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In search of the real Mike Tomlin

And alot of the issues were communication related..which is why the steelers signed and drafted guys who are used to being communicators on defense. To hopefully cut down on those issues
 
That run D gave up 4.4 yards per rush. Only 5 worse teams.

****** tackling definitely factored in, as well as injury. Hoping that UDFA can shine us some depth t the ILber position.
 
And alot of the issues were communication related..which is why the steelers signed and drafted guys who are used to being communicators on defense. To hopefully cut down on those issues

Really was a big priority for them. That and tackling. I think we will see a improvement in these areas this year.
 
I know I for one see VAST improvement just in the fact Mitchelle won't be getting a HAT come game day. I think we have added much positive In who we brought in along with the draft. Regardless of what some think our "D" could have been much worse. I see enough improvement by both players and coaches that we will make a very legitamit run at the SB. Say what you want about t*mmy b*y and the cheating ******* but I don't think they will be our main competition, just a hunch.



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Really was a big priority for them. That and tackling. I think we will see a improvement in these areas this year.

Tom Bradley as new DB coach. We'll see if that helps. I'd be happier if they bounced J. Peezy too though. How much of the LB problems is ****** drafting and how much is ****** coaching is hard to put a finger on.
 
So, you think that talent just showed up on the doorstep and the respective coaches had nothing to do with the talent on the team?

Not necessarily. But the Steelers had a good deal of talent on the team before Tomlin arrived, I believe. Much more than Lewis had after the Bengals were 2-14 the year prior to his first season.

So, you think that Mike Brown is as good a general manager as Kevin Colbert?
 
No, see, you have it all wrong. Colbert is responsible for drafting and developing players like AB, Bell, Heyward, Cam Sutton, DeCastro etc.
Tomlin is responsible for drafting and the subsequent failure of players like Mike Adams, Jarvis, Golson, etc.
Those players acquired in FA that shine, came here because they wanted a GM like Colbert.
Those that came here and failed, came here because they wanted a coach like Tomlin.
The delineation is pretty clear. You just have to read the tea leaves.

No, see, you have it all wrong. Tomlin is responsible for drafting and developing players like AB, Bell, Heyward, Cam Sutton (?), DeCastro etc.
Colbert is responsible for drafting and the subsequent failure of players like Mike Adams, Jarvis, Golson, etc.
Those players acquired in FA that shine, came here because they wanted a coach like Tomlin.
Those that came here and failed, came here because they wanted a GM like Colbert.
The delineation is pretty clear. You just have to read the tea leaves.
 
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No, see, you have it all wrong. Tomlin is responsible for drafting and developing players like AB, Bell, Heyward, Cam Sutton (?), DeCastro etc.
Colbert is responsible for drafting and the subsequent failure of players like Mike Adams, Jarvis, Golson, etc.
Those players acquired in FA that shine, came here because they wanted a coach like Tomlin.
Those that came here and failed, came here because they wanted a GM like Colbert.
The delineation is pretty clear. You just have to read the tea leaves.

I see what you did there ... cute/funny. But the reality is still the same. Both answers are WRONG. As has been pointed out numerous times, the Steelers' draft is a collaborative effort. Success and failure in talent evaluation is collaborative also. It's not a Tomlin draft, a Colbert draft, a scouting department draft or an AR2 draft. It belongs to all of them.
 
I see what you did there ... cute/funny. But the reality is still the same. Both answers are WRONG. As has been pointed out numerous times, the Steelers' draft is a collaborative effort. Success and failure in talent evaluation is collaborative also. It's not a Tomlin draft, a Colbert draft, a scouting department draft or an AR2 draft. It belongs to all of them.

Yep

A large voting system involving 5 to 6 people. Then they stack the board, accordingly.
 
YEP,........ 5-6 or maybe a couple more but that it's a cumulative effort. OBVIOUSLY the owner gets what they want but we are fortunate enough to have a owner who trust others in the room. (Brown's / othersnot so luck). I'm sure each in the room can make for / against. Each individual along the path to actual draft. Position coaches / coordinators / HC all have their degree of contribution. Eventually you have the BIG board.


