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In search of the real Mike Tomlin

ark steel said:
So, you think that talent just showed up on the doorstep and the respective coaches had nothing to do with the talent on the team?
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No, see, you have it all wrong. Colbert is responsible for drafting and developing players like AB, Bell, Heyward, Cam Sutton, DeCastro etc.
Tomlin is responsible for drafting and the subsequent failure of players like Mike Adams, Jarvis, Golson, etc.
Those players acquired in FA that shine, came here because they wanted a GM like Colbert.
Those that came here and failed, came here because they wanted a coach like Tomlin.
The delineation is pretty clear. You just have to read the tea leaves.
 
I think Tomlin is an above average coach. What I have seen is that this team either isn't prepared or doesn't get up for games against scrub teams. They should blow through some of these teams with losing records. They also should be able to change on the fly during games when things aren't working. Tomlin seems to not adjust as well as he could when things aren't working for us. In game changes are huge and we just don't seem to have this going for us. This is the difference between good and great.
 
Hines57 said:
I think Tomlin is an above average coach. What I have seen is that this team either isn't prepared or doesn't get up for games against scrub teams. They should blow through some of these teams with losing records. They also should be able to change on the fly during games when things aren't working. Tomlin seems to not adjust as well as he could when things aren't working for us. In game changes are huge and we just don't seem to have this going for us. This is the difference between good and great.
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I'll point out that making "in game adjustments" are more in line with a Coordinator's duties. That said, where Cowher surrounded himself with Coordinators who proved capable of making such adjustments, for the most part, Tomlin has not. There's a reason none of Tomlin's Coordinators became head coaches while they were here. I'm hoping Fichner changes that.
 
Hines57 said:
I think Tomlin is an above average coach. What I have seen is that this team either isn't prepared or doesn't get up for games against scrub teams. They should blow through some of these teams with losing records. They also should be able to change on the fly during games when things aren't working. Tomlin seems to not adjust as well as he could when things aren't working for us. In game changes are huge and we just don't seem to have this going for us. This is the difference between good and great.
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Here's the thing Hines. We all know he has shortcomings against losing teams, but the contrast is he's never had a losing season. Any other team losing to basement dwellers wouldn't finish the season 500 or better. Plus people want to point at the negative, when the contrast is Tomlin has more wins vs over 500 teams, and playoff teams, just to stay above the losing record mark. That is impressive.

Only Shula had more wins at this point in their coaching careers. A couple more wins vs bad teams, and Tomlin would own the record outright. But since he's not better than Shula, he must be a terrible coach...
 
Cope said:
Only Shula had more wins at this point in their coaching careers. A couple more wins vs bad teams, and Tomlin would own the record outright. But since he's not better than Shula, he must be a terrible coach...
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I don't care if he's better than Shula. We need him to be better than Belicheat (and apparently Doug Marrone too).
 
Ron Burgundy said:
I don't care if he's better than Shula. We need him to be better than Belicheat (and apparently Doug Marrone too).
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At least for one game each.

But ...

let us see how this season transpires.

They tweaked things enough for a positive outcome.
 
Mikey Sunglasses is bad at situational football, bad at clock management and bad at focusing the team. Any coach that looks past a team in the playoffs that beat you in the regular season is a bad coach.
 
I hear everything you guys are saying but what is so frustrating is when we do lose to sub .500 teams knowing we have twice the talent they do. We ourselves know we could never get away with that performance at work and our personal pride wouldn't allow it either. With that said those are contributing factors as to why so many are frustrated with cool shades at those moments of loss. We are held accountable so most here want him held accountable andd by that means they hold him to a lower standard (scrutinize more) than a coach of his caliber if they didn't lose to the sub-.500 teams. TOTAL anomaly as to the sub.500 vs above .500 teams. I just want him to step it up and become a little more intense for the entire season and instill some dicipline in these kids.



Salute the nation
 
Black & Gold Bleeder said:
To Be fair, that talent was flowing in here before Mike Tomlin got here.
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Pretty sure he is talking about all the talent we have now. You know the ones who are supposedly supposed to crush Jacksonville and run over NE. All that talent
 
antdrewjosh said:
Pretty sure he is talking about all the talent we have now. You know the ones who are supposedly supposed to crush Jacksonville and run over NE. All that talent
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you know a double supposition is fact,,,,,


anyway.

i give colbert a **** ton more credit seeing that he brought in talent under cowher and tomlin.

Some of the drafts really seem a waste at times tho.
 
