Can't it be both?
How much better wasn't Banner in comparison to Okorafor?
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Can't it be both?
well there were 0 tackles of Ben by Banner's guy..now Banner's guy may have knocked him down at some point...but he never tackled him....that would show in the stats
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http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=30250&team=23
I saw it wasn't on the drop down list but I searched his name originally to find it. I personally think Big Al is on a bigger decline than Pouncey...though he really needs to cleanup those snaps.
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Oddly enough, you apparently haven't even looked at NFL.com to see the highlights which plainly shows Williams and Lawrence sacking Ben (both which were Al's assignment). So you are still wrong, again. Although I still feel the second was a coverage sack, Ben had a hot read. You've been saying Pouncey been in decline for years and yet he still gets accolades EVERY YEAR, Just hang your hat on your 6th round Punter you probably think will be in the HOF like Chickillo.
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Honestly, it's not a hard group to bait.
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If you saw the game Pouncey isn't pushing anyone around these days and had a few low snaps. The punter I liked who went to the pro bowl and has HOF ability was taken in the 5th round. I saw Banners man getting by him and hitting Ben during sacks. Whether or not they charged them to Al is not the point, his lack of agility is. It was a very easy game to pass block in as we had the ground game going and the lead.
At this point I hope Tomlin started the wrong man. His talent evaluation has been shaky before, so maybe Chuks is the better of the two?
We'll see.
You are far too often short on facts. Bait fans huh? tell yourself whatever but it is fans calling you out for being football challenged. That is some odd world you live in that your perspective is so twisted.Honestly, it's not a hard group to bait.
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pretty sure you don't know the definition of the word "facts"
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Changing the narrative already, because you were wrong and can’t refute it. First off, players had no OTAs, no Mini Camps, no hitting in camps except for the last four weeks, no preseason games. Their first walk throughs were the second day of full T camp. All players league wide, were going to be less than sharp for the first few weeks of regular season play. The officials let them play the first week, and didn’t flag holding as much as they usually do.
You saw Banners man hit Ben? Yet only Al’s assignment was charged with the sacks. Any DL player is going to get to the QB on any given pass play. That’s the problem with your “player analysis”, you follow the ball and not the assignments.
Hey, congrats on tagging a Punter in the draft making a Pro Bowl. Even a blind squirrel will find a nut. “HOF ability”? Considering there is only one HOF punter, and no one will match what Ray Guy did, your statement is about as premature as any prediction you’ve made.
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Enough already. The guy was a good story, and if he played long enough would be exposed badly by speed rushers. He was beaten a few times in game one. Until then he was cut by the Colts, Browns, and Panthers. Those are the facts.
We'll see if Tomlin picked the right guy or not to start.
Yes, I think Dickson has Hall of fame ability. Don't bother comparing him to Ray Guy, he's way better.
We'll see if Tomlin picked the right guy or not to start.
Yes, I think Dickson has Hall of fame ability. Don't bother comparing him to Ray Guy, he's way better.
enough of your **** already
you start a thread saying Banner gave up 1.5 sacks in game one, which he didn't. nothing else in your initial post was close to a fact (other than banner won the battle over who would start)
the only facts in your last post are that he was cut by other teams
without any preseason games to watch, there is no way for us to know who looked better in practice All OL players get beat at some point in a game.....that is a fact.
Tomlin and the OL coach went with who they thought was the better guy....
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Enough already? How about enough of your BS. Good story, “but this, if that”. You obviously don’t understand film and assignments. You don’t know anything as to how his play would have developed. For all you know he could turn it out like a Deebo type player, who was cut more times in a longer period.
Pitt won the game, barring a missed PA, they scored 27 points. I’d say Tomlin picked the right guy. Your agenda, however is DOA.
So in your opinion Dickson is HOF ability, AND you say he’s nowhere close in ability to the only punter in the HOF. So you basically disagree with your own statement.
That sure epitomizes the ignorance of your player assessment ability.
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Ike, I believe Coach meant to say that Dickson is way better than Guy; Coach's sentence was simply grammatically incorrect.
If we waste another 4th or 5th round pick on a punter, I'm punching Colbert in the nuts...
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If Coach believes Dickson is/will be better than Guy, then he’s even a bigger idiot than he already is. Ray made six straight pro bowls, Dickson 1 in 3 years. Coach has 11 more years to back track, before Dickson catches up to how many years Guy played.
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Perhaps Coach will clarify his meaning at some point. In any event, it's a little early to start fitting Dickson for a HOF jacket.
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As a rookie he made the pro bowl. He's got a big leg, good hang time, and can be used for trick plays to run the ball. He's got the ability to make the hall of fame, but as a punter it won't be easy.
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As for Okorafor, his pass protection looked better than Banner's. Conner had one nice run, keyed by a Watt block, however he's too slow to feature and not the same player he was 2 years ago. I want to see the rookie play.
So then, whom, in your opinion is "way better"? Dickson or Guy? You still haven't made yourself clear.
pretty sure they meant that your post seemed to indicate he was better than Ray Guy. Your comment was not worded well....unless that is what you meant....
JC is far better when he runs north and south. The sweeps and stretch style plays are never good ones for him. I too want to see McFarland, but I doubt they trust him in blitz pickup to give him a hat over JSam just yet.
Agreed. Conner is better running north and south with a FB leading the way. Folks (including Fichtner unfortunately) seem to forget that his best running two years ago came with Nix leading the way. Last year, with Nix hurt, Conner was not the same back as he was with a lead FB and eventually he wore down and was injured. So far this year, Fichtner has had the '"bell cow" in the game mostly without a FB and he's sucked. When Watt was in there leading the way today, Conner had his most effective runs.
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You can take Ray Guy's best two years as a punter and compare them to Dickson's. Let me how who that comes out.
Some people don't like to compare era's.
I will say Dickson is better, but Guy for his time might have stood out more thanks to media coverage and the hype attached to him being a1st round pick. Clear enough?
Punters and kickers have improved a lot since the 1970's and 1980's.
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Back, back, back, track. Compare the best two years nonsense? Media coverage? There was a thousand times more coverage for Dickson’s draft (2018), than Guy in 1973.
Sure, Guy was a #1 pick, but your hero won the college Punting award, once, which is named after the HOF’er. How can you live with yourself being (or acting) like a complete Dumb ***?
Wake me when Dickson has 3 SB Rings, 3 All-Pros noms, and 7 ProBowl selections. Until then yell at a cloud.
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Sure, Guy was a #1 pick, but your hero won the college Punting award, once, which is named after the HOF’er. How can you live with yourself being (or acting) like a complete Dumb ***?
Wake me when Dickson has 3 SB Rings, 3 All-Pros noms, and 7 ProBowl selections. Until then yell at a cloud.
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Look, bud, I was just trying to clarify what your original point was because you used poor sentence structure, and your ambiguous statement was under attack from another poster.
But now that were into it...
What's clear enough is you're simply confused, because you want me to compare Guy's best years to Dickson's, then you go on to admit that punters have improved a lot in the last 30 or 40 years. OBVIOUSLY, things HAVE changed, because despite leading the league in punting average in three of his seasons (at 42.2, 43.3, and 43.8), Guy's best yearly number of 45.3 doesn't even crack the top 250 on the all-time punting list.
Let me know when this fellow Dickson (who's giving you such a raging hard-on) leads the NFL in punting average THREE TIMES, and we can continue the conversation.