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Having scored 30+ points in 6 straight games...

Steelz said:
Its crazy, i was just thinking about making a thread on Haley and if he'll be taken away from us after this year for a head coaching job. He deserves alot of credit for this offence, hopefully he'll stay.
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I believe that Todd Haley is a good to great coordinator, but not a head coach, there are some coaches that coordinator is their limit, Dick Lebeau was one of them as well. Haley will probably get some looks or offers, but I don't know if he'll want to entertain that gig again or not.

Papillon
 
When it suits him, Vader will say that ranking offenses and defenses based on yards gained / allowed is pure idiocy and points are the only thing that matters. He's consistent in that he's willing to twist logic in any and every direction in order to be a hateful, spiteful prick.
 
34 points against Denver's D is legit, hell it's legit on most defenses. Now, the caveat is, can they do it twice? As things stand, the Steelers will, yet again, have to go to Denver for a playoff game. Now, there are still 2 left, but odds are that's what will transpire. Steelers 1-4 @Denver in playoffs.
 
Steelerz99 said:
34 points against Denver's D is legit, hell it's legit on most defenses. Now, the caveat is, can they do it twice? As things stand, the Steelers will, yet again, have to go to Denver for a playoff game. Now, there are still 2 left, but odds are that's what will transpire. Steelers 1-4 @Denver in playoffs.
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A lot can happen between now and then... let's just get into the playoffs first.
 
mdk2 said:
San Fran, Baltimore, and Cleveland.. that's 3 of the 5 teams during that stretch.. also 3 of the worst teams in the league.

I wouldn't expect you to back "your team" for once though..
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You mean the same SF team we feasted on, take away those points too ?

The Seahawks and Wilson *** raped us with 5 TD passes. I am not a blind homer so **** off if ur vagina bleeds.
 
Vader said:
They aren't the top 3 in the league. The bungles are 9th overall in defense.
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Coming into the game, they were touted as one of the top 2. I believe it may have been for scoring or overall D. Either way, they were a very good D and we lit them up.
 
Well **** then, I know how to have the number one ranked d in the NFL, I'm going to be a hero, next year I'm going to coach and have the offense fumble the ball on the 20 right after kickoff, actually, I'll have them run back to the 1 yard line and fumble. The offense will only get credit for 1 yard, but they will score touchdowns all game long. I'll have the top defense in the nfl, I'll give up 20 yards per game (with 20 TD's, but hey, who gives a **** about points, right?)

I'm a genius. I wish I had thought of this earlier.

Joe
 
Pens said:
You mean the same SF team we feasted on, take away those points too ?

The Seahawks and Wilson *** raped us with 5 TD passes. I am not a blind homer so **** off if ur vagina bleeds.
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The seahawks don't even have the running back they had vs us anymore... Wilson is hot right now, but remember we probably should have won that game playing in their place... if we did have a rematch in the superbowl, that isn't going to be anything like a home game for Seattle... The other thing to remember is that while wilsons streak is admirable in any condition, its not like he is facing the best of the best out there... Minnesotsa is the only team they have faced with even an Ok pass defense and won, and Minnesota's defensive numbers are more based off of quality of opponents than actual playing style...


The thing is, looking at pure yardage doesn't exactly correlate to good defense or offense... situation and opponent dictate so much of that... yards per pass attempt are much better indicators... as such the average in the NFL is 7.3 yards per pass... a good defense gives up 7 or fewer... a great defense gives up less than 6.3... conversely a bad defense gives up between 7.5 and 7.6... a horrid one gives up 8.3 or more as such there are two great pass d's in the league right now... Denver and Carolina... and one horrendous one... new Orleans....

The good ones: Carolina, Denver, Cincinnati, NY Jets, Kansas City, Houston, Seattle, New England, Oakland, Buffalo, Arizona, Green Bay

The average: Philadelphia, Minnesota, St. Louis, Atlanta, Chicago, Dallas, Jacksonville, Baltimore, Tampa Bay

The Bad: Indianapolis, Detroit, NY Giants, Pittsburgh, Washington, San Diego, Miami, Tennessee, San Francisco, Cleveland, New Orleans


Seattles losses pretty much correlate to the better pass defenses in the league. If Seattle cant beat Arizona without honey badger this week... it bodes ill for them in the NFC playoffs, where green Bay, Arizona, and Carolina await.


