Is Cam the new prototype QB?

[POP]

The answer is "yes" because is he league MVP and can do it all, something no one else can do.

But the answer is also "no" because there are simply no one else out there like him.

They can try to find other Cams out there, but they will fail.

He can obviously run, and not just run, but he's so big he can make power runs, right up the middle, take hits head on and not get hurt. No other QB can do that.

And if they _could_ do it, they probably can't pass with the accuracy of Cam, whether inside our outside the pocket.

And his arm strength and accuracy is top notch.

And to add to all of that, he has no character issues AND has a football mind (that took a while to develop, but he is clearly able to make good decisions on the field now).

And if that isn't enough, he has a burning desire to win.

The closest thing to him is Big Ben. Ben isn't as athletic or big or fast, but who else is closer to being Cam then Ben?

Might have said Kaepernick 2 years ago. Maybe Russel Wilson, but he is short, way short, compared to Cam.

Oh, and if the above isn't enough, the guy is a great leader on top of it all.

Cam is the new prototype QB, but they broke the mold after he was created. I don't see any college QBs that are similar to Cam. None. If they have his athleticism they will be missing some other skills, such
as accuracy, character, pocket passing,that much size, or something.

Hopefully if we see him in the Super Bowl we find some way to beat him, but it won't be easy.

 

[Spike]

Players aren't robots that are pulled out of a parts bin....

There is only one Cam - he's survived running so much probably more from his size and luck and the fact he can throw to any 'model type'. He sticks his head in the pile one time too many and somebody will knock it off.

 

[POP]

Players aren't robots that are pulled out of a parts bin....

There is only one Cam - he's survived running so much probably more from his size and luck and the fact he can throw to any 'model type'. He sticks his head in the pile one time too many and somebody will knock it off.

I was going to add that as he ages, he will do less and less of those power runs, taking on tacklers, just for longevity sake. But he has already proven he doesn't need to do those runs in order to be successful.

And he can stand in the pocket and pick a D apart. All the other skills are icing on the cake. He has elevated his game past any "athletic" QB I have ever seen.

 

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[POP]

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This coach fella clearly owns you. What has he done to make you obsess over him so much? To me, he is just the average fan, expressing his opinions. He doesn't get involved in personal attacks, or do anything in appropriate, yet you obsess over him to the point of constantly claiming I am him, and I don't even know the guy, have never had any discussion with him in private or any other way. And yet, the bizarre obsession continues.

 

[Coach]

This coach fella clearly owns you. What has he done to make you obsess over him so much? To me, he is just the average fan, expressing his opinions. He doesn't get involved in personal attacks, or do anything in appropriate, yet you obsess over him to the point of constantly claiming I am him, and I don't even know the guy, have never had any discussion with him in private or any other way. And yet, the bizarre obsession continues.

I'm not sure what to make of him, but I do agree it's bordering on obsession.

So for Bermuda, Once again, Pop and I are not the same person, nor have we ever meet. The admin will also tell you we have completely different IP addresses. If that's not enough I swear for you. Okay?!

I will admit sometimes I will keep talking about the same topic. No one seems to have any issues with the positive stuff, but there are a few who think Blake and Jones are family and will, unfortunately, take things personally and go ad hominem on you.

 

[TDX27]

Cam is no different than the running QB's that came before him. He is having a great year. Let's see where it goes from here. Is he the best thrower? Not even close. He is doing well because of his running. When that slows or goes away, I seriously doubt he will do nearly as well and won't even be considered a top 5 or even top 10 QB.

 

[Coach]

As for Newton he and Luck are the prototype QB's Big, durable, great arms, with running options if needed. Essentially the same type of player Ben was but played better competition in college.

This year Newton made a quantum leap in terms of not making mistakes and being a better leader, BUT he's not very accurate. Less than 60% competition for the past two years.

I'd say Newton is somewhere between 4th and 6th best QB in the NFL, but some QB's ahead of him are much older.

 

[AggieSteel]

Cam is no different than the running QB's that came before him. He is having a great year. Let's see where it goes from here. Is he the best thrower? Not even close. He is doing well because of his running. When that slows or goes away, I seriously doubt he will do nearly as well and won't even be considered a top 5 or even top 10 QB.

I complete disagree with this, especially the bolded

Cam does not do well ONLY because of his running. He is also one of the best passers in the league this year as well. Rocket arm with great accuracy and decision making. He has learned how to hit deep downfield with regularity the way Ben has. He just also happens to have elite athleticism and running ability. There is only one Cam and yes he is the "prototype" but difficult, if not impossible, to replicate.

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

You know what? I dont think I've ever seen the Coach and POP user names 'green lit' at the same time.

 

[POP]

Cam is no different than the running QB's that came before him. He is having a great year. Let's see where it goes from here. Is he the best thrower? Not even close. He is doing well because of his running. When that slows or goes away, I seriously doubt he will do nearly as well and won't even be considered a top 5 or even top 10 QB.

You must not have watched some of the games I have this year. He was throwing darts from the pocket, and he has garbage to work with for playmakers, yet he still produces in all aspects of the game. He has proved to me that he doesn't need to live and die with his legs. He has them, and uses them, as is appropriate, but his huge size, arm strength and accuracy have proven to be quality, as well as his decision making and leadership. He is, literally, heads and shoulders better than the other athletic QBs. Randal Cunningham was close, but Cam exceeds him as a pure passer, although RC did develop into a decent pocket passer in his later years in MN.

 

[POP]

You know what? I dont think I've ever seen the Coach and POP user names 'green lit' at the same time.

