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I read somewhere that Redskins HC didn't realise that games could end in ties. Mind boggling.
Interesting Read about Tomlin
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To you and all the others who keep trying to justify Tomlin for the dumb decision of kicking the FD instead for going it, some interesting facts:
- Based on attempts from 2015 and 2016, field goals from that exact distance are about a 64 percent proposition.
- No field goal of that length had been made in the 16-year history of Heinz Field. Kickers were 0-for-6 from that distance or beyond.
- Kicker Chris Boswell had never made or even attempted a field goal from beyond 51 yards.
http://thecomeback.com/nfl/this-weekend-in-nfl-stupid-feat-steelers-coach-mike-tomlin.html?
Is the HC's responsibility to know information like this, so it can be used to the team's advantage. Do you think that Belicheat or any good HC don't know this sort of stats?
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That's more a reflection of Ben. When they take the handcuffs off and let him just do his thing, he gets it done. I don't see what MT does to make those spans successful.
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Yea, but no other HC rocks Cool Shades like Tomlin.
That sounds about right. It was too damn long.
Who says Tomlin DOESN'T/DIDN'T know those things? It's possible he:
1. Believed that 64% was better than 50% or less
2. Thought he had a kicker that was capable of being the first to make that kick in Heinz field.
3. Knew that kicker Chris Boswell had never ATTEMPTED a field goal from beyond 51 yards, but, believed that kicker Chris Boswell was capable of making a FG from that distance based upon observation that neither you, I, nor the writer of the article (what team does he coach anyway?) was privy to.
It's also possible that he was wrong. It happens.
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201610mfsteelerssports06-5 Steelers coach Mike Tomlin orchestrated a hard-hitting practice Monday as the team returns from an off week as it prepares for a game Sunday against rival Baltimore.
Tomlin welcomes Steelers back with hard-hitting practice
October 31, 2016 11:37 PM
By Ray Fittipaldo / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
When the Steelers returned to the UMPC Rooney Sports Complex Monday morning after a four-day break, the practice board inside the locker room read: helmets. But sometime in the next hour or so coach Mike Tomlin changed his mind and decided to put his players through a practice in full gear.
What ensued was the most physical practice the Steelers had since the team broke camp at Saint Vincent College.
“Nobody complained about it,” offensive lineman Ramon Foster said. “I kind of expected it. Being a vet, I know what coming off the bye week means. You have to shock everybody back into it.”
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But this practice was different from other years when the Steelers returned from their open week. Players confirmed afterward some hard hits in the thud portion of team practice and some jawing back and forth between the offense and the defense.
Yes, there was more to this spirited practice than shocking the players back into the NFL reality. For the Steelers, the reality is they are 4-3 and perilously close to being on the outside looking in of the AFC playoff picture.
The Steelers are in first place, but the Cincinnati Bengals (3-4-1) and Baltimore Ravens (3-4) are on their tail. Perhaps of more significance, they are coming off two uninspired performances against the Miami Dolphins and New England Patriots that sent them into their off week on a two-game losing streak.
And last but certainly not least, they’re preparing to face their most bitter rival, the Ravens, who have won six of the past nine meetings, including both last season.
“We’re trying to stop this two-game losing streak we’ve been on,” Foster said. “We have the AFC North coming up. There is an assortment of things we have to right with ourselves. It was a good way to come back from the bye. It was letting guys know what the mentality is.”
“We approached it the right way,” added defensive end Cam Heyward, who was a full participant in practice after missing two games with a hamstring injury. “It’s a Monday, but it’s the start of the week. We started on Baltimore this week and we’re ready to get after it.
“Putting the pads back on, I just think we have to get the hitting back. That’s such a big element in our game. Things we want to work on: tackling, being in the right lanes. What better way to do it than with pads?”
Not only do the Steelers have small margin for room for error within their division, they have a shrinking margin for error when it comes to their playoff position. They’re the No. 4 seed now, but would fall out of the playoff picture after eight games if they lose in Baltimore. The Ravens would own the edge in head-to-head competition, something they’ve enjoyed over the Steelers a lot in recent years.