The steelers performance vs those top pass d's is far better... While they lost to four of them... one (KC) was without Ben, in a second Ben was just back from a long injury layoff (cinci #1). Moreover they were able to pass effectively against both Seattle and the Patriots... and the second game vs Cinci they demolished them. They also crushed Denver and Arizona... In short this offense is incredibly good right now... more aligned with the Pats of the mid 2000's or early 00's rams... the defense isn't good but its playmaking, which has a history of working in the postseason of late.
 
Punxsutawney said:
.....it may be time to officially put the "the offense is inconsistent" baby to bed. This is a championship caliber offense.

Haley is probably coaching himself into a head coaching job next year.
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Haley took a while to come around and use the talents on the offense. He's been better. No more runs on 3rd and 4, and less goofy plays.

But when Ben was gone, Haley became a castrated bull, unable to come up with new ideas.

I won't miss him if he leaves and will predict he will bomb unless has a good QB.
 
I would like Ben to eliminate his poor decisions. He has too many WTF moments. Maybe everyone does.
 
Stainless said:
I would like Ben to eliminate his poor decisions. He has too many WTF moments. Maybe everyone does.
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Ben throws more risky passes than most. But it's part of what makes him great, so I can love with an INT if it means 300+ yards and 2-3 TD's.

In the red zone, Ben hardly ever throws picks.
 
There is an article over on ESPN about why Bens picks mostly don't matter.... Its risk and reward... if you have a guy like O'donnel who NEVER throws picks, but also never makes plays downfield... the Tds you don't get are probably a net loss from the Tds you may give your opponent off a turnover... its just a different NFL these days... you aren't playing to win 13-10 where every point matters and they are hard to come by... a 30 point game in 1970 would impress me far more than a 30 point game these days... points are cheap.

Ben is a gambler with a big arm and touch... in NFL history those are the guys you take risks with
 
madinsomniac said:
The seahawks don't even have the running back they had vs us anymore... Wilson is hot right now, but remember we probably should have won that game playing in their place... if we did have a rematch in the superbowl, that isn't going to be anything like a home game for Seattle... The other thing to remember is that while wilsons streak is admirable in any condition, its not like he is facing the best of the best out there... Minnesotsa is the only team they have faced with even an Ok pass defense and won, and Minnesota's defensive numbers are more based off of quality of opponents than actual playing style...


The thing is, looking at pure yardage doesn't exactly correlate to good defense or offense... situation and opponent dictate so much of that... yards per pass attempt are much better indicators... as such the average in the NFL is 7.3 yards per pass... a good defense gives up 7 or fewer... a great defense gives up less than 6.3... conversely a bad defense gives up between 7.5 and 7.6... a horrid one gives up 8.3 or more as such there are two great pass d's in the league right now... Denver and Carolina... and one horrendous one... new Orleans....

The good ones: Carolina, Denver, Cincinnati, NY Jets, Kansas City, Houston, Seattle, New England, Oakland, Buffalo, Arizona, Green Bay

The average: Philadelphia, Minnesota, St. Louis, Atlanta, Chicago, Dallas, Jacksonville, Baltimore, Tampa Bay

The Bad: Indianapolis, Detroit, NY Giants, Pittsburgh, Washington, San Diego, Miami, Tennessee, San Francisco, Cleveland, New Orleans


Seattles losses pretty much correlate to the better pass defenses in the league. If Seattle cant beat Arizona without honey badger this week... it bodes ill for them in the NFC playoffs, where green Bay, Arizona, and Carolina await.


The steelers performance vs those top pass d's is far better... While they lost to four of them... one (KC) was without Ben, in a second Ben was just back from a long injury layoff (cinci #1). Moreover they were able to pass effectively against both Seattle and the Patriots... and the second game vs Cinci they demolished them. They also crushed Denver and Arizona... In short this offense is incredibly good right now... more aligned with the Pats of the mid 2000's or early 00's rams... the defense isn't good but its playmaking, which has a history of working in the postseason of late.
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Good post.

