Harrison today

[steel dino]

And you think Joey came up with that all by himself..

Butler: Joey put James in

Porter: No

Butler: Put james in now

Porter: I said no

Butler to Tomlin: Can we put James in?

Tomlin: What did Joey say?

Butler: He said no

Tomlin: Then the answer is no

Speakin of Butler...and since i "owed" you a link...lol..
He doesnt really detail his feelings or what exactly happened...but this is what he said publically..

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2017/12/28/steelers-keith-butler-james-harrison/

I also need to add that I believe Coach T and Joey are very tight...on and off the field.

I believe their sons play High School football together and went through some common controversy this past season?

I think this also explains why Tomlin hasn't canned Joey as a coach, even after some very questionable behavioral incidents, on and off the field, in which you can question his coaching leadership ability..

 

[slashsteel]

Right now there's a 'he said, she said' about the whole thing. If Harrison expected to be playing part or full time -- was that because he was led to believe that from Tomlin and the coaching staff? Was he told directly that his role would be pure standby and they would like him assist in teaching the younger players? None of the general public knows.

Harrison seems to think that playing is the only contribution to a team that he's willing to do. So that indicates he doesn't place any value in mentorship as contributing to the team. That's on him alone.
The other thing he needs to remember is the team was working towards a defense where they could compete with the Patriots offense. His value is in setting the edge and rushing the passer from the outside. Brady KILLS the blitz from the outside -- it's been proven time and time again. Harrison is minimally effective against someone like Brady. If Harrison couldn't see that in the offseason, he was just deluding himself.

lulz this is rich. It doesn't matter what he was initially "told" every player knows nothing is guaranteed. But by all means keep on apologizing for his ******* behavior.

 

[BAS]

lulz this is rich. It doesn't matter what he was initially "told" every player knows nothing is guaranteed. But by all means keep on apologizing for his ******* behavior.

Heh... I'm not apologizing for his behavior. Far from it if you read my previous posts.

 

[slashsteel]

Heh... I'm not apologizing for his behavior. Far from it if you read my previous posts.

Your opening passage questions what he was led to believe. And what was accurate. There is enough reports to know what took place, and that is he didn't get his boo hoo ******* way.

I see you had points for both sides, so my bad there.

But the bottom line this really wasn't a two sided thing.


There was one ******* not doing what he should have been doing, and was going to be a ******** until he got what he wanted.

 

[Ike Kelly]

What did I just say that it doesn’t matter who the coach would have been, Cowher or even Hoodie. I would be just as critical. It was handled poorly and Tomlin is the head coach.
The Woodson deal was a disaster poorly handled by Cowher at the time and it came back to bother us.
Vrabel at the time was an ok player that by all accounts should have been retained and again who was the coach at the time? Cowher!


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Steelhurt as explained in another post. Cowher had no role in Woodson's exit. Woodson went public on national TV during the pro bowl complaining about his "contract situation" and the Rooneys and FO wasn't doing enough. Truth be told, Tom Donahoe was the GM, and it was discussed Woodson's future may be best served as a Safety since they were going younger with CBs (i.e. Chad Scott, and then DeShea Townsend.). Cowher explained how transitioning would extend his career in PItt. Woodson balked at that idea and his contract and took a lesser contract at SF. THEN went to OAK where he transitioned rather quickly to safety, all less than 18 mos from his mouthing off on live tv. All the while he would have made more $ staying at Pitt and doing what he ultimately did anyway.

Vrabel, was a different situation all together. He was behind Gildon (sack leader/pro bowler) and a fast rising Porter, who overtook Gildon later. He had no where to go except behind two outstanding players at his position. When his contract ran out, Steelers let him test the market and NE gave him starter money (in Pitt terms). If he would have been under contract longer he probably would have replaced Haggans who replaced Gildon. So it was just the timing. Plus NE later was using Vrabel as goal line eligible receiver for match ups. Something he was successful with.


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[Steelin]

Wasn't Tomlin as quoted as saying that he would have to be "crazy" to release Harrison? This was not a case of Tomlin's "ego" or anything like that that you people seem to think. Dude was a ***** in the locker room; his *** needed gone. I'll give him more stock when he does something against a quality team that doesn't have their third string qb taking snaps all in garbage time when they have a 20 point lead. People are still acting like we released Harrison in his prime. **** him.

You don't think that quote was somewhat disingenuous given the playing time that JH received? If cutting him was the plan he surely didn't want to reveal his true intentions.

 

[SCSteeler4life]

Harrison is freaking Patriot screw him. Same team he talked so much trash about to the media. He called them ************* liars. What does that make him now?

