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Troglodyte said:
Nevermind that. Collisions are a lot less forceful when neither player’s feet are anchored by cleats in turf.
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That is quite possibly the dumbest thing ever uttered on this board.....and that’s saying something.
Are the collisions more or less forceful when a WR is running a slant at full speed and is crushed by a safety running at him at full speed, meaning, their feet are obviously not anchored by their cleats because they’re in motion?
Blades can cut into and anchor into ice just as easily. Defensemen stand up opposing players at the blue line all the time with this technique. But two players colliding while moving towards each other is more violent than standing a guy up without being anchored.


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Coryea said:
Take the hitting out of the equation, skating is alot easier on your body than running/sprinting is. I never got sore muscles from skating, but if you'd play just a pick up game of football, you're going to be sore the next couple days, your muscles work way harder when sprinting than they do skating.
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Not being facetious, please explain how skating is easier on the body than running/sprinting is.

Also skating vs playing hockey are two completely different entities. Unfair to say you’re more sore playing pickup football vs skating. That’d be like saying I got more sore playing hockey than running a 40 yard dash.
Skating is only one aspect of playing hockey. It’s not the totality of its physicality.

You do understand that in order to glide/skate on ice you must dig your blades into the ice repeatedly at a fast pace, much akin to sprinting, right? You also pump your arms in the same fashion. Ice skates aren’t magical. There is a coordinated effort that goes into skating, just the same as sprinting.

I lettered in 3 sports in high school ( Glory Days, well passing by ) football, hockey, and track. I was injured the most playing hockey, but I never noticed a difference in achy muscles between the 3. I was never more/less sore from one to the other. Just different places. I was never a pro athlete, hell, not even a college athlete, so I can’t speak from a professional standpoint. But I still play drop in hockey and backyard football from time to time. Again, no more/less achy between the two.


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Unquestionably you can hit much harder in hockey. It just doesn't really happen that often. There is a reason you can play hockey every two days or even back to back. Not football.
 
fedderone said:
That is quite possibly the dumbest thing ever uttered on this board.....and that’s saying something.
Are the collisions more or less forceful when a WR is running a slant at full speed and is crushed by a safety running at him at full speed, meaning, their feet are obviously not anchored by their cleats because they’re in motion?
Blades can cut into and anchor into ice just as easily. Defensemen stand up opposing players at the blue line all the time with this technique. But two players colliding while moving towards each other is more violent than standing a guy up without being anchored.
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LOL! For Chris sake, skates and cleats serve the exact OPPOSITE purpose! One helps a player to slide across the surface, the other helps prevent that.

I suppose it would be just as easy to push say, a car, across a frozen lake wearing ice skates as it would across a football field wearing cleats? Give it up, man!

Football is more physical, and the collisions are more violent. It’s obvious to everyone except you.
 
Troglodyte said:
LOL! For Chris sake, skates and cleats serve the exact OPPOSITE purpose! One helps a player to slide across the surface, the other helps prevent that.

I suppose it would be just as easy to push say, a car, across a frozen lake wearing ice skates as it would across a football field wearing cleats? Give it up, man!

Football is more physical, and the collisions are more violent. It’s obvious to everyone except you.
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Thank you illustrating your lack of knowledge regarding ice skates and how they function.
Yes, for anyone that has adequate experience using ice skates, it would be just as easy pushing the car.
You know, when skaters stop, they’re digging the blades into the ice. The edges of the skate dig/grip into the ice and create little grooves into the ice.
Grab a pair of blades sometime and practice. You may come to understand how wrong you are....eventually.
You obviously have also never watched a hockey game or highlights of hockey hits. I get it. Football’s your sport. It’s life to you. Nobody’s trying to disparage your sport. Relax.


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Troglodyte said:
LOL! For Chris sake, skates and cleats serve the exact OPPOSITE purpose! One helps a player to slide across the surface, the other helps prevent that.

I suppose it would be just as easy to push say, a car, across a frozen lake wearing ice skates as it would across a football field wearing cleats? Give it up, man!

Football is more physical, and the collisions are more violent. It’s obvious to everyone except you.
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Well you are clearly someone who has never played hockey. I'm 48 years old and I bet my 40 yard skate time is still world class against a runner. You get two guys going that fast at each other and the collision is off the charts. It just doesn't happen as much in Hockey. Every play in football is multiple collision.
 