The Steelers have definitely played better pass defenses than the Seahawks have played over the past month.

With that being said, I'd argue that yards per pass play, which takes sacks into account, is a stronger indicator of defensive performance than yards per attempt. The Steelers are considerably better in that category, being among the league leaders in sacks.
 
Coach said:
Haley took a while to come around and use the talents on the offense. He's been better. No more runs on 3rd and 4, and less goofy plays.

But when Ben was gone, Haley became a castrated bull, unable to come up with new ideas.

I won't miss him if he leaves and will predict he will bomb unless has a good QB.
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I think Haley did pretty well in Ben's absence, given what he had to work with in Vick and Jones. He and Tomlin kind of ****** up the end of the Ravens game, but things could have been worse during those four games. Making enough plays on offense to go 2-2 there saved the season.
 
papillon said:
Yesterday it was pretty much pass, pass, pass, victory formation, not much running (14 attempts by a RB). :)

Papillon
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I am absolutely fine w/this mindset. If you do one thing better than anyone else, then do it and do it often.
 
madinsomniac said:
There is an article over on ESPN about why Bens picks mostly don't matter.... Its risk and reward... if you have a guy like O'donnel who NEVER throws picks, but also never makes plays downfield... the Tds you don't get are probably a net loss from the Tds you may give your opponent off a turnover... its just a different NFL these days... you aren't playing to win 13-10 where every point matters and they are hard to come by... a 30 point game in 1970 would impress me far more than a 30 point game these days... points are cheap.

Ben is a gambler with a big arm and touch... in NFL history those are the guys you take risks with
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I would not say the interceptions have largely been insignificant. Those two late picks in the first Bengals game were killers, and the late one Sunday could have been a disaster if the defense did not bail him out. He needs to be a little less reckless if they want to advance deep into January.
 
Punxsutawney said:
I would not say the interceptions have largely been insignificant. Those two late picks in the first Bengals game were killers, and the late one Sunday could have been a disaster if the defense did not bail him out. He needs to be a little less reckless if they want to advance deep into January.
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The point of that article was that despite some risky decisions that ended up bad, as you pointed out, the past two seasons has had a lot more risky throws that paid off big time... you take the good with the bad and cant focus on the hindsight after bad plays when you have a true gunslinger...

I mean Brady threw 3 tds and no picks vs denver, but still lost. he didn't test the d nearly as much as we did, despite the one bomb. He threw the ball away a lot, finished 23-42 and lost... Aaron Rodgers threw for 77 yards total vs them and lost... id take ben's 40/55 with 380, 3 tds and 2 ints over any of those QB's games... that winning TD wouldn't have been thrown by most QBs... the safety would scare them off
 
madinsomniac said:
The seahawks don't even have the running back they had vs us anymore... Wilson is hot right now, but remember we probably should have won that game playing in their place... if we did have a rematch in the superbowl, that isn't going to be anything like a home game for Seattle... The other thing to remember is that while wilsons streak is admirable in any condition, its not like he is facing the best of the best out there... Minnesotsa is the only team they have faced with even an Ok pass defense and won, and Minnesota's defensive numbers are more based off of quality of opponents than actual playing style...


The thing is, looking at pure yardage doesn't exactly correlate to good defense or offense... situation and opponent dictate so much of that... yards per pass attempt are much better indicators... as such the average in the NFL is 7.3 yards per pass... a good defense gives up 7 or fewer... a great defense gives up less than 6.3... conversely a bad defense gives up between 7.5 and 7.6... a horrid one gives up 8.3 or more as such there are two great pass d's in the league right now... Denver and Carolina... and one horrendous one... new Orleans....