A .500 record at the midway point of the season wouldn’t be too much to overcome. After all, they did just that last season and made the playoffs with a 10-6 record, albeit with some help on the final weekend.
They’d just make it a whole heck of a lot easier on themselves if they avoided another loss to the Ravens and took control of the division.
“There’s a lot of significance in this game,” Heyward said. “We’ve struggled in road games so far. It’s a great rivalry. It’s an AFC North game. It determines a lot in the standings. We need to play our best ball and move forward.”
There might have been another motive for Tomlin to put his players through a hard practice. Many of his most important players are working their way back from injuries.
In addition to Heyward taking every rep in practice for the first time since he was injured, right tackle Marcus Gilbert practiced for the first time in a month after missing three games with an ankle injury. Quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, who is two weeks removed from knee surgery, and receiver Markus Wheaton, who continues to deal with a shoulder injury, returned, too. Monday also marked the first padded practice for tight end Ladarius Green since the end of last season.
Their playing status won’t be determined until later in the week, but the strenuous practice gave Tomlin and his staff a decent gauge of their health six days before they have to play.
“You have four days off and you have a lot of guys coming back from injury,” center Maurkice Pouncey said. “You have to put them out there and get them used to hitting. Heck, I’m glad it happened now and not Sunday.”
Inside linebacker Ryan Shazier also liked the pace and tone of the practice Tomlin demanded from his players. He returned for the Patriots game after missing three weeks with a knee injury and said he was rusty. The injured players need time in pads to acclimate themselves to football again, he said.
“It was good to have a practice like that today,” Shazier said. “We play with pads so we need pad days to get back in the groove. We had a lot of missing pieces in the first half of the season. We definitely have to continue to grow and get better. This is the run for the playoffs right now.”
Ray Fittipaldo: rfittipaldo@post-gazette.com and Twitter @rayfitt1.
http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/...th-hard-hitting-practice/stories/201611010042
201610mfsteelerssports06-5 Steelers coach Mike Tomlin orchestrated a hard-hitting practice Monday as the team returns from an off week as it prepares for a game Sunday against rival Baltimore.
Tomlin welcomes Steelers back with hard-hitting practice
October 31, 2016 11:37 PM
By Ray Fittipaldo / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
When the Steelers returned to the UMPC Rooney Sports Complex Monday morning after a four-day break, the practice board inside the locker room read: helmets. But sometime in the next hour or so coach Mike Tomlin changed his mind and decided to put his players through a practice in full gear.
What ensued was the most physical practice the Steelers had since the team broke camp at Saint Vincent College.
“Nobody complained about it,” offensive lineman Ramon Foster said. “I kind of expected it. Being a vet, I know what coming off the bye week means. You have to shock everybody back into it.”
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But this practice was different from other years when the Steelers returned from their open week. Players confirmed afterward some hard hits in the thud portion of team practice and some jawing back and forth between the offense and the defense.
Yes, there was more to this spirited practice than shocking the players back into the NFL reality. For the Steelers, the reality is they are 4-3 and perilously close to being on the outside looking in of the AFC playoff picture.
The Steelers are in first place, but the Cincinnati Bengals (3-4-1) and Baltimore Ravens (3-4) are on their tail. Perhaps of more significance, they are coming off two uninspired performances against the Miami Dolphins and New England Patriots that sent them into their off week on a two-game losing streak.
And last but certainly not least, they’re preparing to face their most bitter rival, the Ravens, who have won six of the past nine meetings, including both last season.
“We’re trying to stop this two-game losing streak we’ve been on,” Foster said. “We have the AFC North coming up. There is an assortment of things we have to right with ourselves. It was a good way to come back from the bye. It was letting guys know what the mentality is.”
“We approached it the right way,” added defensive end Cam Heyward, who was a full participant in practice after missing two games with a hamstring injury. “It’s a Monday, but it’s the start of the week. We started on Baltimore this week and we’re ready to get after it.
“Putting the pads back on, I just think we have to get the hitting back. That’s such a big element in our game. Things we want to work on: tackling, being in the right lanes. What better way to do it than with pads?”