Everyone claiming Coach and I are same person should really feel embarrassed at this point. Don't get me wrong, I could care less, which is why I have barely mentioned it up to this point.

 

[Steelers1356]

Difference with Cam is he can run and has the size to handle the hits, unlike a guy like RG III.

 

[TDX27]

Take away his running and he's not even in the conversation for one of the best in the game, period. One good year, still with poor accuracy overall, does not make a great QB. I'd still take Ben over him without thinking twice.

 

[Omar10213245]

Cam is no different than the running QB's that came before him. He is having a great year. Let's see where it goes from here. Is he the best thrower? Not even close. He is doing well because of his running. When that slows or goes away, I seriously doubt he will do nearly as well and won't even be considered a top 5 or even top 10 QB.

I think you seriously under-sell Cam's ability from the pocket. If anyone throws a tighter spiral than his I'd like to see it. Has plenty of velocity, he's as accurate as anyone out there, plays fearlessly; what's missing??

 

[Omar10213245]

Take away his running and he's not even in the conversation for one of the best in the game, period. One good year, still with poor accuracy overall, does not make a great QB. I'd still take Ben over him without thinking twice.

he looked pretty accurate to me this season. I don't see that changing anytime soon. this isn't Michael Vick we're talking about.

 

[Clete]

He again was under 60 % completions this year, how is that accurate in today's NFL?

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Prototype implies that he has changed the definition of QB and that all teams should look for a guy like him. Cam is a physical freak, so good luck trying to find guys like him.

Joe Montana became the prototype west coast QB. He was great but he was not physically special. He had good mobility and accuracy but lacked the big arm. Until that point, you needed the big pocket passer because pass offenses were more vertical and QBs took a beating. The west coast changed that. It relied on timing and short passes that were high percentage. Physically, Montana was a dime a dozen. The NFL just ignored guys like him until he started winning.

I still think Cam is overrated as a passer. He is so dangerous with his legs and the Panthers run it so well that he sees mostly easy coverages and has plenty of time to throw. He's very effective in that scheme and they built an offense around what he does well, but as a passer, he isn't making the tough reads and anticipation throws as often as many other top passers.

 

[Clete]

I think you seriously under-sell Cam's ability from the pocket. If anyone throws a tighter spiral than his I'd like to see it. Has plenty of velocity, he's as accurate as anyone out there, plays fearlessly; what's missing??

Throwing a pretty spiral, big deal, manning has always thrown an ugly ball but is way more accurate and a better passer than Newton. Newton also throws with all his body to get power in his throws where better, more accurate QBs like Ben ,Rodgers Brady, Brees, etc. Have short compact deliveries making them more accurate and consistent. Take away his running ability and his teams great running game and he is a mediocre pocket passer capable of often great throws but more often than not bad passing.

 

[Steel Vanguard]

I still think Cam is overrated as a passer. He is so dangerous with his legs and the Panthers run it so well that he sees mostly easy coverages and has plenty of time to throw. He's very effective in that scheme and they built an offense around what he does well, but as a passer, he isn't making the tough reads and anticipation throws as often as many other top passers.

I really don't understand this complaint: A guy wrecks defensive coverage by moving around, forcing defenses to keep things simple, and that's a BAD thing?

It makes no damn sense at all. You win by any and all means necessary. It would be like you saying that Ben is overrated as a passer because defenders can't trust their eyes because of his pump fakes, so they play safe and give up the short stuff. How is that a knock on Ben's ability? Seems to me it just makes him a MORE EFFECTIVE offensive player. As does Cam's ability to move the pocket and challenge defenses on the ground.

You run complex coverage against a guy like Brady because ALL THE RULES ARE BENT IN HIS FAVOR and because he has no athletic talent HE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ELSE BUT THROW. If the rules were fair, all these pure "pocket passers" you revere so much would be run out of the league inside of one season.

 

[swal75]

I always thought that Cam plays a lot like Ben but is a much better runner. I really like watching him play. Also his #1 WR is Ted Ginn. If Benjamin was healthy he'd have better accuracy numbers.

 

[steelerscotty]

Time will tell. We've heard this said before, about QB's with various skill sets and physical make ups, only to have the rest of the league "solve" how to defend them. What MIGHT make Cam the exception to the "running QB's end up failing" rule is that he seems to actually be developing skill in reading defenses and throwing from the pocket.

 

[Troglodyte]

No, he's not the new prototype. They've been trying this prototype for 20 years with limited success. Cam is the first one that worked and it took him a few years. It'll be interesting to see how long he can maintain it and/or stay healthy.

 

[Clete]

I always thought that Cam plays a lot like Ben but is a much better runner. I really like watching him play. Also his #1 WR is Ted Ginn. If Benjamin was healthy he'd have better accuracy numbers.

Seems his numbers were worse last year WITH Benjamin. He is a mediocre passer and don't talk about his TD passes this year as proof he is good, Fitzpatrick threw 31 TDs and Bottles threw 35, everyone throws TDs in today's NFL , the difference is most also complete a high percentage of their passes, Newton never has and never will given his being both dumb and incapable of reading a defense and quickly delivering the ball and his inability to throw quickly and accurately, he does neither. Running a very unsophisticated offense with basic reads and rarely having more than 3 players going out on routes limits both his reads and lessens the decency on him to think and react.

 

[Clete]

No, he's not the new prototype. They've been trying this prototype for 20 years with limited success. Cam is the first one that worked and it took him a few years. It'll be interesting to see how long he can maintain it and/or stay healthy.

Yep see Randall Cunningham, Kordell, Vick, etc, all were the new prototype, none have won shot and Newton will be beaten like a drum by the Broncos who will light up his ***.