The good ones: Carolina, Denver, Cincinnati, NY Jets, Kansas City, Houston, Seattle, New England, Oakland, Buffalo, Arizona, Green Bay

The average: Philadelphia, Minnesota, St. Louis, Atlanta, Chicago, Dallas, Jacksonville, Baltimore, Tampa Bay

The Bad: Indianapolis, Detroit, NY Giants, Pittsburgh, Washington, San Diego, Miami, Tennessee, San Francisco, Cleveland, New Orleans


Seattles losses pretty much correlate to the better pass defenses in the league. If Seattle cant beat Arizona without honey badger this week... it bodes ill for them in the NFC playoffs, where green Bay, Arizona, and Carolina await.


The steelers performance vs those top pass d's is far better... While they lost to four of them... one (KC) was without Ben, in a second Ben was just back from a long injury layoff (cinci #1). Moreover they were able to pass effectively against both Seattle and the Patriots... and the second game vs Cinci they demolished them. They also crushed Denver and Arizona... In short this offense is incredibly good right now... more aligned with the Pats of the mid 2000's or early 00's rams... the defense isn't good but its playmaking, which has a history of working in the postseason of late.
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Wilson is the only QB in NFL history with 5 straight games with 3 or more TDS and 0 INTS. The previous record was held by Rodgers, Manning and Brady. He is passing the ball batter than any QB in the league right now.

Of we play Seattle again they will torch our shotty secondary and I doubt seriously our 3rd WR goes for over 200 yards again. Of course us having to best the Pats for the first time ever enough route to a Super Bowl won't happen, Brady and Bellicheck shot all over the stupid , arrogant Tomlin, mismatch of epic proportions.
 
Pens said:
Wilson is the only QB in NFL history with 5 straight games with 3 or more TDS and 0 INTS. The previous record was held by Rodgers, Manning and Brady. He is passing the ball batter than any QB in the league right now.

Of we play Seattle again they will torch our shotty secondary and I doubt seriously our 3rd WR goes for over 200 yards again. Of course us having to best the Pats for the first time ever enough route to a Super Bowl won't happen, Brady and Bellicheck shot all over the stupid , arrogant Tomlin, mismatch of epic proportions.
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Steelers have tore up a lot of never happens, I am not saying they can't beat the Pats.

As the Steelers have improved from game one, the Pats haven't improved from the second half of the season. Due to injuries but none the less.I like our chances.
 
madinsomniac said:
The point of that article was that despite some risky decisions that ended up bad, as you pointed out, the past two seasons has had a lot more risky throws that paid off big time... you take the good with the bad and cant focus on the hindsight after bad plays when you have a true gunslinger...

I mean Brady threw 3 tds and no picks vs denver, but still lost. he didn't test the d nearly as much as we did, despite the one bomb. He threw the ball away a lot, finished 23-42 and lost... Aaron Rodgers threw for 77 yards total vs them and lost... id take ben's 40/55 with 380, 3 tds and 2 ints over any of those QB's games... that winning TD wouldn't have been thrown by most QBs... the safety would scare them off
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If Brady is protecting a lead, he doesn't make that stupid throw Ben made at the end of Sunday's game. If there were a top ten list of things not to do in that situation, I'm not sure what would top it. With the possible exception of running backwards and fumbling into the end zone, he could have done virtually anything and it would have been a better decision.
 
Stainless said:
If Brady is protecting a lead, he doesn't make that stupid throw Ben made at the end of Sunday's game. If there were a top ten list of things not to do in that situation, I'm not sure what would top it. With the possible exception of running backwards and fumbling into the end zone, he could have done virtually anything and it would have been a better decision.
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Its easy to speculate that, but I saw brady once throw a pick while falling backwards in that same situation vs the dolphins a few years back... it was a blind throw into coverage, even worse... he had completed something similar a few weeks before and was the darling of sportscenter for a week... he got cocky and it cost him... Ben has been lights out on contested throws this year, and deep passes too... among the best ever seasons for a QB in touch passes. Is he occasionally forcing passes... absolutely, but he is completing a ton of those and its driving defenses nuts...
 
Punxsutawney said:
.....it may be time to officially put the "the offense is inconsistent" baby to bed. This is a championship caliber offense.

Haley is probably coaching himself into a head coaching job next year.
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We'll see this week. They're playing a bad Ravens team and we know what can happen when they play bad teams. They could score 40, I hope, or they might **** the bed and be lucky to score 16.
 
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