He a local kid for me watched him play pop warner. Was always a good kid.
 
Tibs said:
TMC, I feel like I'm chasing you around on this board defending Peppers like I have a man-crush on the guy. I don't, believe me. But I get the sense your critical view of him is a bit over the top. The kid had doubled-up his entire combine workout, once with the linebackers then with the DB's. In addition, it's reported he was dealing with an illness to begin with. The notion that he was dehydrated and suffered from cramps is not all that surprising. Not sure it's fair to draw the parallel as you're doing, that it's a sign of weakness that will carry over to his NFL career. That's it on Peppers for me, feel free to lambaste the kid all you want from here on. ;)
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What's your stance on him? I haven't seen your other posts but I'm curious.

I think the kid is a great athlete but as a football player, I would not select him before the 3rd round. He just doesn't have great deep cover skills or the ability to make impact plays. He had one INT his whole UM career, 0 FF, a few nice tackles in space, and a bunch of "almost great" plays as a RB, wildcat QB, and kick returner. But he really struggled to turn "almost great" into "actually great". Those early predictions with him going in round 1 were based largely on all the accolades he received this year. But those accolades were largely based on unrealized hype. It's actually comical to me that anyone considered him for the Heisman or any Big Ten award he got because he didn't earn them. So really, this whole "Peppers is a great football player" is a facade based on a hype train driven by Jim Harbaugh. Please do not fall for it. He's a comp pick guy who might be able to replace AB on punt returns and if we're lucky, earn a spot in subpackages as one of those DBs who plays near the LOS
 
You don't "test positive" on a diluted sample

It's a diluted sample - I used to be a Drug Testing Monitor in the AF - I know this stuff - usually you immediately command another test

A diluted sample, doesn't necessarily prove the presence of a banned substance, it constitutes a failed test.

Re-test
 
Aggie, I'm a bit hot and cold on Peppers. I understand he hasn't shown he can play deep in the secondary, but I think he has the speed and is athletic enough to do so. I also think his multiple roles with Michigan makes it difficult to analyze him accurately, as far as what he'd be capable of in the NFL. Having said that, I also understand he's been hyped up a bit. But I like his energy, he seems like a hard worker and a good kid. All in all it's a mixed bag, probably too mixed to pick him in the first. If he drops due to this diluted urine test, and he's around in the 3rd....., maybe even in the 2nd, I wouldn't have a problem with the Steelers taking a shot at him. You can't deny his athleticism, speed and skills with the ball in his hands. I just don't see any good reason to hate the kid, but understand why there are concerns picking him in the first round.

What made the most sense to me was reading the Steelers could put him in a Polamalu-type role, blitzing him at times, having him cover RB's & TE's, plus whatever role he'd have on special teams and maybe even on offense on occasion. He seems to have all the traits of a playmaker and it wouldn't shock me to see him be successful in the NFL.
 
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pass on him now, I would of liked if we ended up with him at MLB and in the nickel at either SS and slot CB to blitz
 
Good thing I didn't make my draft pick for prizes
 
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A source told ESPN's Schefter that Peppers, who has a history of cramping, was ill after flying to Indianapolis from San Diego, so he drank eight to 10 bottles of water as he was the first athlete to run for both the linebackers and defensive backs.
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Maybe they didn't have Gatorade at the combine.
 
Spike said:
You don't "test positive" on a diluted sample

It's a diluted sample - I used to be a Drug Testing Monitor in the AF - I know this stuff - usually you immediately command another test

A diluted sample, doesn't necessarily prove the presence of a banned substance, it constitutes a failed test.

Re-test
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Are these guys monitored and then retested soon after to verify they are clean? Or are the results not known soon enough?

I would think he'd be able to simulate another "diluted" result if he drank enough water right?
 
It's not like that. Drinking water doesn't dilute a sample, your kidneys still keep a balance - if a lab says it's diluted they usually mean water has been added illegally to a sample and the chemistry is suspect.

So, he's probabably guilty
 
A diluted sample is a urine test that has an abnormally high concentration of water, indicating a person MAY be attempting to mask other chemicals in their urine by oversaturating their system with water.

There are medical conditions that can produce dilute urine specimens from otherwise compliant people. Dilute urine can also be caused by the direct pouring of water or some other liquid it into a urine specimen at the time of collection; over-hydration, or over consumption of liquids prior to collection, especially those that contain diuretic agents. These sorts of things may be entirely innocent, or the may be done intentionally on the part of an individual who wishes to influence the result of a drug test.