Not only do the Steelers have small margin for room for error within their division, they have a shrinking margin for error when it comes to their playoff position. They’re the No. 4 seed now, but would fall out of the playoff picture after eight games if they lose in Baltimore. The Ravens would own the edge in head-to-head competition, something they’ve enjoyed over the Steelers a lot in recent years.
A .500 record at the midway point of the season wouldn’t be too much to overcome. After all, they did just that last season and made the playoffs with a 10-6 record, albeit with some help on the final weekend.
They’d just make it a whole heck of a lot easier on themselves if they avoided another loss to the Ravens and took control of the division.
“There’s a lot of significance in this game,” Heyward said. “We’ve struggled in road games so far. It’s a great rivalry. It’s an AFC North game. It determines a lot in the standings. We need to play our best ball and move forward.”
There might have been another motive for Tomlin to put his players through a hard practice. Many of his most important players are working their way back from injuries.
In addition to Heyward taking every rep in practice for the first time since he was injured, right tackle Marcus Gilbert practiced for the first time in a month after missing three games with an ankle injury. Quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, who is two weeks removed from knee surgery, and receiver Markus Wheaton, who continues to deal with a shoulder injury, returned, too. Monday also marked the first padded practice for tight end Ladarius Green since the end of last season.
Their playing status won’t be determined until later in the week, but the strenuous practice gave Tomlin and his staff a decent gauge of their health six days before they have to play.
“You have four days off and you have a lot of guys coming back from injury,” center Maurkice Pouncey said. “You have to put them out there and get them used to hitting. Heck, I’m glad it happened now and not Sunday.”
Inside linebacker Ryan Shazier also liked the pace and tone of the practice Tomlin demanded from his players. He returned for the Patriots game after missing three weeks with a knee injury and said he was rusty. The injured players need time in pads to acclimate themselves to football again, he said.
“It was good to have a practice like that today,” Shazier said. “We play with pads so we need pad days to get back in the groove. We had a lot of missing pieces in the first half of the season. We definitely have to continue to grow and get better. This is the run for the playoffs right now.”
Ray Fittipaldo: rfittipaldo@post-gazette.com and Twitter @rayfitt1.
http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/...th-hard-hitting-practice/stories/201611010042
Mike Tomlin is a players’ coach. He’s too easy on the team, lets them get away with whatever they want because he wants to be their pal.
Take your pick from that paragraph, and you’ll be mouth-breathing the dumbest, most ill-informed statement any Pittsburgh sports fan can make on any Pittsburgh sports topic. And that’s even independent of the overarching implication that an African-American coach would want to be best buds with all those African-American players because … you know, something something African-American.
Even removing race from the equation, it’s utterly baseless. And anyone who observes the team on any regular basis can and would, I believe, support me on this.
If anything, Tomlin is tough as hell on his team.
Where it counts.
http://dkpittsburghsports.com/2016/10/27/column-era-alpha-male-pittsburghs-coaching-ranks/
Take your pick from that paragraph, and you’ll be mouth-breathing the dumbest, most ill-informed statement any Pittsburgh sports fan can make on any Pittsburgh sports topic. And that’s even independent of the overarching implication that an African-American coach would want to be best buds with all those African-American players because … you know, something something African-American.
Even removing race from the equation, it’s utterly baseless. And anyone who observes the team on any regular basis can and would, I believe, support me on this.
If anything, Tomlin is tough as hell on his team.
Where it counts.
http://dkpittsburghsports.com/2016/10/27/column-era-alpha-male-pittsburghs-coaching-ranks/
CHRISTIAN BARAJAS FROM LUCERNE VALLEY, CA:
Why does it seem that Mike Tomlin never gets angry with the players? For example when tackles are made out of bounds or shoving and trash talking results in 15-yard penalties, he always has no expression, like it doesn't matter that they just got penalized. I miss the days when Bill Cowher used to chew the guys out for doing stupid things.