 

[steelhurt]

IMHO...As I mentioned before..

Joey Porter gets most of the blame on this fubar situation...

The position coach is the one that makes/recommends personnel decisions involving playing time, getting a helmet, etc....

There was a ton of "alpha male" **** going down between Joey, James, and Coach T since training camp....

And to be honest with yinz guys...I dont think Joey Porter should even be on the coaching staff...

Tomlin being the head coach must know what’s going on with his team. If he is surprised by what was going on and needs Porter to tell him then we have a bigger problem.
BTW, I agree with you on Porter.


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[slashsteel]

Sorry no no nuhno no

only one party to blame

James Harrison

not Tomlin

not Peezy

not the president

not the annoying neighbor who doesn't pick their dog **** up passing by your house

not God

not joe mamma, although I blame her for birthing some of yinz fucktards


it is James ************* Harrison

the whiney ***** who kept whining throughout the year

wasn't a good team player

didn't perform good enough in certain areas to see the field more

one person you Deebo nuthuggers

one

James Harrison

Thank you and good day.

 

[MT~Forged]

I have an easy New Year's resolution for you: Drop the "Cool Shades" slur.

It's gotten very old.

"Cool Shades" is not a "Slur" it is a identifier

 

[SteelBuckeye]

Tomlin being the head coach must know what’s going on with his team. If he is surprised by what was going on and needs Porter to tell him then we have a bigger problem.
BTW, I agree with you on Porter.


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Yep, Tomlin most likely did know what was going on. And, more than likely he didn't give a flying **** about James ******* Harrison and his desire to get on the field. Tomlin was pretty busy dealing with Bell's "hold out" and slow start, AB's water bucket antics, Bryant's blow up and making sure that the rest of the TEAM performed well enough to, despite a season of unneeded drama, finish the season at 13-3. Kudos to Tomlin for handling all this bullshit so well.
James ******* Harrison? ****, if I was Tomlin, I'd have told Porter to "just get a handle on that **** and keep it quiet til we figure out what to do with him". And I'd have told everyone else to keep it in house. Since both things seemed to occur right up until Harrison was released ... Kudos to Tomlin. He and his team contained a cancer and still stayed focus on the job at hand right up until they were ready to get rid of the cancer.
And by all means, let's get rid of Porter. I mean, it's not like when he was given a quality OLB prospect he actually developed the kid into someone who had the second most sacks for a rookie in team history, made several big plays in coverage and actually looks like he will develop into a very good to great OLB in our scheme.

 

[FAB802]

He's a ******* ****Patriot. Thanks for all you did for the Steelers in the past, but **** you now Mr. Harrison. Unreal.

 

[steelhurt]

Yep, Tomlin most likely did know what was going on. And, more than likely he didn't give a flying **** about James ******* Harrison and his desire to get on the field. Tomlin was pretty busy dealing with Bell's "hold out" and slow start, AB's water bucket antics, Bryant's blow up and making sure that the rest of the TEAM performed well enough to, despite a season of unneeded drama, finish the season at 13-3. Kudos to Tomlin for handling all this bullshit so well.
James ******* Harrison? ****, if I was Tomlin, I'd have told Porter to "just get a handle on that **** and keep it quiet til we figure out what to do with him". And I'd have told everyone else to keep it in house. Since both things seemed to occur right up until Harrison was released ... Kudos to Tomlin. He and his team contained a cancer and still stayed focus on the job at hand right up until they were ready to get rid of the cancer.
And by all means, let's get rid of Porter. I mean, it's not like when he was given a quality OLB prospect he actually developed the kid into someone who had the second most sacks for a rookie in team history, made several big plays in coverage and actually looks like he will develop into a very good to great OLB in our scheme.

It’s not about Tomlin being a terrible coach. No one said that. It’s about knowing what is going on with your team. If he has his hand on the pulse of the team and he makes the decisions on who stays and goes, then he should have cut ties with Harrison in September.
Porter has done what exactly? Oh yeah, he’s turned Uncle Jarvis into a pro bowler along with Bud Dupree. Don’t give him too much credit for Watt. That kid along wit JuJu has more heart than we’ve seen from rookies in a long line. Both come to work to do their jobs and without drama. You could have probably coached Watt.


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[slashsteel]

If they cut ties with Harrison early and the pats would have picked him up we would have heard the same fallout from it. Especially if a OLBer was hurt and put on IR for the year.

It would have been ohhhh you cut our depth wah.

No he was kept, they probably hoped he would get over his ***** tendencies.