Kind of a reach to say he's using/ masking drugs because he's over hydrated. Oooooooh he's on drugs OR he's very hydrated. Nope, must be drugs. This is dumb in the category of NFL stupid


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I would like him in the 2nd. Not 1st. Maybe we package a 3rd to move up...doubt it. Not going to be a Steeler.

My buddy, who is fro the Burgh and is Die_Hard, LOVES Peppers. I just see bigger needs and I don't see him as BAP at 30.
 
Tibs said:
TMC, I feel like I'm chasing you around on this board defending Peppers like I have a man-crush on the guy. I don't, believe me. But I get the sense your critical view of him is a bit over the top. The kid had doubled-up his entire combine workout, once with the linebackers then with the DB's. In addition, it's reported he was dealing with an illness to begin with. The notion that he was dehydrated and suffered from cramps is not all that surprising. Not sure it's fair to draw the parallel as you're doing, that it's a sign of weakness that will carry over to his NFL career. That's it on Peppers for me, feel free to lambaste the kid all you want from here on. ;)
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Nothing I said is over the top. Per the NFL's substance abuse protocol, this counts as a fail. It is similar to Bell missing his test completely because he overslept. Missed tests. Diluted tests. Any test that doesn't come clean counts as a fail. He will be in the substance abuse program. I don't think he is dirty. He doesn't have a history of using. But, it still counts as a fail.

Now, if he has a "history" of cramps, that isn't something you take lightly. It means he will have to monitor it every game throughout his career. If he struggles to stay hydrated, then you have to be aware of it. We used to take salt tablets, have drank pickle juice to avoid it. Hell, it is why Gatorade was invented. Lebron James left the 2014 playoffs in Game 1 because cramps got so bad he could not continue. Hell, Kellen Winslow is greatly remembered for playing through severe cramps in an AFC title game. If he had a history of sprained ankles, would it be easier to equate it to something to be concerned about? If I were his agent, I would have went with a stomach bug or something reasonable, not a damn history of cramping, because that can cause you some issues. If I were a warm weather team, I certainly would be aware of it. It might not be a sign of weakness that carries on to his NFL career, but IF he had a history of it during college, which is what his agent stated, I am sure the less aggressive and vigorous NFL regimen won't create the same cramping issues. I know they work their bodies vastly more in college than in the pros.

As for him working out in 2 positions, he isn't the first. Many players have done it, not sure why his agent makes out like it is something revolutionary. Carnell Lake was a LB, worked out as a LB, came back and worked as a safety. Some QBs work out as QBs and WRs. Some DEs work out as LBs too. Some DBs work corner and safety.

As I said in the other thread, don't hate the guy, but his agent did not help him here. He should have just hung it on a stomach bug like Foster did.
 
awboatguy said:
A diluted sample is a urine test that has an abnormally high concentration of water, indicating a person MAY be attempting to mask other chemicals in their urine by oversaturating their system with water.

Kind of a reach to say he's using/ masking drugs because he's over hydrated. Oooooooh he's on drugs OR he's very hydrated. Nope, must be drugs. This is dumb in the category of NFL stupid
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I think there's a good reason that there's such a thing as a "dilute sample".

When I was in high school my friend used to insist on stopping at a convenience store to buy Reese's cups before going home so he could mask the smell of alchohol on his breath from his mom. I was always like "Dude, don't you think she's suspicious as to why you always come home stinking like peanut butter?
 
Superman said:
it may COUNT as a failed test, but it's unfair to equate this to failing a drug test a la Randy Gregory.
As Tibs noted, dude was sick and doing double the work. I'd give the guy a pass on this IF he was on my board. I'm absolutely not advocating drafting him, though.
it's almost like saying someone getting a traffic ticket for a rolling stop is the same as the guy committing multiple DUIs where people were killed. both get tickets.
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I never stated he was Randy Gregory. The only player I have stated is in the Randy Gregory area is Tim Williams. Multiple failed tests at Alabama, admits he failed tests, was popped with a gun and no concealed carry after police smelled marijuana in a Publix parking lot. That is in the realm of Randy Gregory. But, Peppers will still be a stage 1 substance abuse violator when he gets drafted. I am sure if his background checks come clean, he gets a pass, but for his agent to equate his issues to cramping isn't much better. Cramps can be debilitating. His agent could have been smarter.

Actually, it is more like stating if a guy refused to take a breathalyzer he still gets popped for DUI (at least in my state). It doesn't make him a multiple offender, but he still has a 1st offense DUI on his record. Comparing it to a rolling stop is a little like stating his test was clean but he pissed on the foot of the doctor. Not quite the same, the test still counts as a fail. I did not write or agree to the rules.
 
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