ANSWER: Let me start off with this: Mike Tomlin indeed gets angry with players, but it just doesn't happen on the sideline during a game in front of millions of people. Watching the video after a bad loss isn't an enjoyable experience for the Steelers players, I can assure you, because the volume of Tomlin's voice carries through the hallways of the UPMC Rooney Sports Complex on those Mondays. Publicly scolding a player might make you as a fan feel good, but it isn't necessarily productive when you're dealing with grown men who are professionals, especially when the idea behind it is to correct and change behavior. Also, I believe your memories of Bill Cowher have been enhanced by the passage of time, as is often the case. Cowher might have chewed out the punter, or some down-on-the-depth-chart guy, but he never ever made a scene on the sideline with a front-line player over a mistake.
http://m.steelers.com/news/asked-an...ed-Nov-1/216dab99-449a-4551-b83a-d1e74d2adfd7
Why does it seem that Mike Tomlin never gets angry with the players? For example when tackles are made out of bounds or shoving and trash talking results in 15-yard penalties, he always has no expression, like it doesn't matter that they just got penalized. I miss the days when Bill Cowher used to chew the guys out for doing stupid things.
ANSWER: Let me start off with this: Mike Tomlin indeed gets angry with players, but it just doesn't happen on the sideline during a game in front of millions of people. Watching the video after a bad loss isn't an enjoyable experience for the Steelers players, I can assure you, because the volume of Tomlin's voice carries through the hallways of the UPMC Rooney Sports Complex on those Mondays. Publicly scolding a player might make you as a fan feel good, but it isn't necessarily productive when you're dealing with grown men who are professionals, especially when the idea behind it is to correct and change behavior. Also, I believe your memories of Bill Cowher have been enhanced by the passage of time, as is often the case. Cowher might have chewed out the punter, or some down-on-the-depth-chart guy, but he never ever made a scene on the sideline with a front-line player over a mistake.
http://m.steelers.com/news/asked-an...ed-Nov-1/216dab99-449a-4551-b83a-d1e74d2adfd7
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The HC might also have noted that while no FG had been made from that distance, that end of the field has been closed up, thereby changing probabilities. one would expect.
One might question if the 64% is calculated based upon all kickers or is Bos's results? If all kickers, you are, likely, including people who do not have Bos's leg, thereby skewing your sample, same for people with legs better than those of Bos. if you are only including Bos' that is a pretty small sample size.
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You don't seem to mention that on that would be fourth down play, Bell was the only damn playmaker on the field. Brown was off on the sideline with his hip, and DHB and Cobi Hamilton were out there playing at receiver. I also believe the tight ends had a whopping 18 yards of production on the day as well, so they were pretty ineffective. So, considering all of this, who do you think was getting the football? You don't think that belicheat, being the "master" that he is, would have put everyone in the box to stop Bell on that play. The Steelers also struggled on the day converting the short yardage situations. It seemed when it was 2nd and short or 3rd and short, the pats stopped Bell right at the line. Considering all that was presented at that point in time, that's why some of us understood the ******* call for the field goal. And, again, Boswell had the length on the kick. He screwed it by booting it into the stands. If he came up short, then yeah, he didn't have the leg to be trying that kick. But that was not the case.
1) You can throw the 64% league-wide number from that exact distance out the window. Who cares what all the other kickers, on all the different fields, in all the various circumstances, did or didn't do?
2) 0-for-6 in Heinz Field from that distance or longer is more relevant than #1, but is still a small sample, of which Boswell was not a part of.
3) What kind of secret indicators could the ol' ballcoach be "privy to"? Anybody with a set of eyeballs could see that Boswell was struggling EARLIER THAT DAY, having already missed from 10+ yards closer, and barely making good on 2 other attempts. Usually the guy is solid, right down the middle...wasn't the case against the Patriots. The main reason Boz had never attempted a field goal that long is Tomlin hadn't given him the chance, even on days when the kicker was striking the ball true and with confidence.
It's very, very possible that he was quite wrong. It happens a lot.
Great to hear that Heyward and Gilbert are back. Hopefully they don't get hurt during practice this week because Mikey is trying to prove some point.
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Ol ball coach is privy to practice which we aren't. May have seen a few more kicks.