Black & Gold Bleeder said:
you know a double supposition is fact,,,,,


anyway.

i give colbert a **** ton more credit seeing that he brought in talent under cowher and tomlin.

Some of the drafts really seem a waste at times tho.
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Not surprised... but if this years class pans out just keep in mind Colbert credited Tomlin for keeping the war room focused on sticking to their board. Of course if they suck you can blame tomlin also
 
topseed said:
You make a valid point.

Tomlin is basically Marvin Lewis, except he's been coaching a team with consistently better talent. I've no doubt that if they'd traded places, the results would be just about the same, and some douchebag ESPN writer would be following Lewis around at the Pro Bowl instead.
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I think more accurately is tgat Marvin Lewis is a "good" coach too. Its impossible to deny Tomlin is a good coach. Numbers dont lie. But with the talent he has the last two seasons I think great is very debateable. If he cant produce with this team its time to move on.
 
antdrewjosh said:
Not surprised... but if this years class pans out just keep in mind Colbert credited Tomlin for keeping the war room focused on sticking to their board. Of course if they suck you can blame tomlin also
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Not surprised ? At what? That i give colbert a lot of credit for our draft history. The ****** picks fall on him too. Im just saying over time he has been here we have drafted fairly successfully. Has it gotten markedly better under Tomlin vs Cowher? No
 
Black & Gold Bleeder said:
Not surprised ? At what? That i give colbert a lot of credit for our draft history. The ****** picks fall on him too. Im just saying over time he has been here we have drafted fairly successfully. Has it gotten markedly better under Tomlin vs Cowher? No
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I think its been fairly consistent under both. And colbert is the common denominator..kudos to him for being able to work with two different guys with two different philosophies
 
Cope said:
Here's the thing Hines. We all know he has shortcomings against losing teams, but the contrast is he's never had a losing season. Any other team losing to basement dwellers wouldn't finish the season 500 or better. Plus people want to point at the negative, when the contrast is Tomlin has more wins vs over 500 teams, and playoff teams, just to stay above the losing record mark. That is impressive.

Only Shula had more wins at this point in their coaching careers. A couple more wins vs bad teams, and Tomlin would own the record outright. But since he's not better than Shula, he must be a terrible coach...
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The only record we should be caring about is championship trophies. That sets the standard. As we all know, the standard is the standard. Tomlin has only done that once. To me that's good but not great. We need him to be great.
 
antdrewjosh said:
Pretty sure he is talking about all the talent we have now. You know the ones who are supposedly supposed to crush Jacksonville and run over NE. All that talent
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antdrewjosh said:
I think its been fairly consistent under both. And colbert is the common denominator..kudos to him for being able to work with two different guys with two different philosophies
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Somehow the same GM was a lot better at drafting defense before the defensive-minded Shades got here.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
Somehow the same GM was a lot better at drafting defense before the defensive-minded Shades got here.
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Totally different league too. Wasnt pass happy. Also being one of the few teams running the 3-4 also helped. Does Joey Porter last til the 3rd in todays draft?
 
Tomlin is a great coach. The Steeler organization is a winning organization and he has maintained that tradition. The standard isn't super bowls it's being in contention for a super bowl run. He has done so in a consistent way.

The responsibility of the players owning their own actions, preparation and performance needs to be addressed. Ben is a great QB but how much better could he be if he managed not to have the off field distractions. Both in what he has done and said in the media or off the field. Antonio Brown is a perfect model of somebody who turned average natural talent into a HOF like level of talent because of his dedication to preparation and training. We don't see that work ethic from Big Ben. It's obvious in the way that Ben has responded to the Rudolph pick that he hasn't matured in leadership of teammates. That speaks volumes of the player culture that coaches have no influence over. Ben also questions openly in the media about his coaches. You just don't see that from the elite players and coaches dynamic. I think those examples is a peak inside of major in house issues that do impact overall player performance. How many times had Ben improvised in his younger days to convert risky throws into huge gains? He made a career off of his improve. But the moment he fails at an improve (ie. Pats game) he wants to throw the coaches and play calling all under the bus. Grow up old man ben! Can't have it both ways

This article just really shines a light on what everybody out side of the Steeler fan base appreciates, admires, and respects about coach Tomlin. A small portion of the Steeler fan bases hang onto every short coming so long that it's impossible for them to even give Tomlin his due credit.

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antdrewjosh said:
Totally different league too. Wasnt pass happy. Also being one of the few teams running the 3-4 also helped. Does Joey Porter last til the 3rd in todays draft?
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Somebody has to be #1 against the pass but it ain't us. 28th.
 
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