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I see what you did there ... cute/funny. But the reality is still the same. Both answers are WRONG. As has been pointed out numerous times, the Steelers' draft is a collaborative effort. Success and failure in talent evaluation is collaborative also. It's not a Tomlin draft, a Colbert draft, a scouting department draft or an AR2 draft. It belongs to all of them.

That was my point though, they've had the same GM for about 18 years, substantially the same FO, but since Cool Shades' arrival there is a seeming inability to make good draft picks on defense while the offensive picks are mostly fine.
 
In the post draft PC, KC was asked about not drafting an ILB. I'm paraphrasing here, but he said that if there is a player available at whatever pic that fits, they will take them, but they are not going to reach. He followed up by stating, "Coach was awesome throughout this process in saying 'No let's respect the board. Let's look at the best players available and we'll adjust from there'"

It may be a collaborative effort in evaluating and scoring players, but I interpret his statement as meaning CMT has the final say on who is picked. He may stick to the board, he may not.
 
In the post draft PC, KC was asked about not drafting an ILB. I'm paraphrasing here, but he said that if there is a player available at whatever pic that fits, they will take them, but they are not going to reach. He followed up by stating, "Coach was awesome throughout this process in saying 'No let's respect the board. Let's look at the best players available and we'll adjust from there'"

It may be a collaborative effort in evaluating and scoring players, but I interpret his statement as meaning CMT has the final say on who is picked. He may stick to the board, he may not.

Difference of interpretation. I took Colbert's statement to mean that while some in the room may have wanted to stray from the board in order to draft for a specific position, Tomlin was adamant in reminding them that they put the board together for a reason. Reminding the others in the room of the protocol in place does not mean that he has final say. It's just reminding folks of standard operating procedure and letting them know he'd be more comfortable not straying from it.
Tomlin does not have Mussoliniesque powers in the War Room. Never has and I doubt that e ever will.
 
Could be that someone suggested reaching and he vetoed it. Could be he was asked should they reach and he said stick to the board. Which ever....still seems CMT has final say.
 
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I didnt see Colberts comment as saying Tomlin had final say. Just that he kept reminding everyone to stick to the board they all put together..
 
Could be that someone suggested reaching and he vetoed it. Could be he was asked should they reach and he said stick to the board. Which ever....still seems CMT has final say.

Of course it would seem that way. To someone who is looking for a reason to support his hypothesis. Of course, the fact that everyone who is actually a part of the process has said numerous times that "that's not how this works ... that's not how any of this works", means nothing.
I mean it could be that Colbert has final say and just let HCMT feel good. It could be that ARII has final say since it's his team. It could be a lot of things. I think I'll choose to believe them when they say what it actually IS.
 
I didnt see Colberts comment as saying Tomlin had final say. Just that he kept reminding everyone to stick to the board they all put together..

Exactly. But, you know ... "Tomlin, Tomlin, Tomlin" ... So, there's that. lmao
 
I didnt see Colberts comment as saying Tomlin had final say. Just that he kept reminding everyone to stick to the board they all put together..

Why else would he bring it up? The reporter asked KC the question, not CMT. Seems to me he wanted everyone to know who was steering the ship.
 
Why else would he bring it up? The reporter asked KC the question, not CMT. Seems to me he wanted everyone to know who was steering the ship.

You answer your own question and don't even see it.
Colbert didn't "bring anything up". He was asked a question and gave a response. There's no hidden agenda in his response and it seems clear to most folks that he was just saying that Tomlin helped keep the ship on course. HELPED ... Not STEERED.
 
I mean it could be that Colbert has final say and just let HCMT feel good. It could be that ARII has final say since it's his team. .

I thought this is why Donahoe got fired back in the day. And the power was given to then HC Bill Cowher. Yes Colbert came in.. But do you think BIll said , yeah here ya go Kevin. You can make the final decisions. I don't want that kind of responsibility....
 
And alot of the issues were communication related..which is why the steelers signed and drafted guys who are used to being communicators on defense. To hopefully cut down on those issues

The issues with the long, game changing pass plays has persisted since at least the 2013 season when the likes of Polamalu, Taylor and Clark fell out of their primes.

Given it took Tomlin about 8 years to fix the offensive line, we probably have about three more years of getting bombed by mediocre passers to look forward to.
 
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