Coach said:
If the XFL drafts sophomores in college, it will be a problem.
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A problem for colleges maybe. Gives young men an option. Now the colleges and NFL can't dictate the process of when a players can play professionally.
 
If the XFL drafts sophomores in college, it will be a problem.
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Assuming there is an XFL around more than a year from now. Didn't work out so well last time.

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Just as some upstart wrestling organization has zero chance against WWE this **** has no shot either. Its engrained traditions and rivalries and that the fact that any great player will be moving on to the bigger league anyhow. People will support minor league affiliation all the time, be it baseball, hockey or basketball. Particularly in smaller communities where there is not much options. Football's minor league has been and always will be college football. People just are not interested in close to the best players on teams with zero traditions and names like Maddogs. Fortunately, for Vince he has plenty of money to flush.
 
SteelerSask said:
I'm 48 years old and I bet my 40 yard skate time is still world class against a runner.
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No, you’d just be getting up to speed as the runner was finishing because skates are very good at gripping their surface.
 
This is the exact model I have been begging for for years... it will force the NFL to create the minor league system they have needed ever since college broke from pro style systems and basically forces college to fix itself too... 100% watching and supporting this... the only people who will get mad over this are the big college program fans...
 
The other thing is if they are smart they do a transfer agreement with the nfl at some point, so if the nfl wants to pilfer guys under contract the XFL gets money for developing them.
 
Troglodyte said:
No, you’d just be getting up to speed as the runner was finishing because skates are very good at gripping their surface.
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I play a ton of rec touch football and hockey. I'm sure if you timed me on a 40 yard dash it would be mid 5's. On Ice there is no possible way I'm not beating that time by at least one second. Not a chance. So that gets me to 4.5. Maybe world class is a stretch. But i'm sure you could make the leap here. And then on top of it you have in very limited situations both participants travelling at eachother at very high speed. Then you throw in variables like wooden boards and an extremely hard surface to land on. Like I said, in football, way more chances for contact injuries. By the sheer volume of contacts. But hockey CAN by its nature create crazy force contact.
 
Sooner or later this type actions and l the money being paid for ones not playing a down in the NFL will hurt the game. As it is all the extra stuff is talked about more than the play on the field. As of now really the NCAA game is just a stepping stone for talent to the NFL
. They have no realization that you may not be good enough to make the NFL, many play a few years and have no future in the real world without the education. They don't get one injury you could be a has been. All they see is all this money and glory not the down falls. They have a false sense theat any league starting up or even the NFL that they are more than just a means to make money, they produce nothing but entertainment.
 
SteelerSask said:
I play a ton of rec touch football and hockey. I'm sure if you timed me on a 40 yard dash it would be mid 5's. On Ice there is no possible way I'm not beating that time by at least one second. Not a chance. So that gets me to 4.5. Maybe world class is a stretch. But i'm sure you could make the leap here. And then on top of it you have in very limited situations both participants travelling at eachother at very high speed. Then you throw in variables like wooden boards and an extremely hard surface to land on. Like I said, in football, way more chances for contact injuries. By the sheer volume of contacts. But hockey CAN by its nature create crazy force contact.
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I suspect you’re underestimating how long it takes you to get up to speed on skates but regardless, speed and force are only part of the equation. My point about cleats and anchoring involves how moveable the object (player) is. Skaters are far more moveable than runners and therefor absorb much less of the force.
 
Three strides to full speed. Maybe 4. For some injuries you are right. Being planted firmly on the ground is not a good thing. But when you look at something like your body stopping from near full speed on ice to zero that creates a hell of a lot of force. That is why "upper body injuries" code word concussion are extremely prevalent in the NHL. I don't know what you played. I know this. I played high enough level that it starts to be for real in both sports. Senior high school football and fringe post secondary football. Midget B hockey, no where near anything big. The volume of football injuries is higher because the amount of contact is crazy. But some the collisions I've seen with my own eyes, taken and given far exceeded what I saw in football. And then the crazy toughness of hockey players I've seen with my own eyes is only rivaled by stories I've heard about crazy Rugby dudes. My testimonial.
 
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