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Think the only point he is trying to prove is that they need to stop the run. Hard to improve tackling without contact.
Yeah. Tomlin saw a few more practice kicks. That must be it.
Tomlin's hard practices in the past haven't seemed to improve any defensive fundamentals all that much. Let's hope it works this time. Terrance West had a total of 10 yards on 8 carries in Baltimore's last game, so it shouldn't be too tall of a task.
Pretty small sample size to be making a generalization. One game and 8 carries. Especially when you consider that the same player is averaging 4.4 yards per carry on the season with 96 carries for 424 yards. This after splitting with Forsett earlier in the year. So, the task might be a little more difficult than a one game sample would imply; yes?
Actually his career win percentage says it doesn't happen nearly as often as you would have us believe. Is he a perfect coach? Nope. Haven't seen one who is. But, nobody wins as many games at the NFL level as he has by being as dumb/clueless as you'd have us believe Tomlin is.
I just looked at the thread links and saw that you had responded on 3 posts tonight. All of them about Tomlin. Maybe you responded to others, I don't know. But it appears you have something you'd like for the rest of us to understand about Tomlin. If it's that you don't like Tomlin, we get it. Don't think he's a good coach? Get that too. Don't think he's smart enough to coach even though he's college educated and has more coaching experience at the NFL level than anyone on this board. Got ya. Anything else? You don't like his "look"? Understood. Question his decision making. Yep, heard that too. Whatever else there is, I think you're going to be a disgruntled fan for awhile because I don't see them making a change anytime soon. I'd almost like to see them do it though. Just to see how much of the same stuff will be said about the next guy.
Considering that over 200 of those yards came against Oakland and Washington, two of the worst run defenses in the league, ranked #29 and #31 in YPA allowed respectively, I wasn't really all that concerned with Terrance West. And his career 3.9 average per carry, the largest sample of all, didn't impress me that much, either.
The defense actually played well and held the same player to similar statistics of my one-game sample...too bad that the hard practices didn't include an intelligent offensive gameplan or prevent another game full of unnecessary penalties.
Barry Switzer is right behind Tomlin on the career winning percentage list for qualifying head coaches. I'd have you believe that Switzer took advantage of his inheritance, but wasn't as wonderful a head coach as the numbers indicate. Just like Tomlin.
As far as the nature of my posts, I thank you for caring, but I tend to only have enough time to reply the posts that have quoted me directly. And I'm not sure where you erroneously formed the opinion that I feel Tomlin isn't intelligent. Of course he is. Never really said anything about his "look," either, except maybe the deer-in-the-headlights stance he usually has when his team falls behind. Pretty much everything else? Yeah, you got it.
Strange, though, that your post-policing overlooked this response of mine (directed at Clete) from 8/31/16:
Listen, I'm as hard on Tomlin as anybody (well, maybe not as hard as you), but I'm trying to think about it this way: It's ******* difficult to win the lowB repuS, man. Yes, the Steelers have had enough talent to do so more than once in the past nine years. Yes, I agree with you about many of Tomlin's shortcomings. Yes, Ben is running out of time. However, the fact remains that they only crown ONE champion out of 32 teams every season.
Look at New Orleans. I've always liked the Saints (as my "NFC team"), and I've thought Sean Payton was a pretty good head coach for them. He's had Drew Brees in the prime of his career for nine years, too. Guess what he's got: A good regular season record: 87-57. A good playoff record: 6-4, with some disappointing losses. 4 non-playoff seasons. 1 lowB repuS win. Sounds a whole lot like ol' Mikey's line, doesn't it? 92-52. 6-5 in the playoffs with some disappointing losses. 3 non-playoff seasons. 1 lowB repuS win.
Now, obviously, we don't follow the Saints as closely as the Steelers, but I've seen Payton make some questionable decisions during games here and there...I'm sure if we scrutinized his work as closely as we do Tomlin's, I might have a much different opinion of him.
I'm going to continue to criticize Tomlin this season for sure, and I'm not telling you what to do, but I hope this perspective helps you to lighten up on the guy a just a little. Try and enjoy the season.