But when they saw he wasn't, and they needed to cut someone. He was deemed not necessary.

Not needed. For being low on the depth chart and being a persistent *****.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

It’s not about Tomlin being a terrible coach. No one said that. It’s about knowing what is going on with your team. If he has his hand on the pulse of the team and he makes the decisions on who stays and goes, then he should have cut ties with Harrison in September.
Porter has done what exactly? Oh yeah, he’s turned Uncle Jarvis into a pro bowler along with Bud Dupree. Don’t give him too much credit for Watt. That kid along wit JuJu has more heart than we’ve seen from rookies in a long line. Both come to work to do their jobs and without drama. You could have probably coached Watt.


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Tomlin doesn't make the call on who stays or goes in a vacuum. Colbert holds a lot of power/say on those decisions too. And when you're talking about someone like Harrison, I'd dare say Rooney had input too. That's the problem. A lot of folks think that Tomlin holds the power of a HC/GM/Owner, when the reality is he's the HC only. So, he could have recommended Harrison be cut at any time and if Colbert and Rooney disagreed, guess what he's stuck with.... a disgruntled, ****** acting cancer in his locker room. And I'm not saying that's how it went down; just pointing out that it COULD have been like that.

Also, you bring up Jones and Dupree .... can't make chicken salad out off chicken **** when talking about one (Jones) and the jury is still out on Dupree (although they're on the way in with a verdict). So, you're saying Porter failed to develop guys that had/have in your opinion very little skill to begin with. As for Watt, the fact that he's willing to do his job without drama goes a long way in Porter's ability to coach him don't you think. It's a two way street. So, in my opinion, when given a quality prospect, with the right attitude and desire to improve, Porter was able to develop the kid into something that will be a valuable asset to this defense.

 

[slashsteel]

Tomlin doesn't make the call on who stays or goes in a vacuum. Colbert holds a lot of power/say on those decisions too. And when you're talking about someone like Harrison, I'd dare say Rooney had input too. That's the problem. A lot of folks think that Tomlin holds the power of a HC/GM/Owner, when the reality is he's the HC only. So, he could have recommended Harrison be cut at any time and if Colbert and Rooney disagreed, guess what he's stuck with.... a disgruntled, ****** acting cancer in his locker room. And I'm not saying that's how it went down; just pointing out that it COULD have been like that.

Also, you bring up Jones and Dupree .... can't make chicken salad out off chicken **** when talking about one (Jones) and the jury is still out on Dupree (although they're on the way in with a verdict). So, you're saying Porter failed to develop guys that had/have in your opinion very little skill to begin with. As for Watt, the fact that he's willing to do his job without drama goes a long way in Porter's ability to coach him don't you think. It's a two way street. So, in my opinion, when given a quality prospect, with the right attitude and desire to improve, Porter was able to develop the kid into something that will be a valuable asset to this defense.

Peezy only gets credit for the struggling linebackers. lulz

 

[Omar10213245]

I have an easy New Year's resolution for you: Drop the "Cool Shades" slur.

It's gotten very old.

"slur"??

 

[slashsteel]

"slur"??

you can't say it while drunk

hickup cool schladessssss

 

[steelhurt]

Tomlin doesn't make the call on who stays or goes in a vacuum. Colbert holds a lot of power/say on those decisions too. And when you're talking about someone like Harrison, I'd dare say Rooney had input too. That's the problem. A lot of folks think that Tomlin holds the power of a HC/GM/Owner, when the reality is he's the HC only. So, he could have recommended Harrison be cut at any time and if Colbert and Rooney disagreed, guess what he's stuck with.... a disgruntled, ****** acting cancer in his locker room. And I'm not saying that's how it went down; just pointing out that it COULD have been like that.

Also, you bring up Jones and Dupree .... can't make chicken salad out off chicken **** when talking about one (Jones) and the jury is still out on Dupree (although they're on the way in with a verdict). So, you're saying Porter failed to develop guys that had/have in your opinion very little skill to begin with. As for Watt, the fact that he's willing to do his job without drama goes a long way in Porter's ability to coach him don't you think. It's a two way street. So, in my opinion, when given a quality prospect, with the right attitude and desire to improve, Porter was able to develop the kid into something that will be a valuable asset to this defense.

Tomlin has zero responsibility. He just stands on the sideline and collects a multi million dollar salary. He has zero responsibility for who stays and who goes.
Geez!

I never said Jarvis and Bud were talentless. Just that Porter did little to develop them.
Watt is a guy that along with talent has heart and a great work ethic and attitude. You and I could coach up a guy like Watt.




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[steelhurt]

"slur"??

Geez! This guy who calls himself Frenchy Fuqua is something else. It was ok when the entire Steeler Nation referred to Cowher as The Jaw and Spit but calling Tomlin Cool Shades is politically incorrect.

I think this cat was implying that it was racial and that pisses me off. Nothing could be further from the truth.


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[FordFairLane]

If anyone thinks releasing Harrison was a great move you should be banned from this message board. If you can’t use him and he’s being a distraction to the team IR him and release him in the offseason.

The only way this is a good move is if he was intentionally released to get ahold of the cheats playbook, call signs, audibles, and tell us their first scripted plays to fight their cheating with our own. Besides that there’s no reason to cut him now.


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[SteelBuckeye]

Tomlin has zero responsibility. He just stands on the sideline and collects a multi million dollar salary. He has zero responsibility for who stays and who goes.
Geez!

I never said Jarvis and Bud were talentless. Just that Porter did little to develop them.
Watt is a guy that along with talent has heart and a great work ethic and attitude. You and I could coach up a guy like Watt.




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Over exaggerate much? Like a pre-pubescent teen, you took what I said and took it waaaay past what was actually written to a total overreaction. What I said was that Tomlin doesn't make personnel decisions in a vacuum. Colbert and in some instances Rooney will have/exert their say also. Especially in a case of Harrison's stature. If you want to think Tomlin makes the call on Harrison by himself, without Colbert and Rooney on board, you're welcome to think it. You're wrong, but you're entitled to your opinion.

As far as Jones goes, dude had NO talent. Total bust. Dupree has talent but seems to refuse to LEARN other moves besides his wide angle speed rush. You can't work with no talent and stubbornness/resistance. Now, you give a good coach a player with talent and work ethic ... Yeah, he can make something out of that kid. Plain and simple, there's no coach in the NFL H.O.F. who didn't have H.O.F. talent on his rosters. Good/great players make good/great coaches.

 

[steelhurt]

Over exaggerate much? Like a pre-pubescent teen, you took what I said and took it waaaay past what was actually written to a total overreaction. What I said was that Tomlin doesn't make personnel decisions in a vacuum. Colbert and in some instances Rooney will have/exert their say also. Especially in a case of Harrison's stature. If you want to think Tomlin makes the call on Harrison by himself, without Colbert and Rooney on board, you're welcome to think it. You're wrong, but you're entitled to your opinion.

As far as Jones goes, dude had NO talent. Total bust. Dupree has talent but seems to refuse to LEARN other moves besides his wide angle speed rush. You can't work with no talent and stubbornness/resistance. Now, you give a good coach a player with talent and work ethic ... Yeah, he can make something out of that kid. Plain and simple, there's no coach in the NFL H.O.F. who didn't have H.O.F. talent on his rosters. Good/great players make good/great coaches.

Why do some of you here feel compelled to start with the name calling. It’s a difference of opinion on this and that’s fine. We don’t have to agree. You stated your point, I stated mine and that’s all there is to it.
You and I and everyone on this board have no idea of the inner working of this or any NFL team. All we do here is for the most part is speculate because we actually do not know how things work.

My point was and remains that Tomlin who happens to be the HC needs to be aware of what’s going on with his team and take corrective actions to fix it. I can only speculate, remember I’m speculating that Tomlin has the control to add and subtract players being that’s he’s the head coach.
I would also speculate that he talks with Colbert on such decisions and just feel as though poor judgement was made with the handling of the Harrison ordeal. As head coach Tomlin should not have promised the man 25% of the snaps and then not use the guys. When the man asked to be released then make a decision and let him move on.

On Porter we disagree again, but it’s ok, really it is.
I don’t think he really brings much as a coach but you obviously do, and neither of our opinions really matter now. He only has to please one man.




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[SteelBuckeye]

Why do some of you here feel compelled to start with the name calling. It’s a difference of opinion on this and that’s fine. We don’t have to agree. You stated your point, I stated mine and that’s all there is to it.
You and I and everyone on this board have no idea of the inner working of this or any NFL team. All we do here is for the most part is speculate because we actually do not know how things work.

My point was and remains that Tomlin who happens to be the HC needs to be aware of what’s going on with his team and take corrective actions to fix it. I can only speculate, remember I’m speculating that Tomlin has the control to add and subtract players being that’s he’s the head coach.
I would also speculate that he talks with Colbert on such decisions and just feel as though poor judgement was made with the handling of the Harrison ordeal. As head coach Tomlin should not have promised the man 25% of the snaps and then not use the guys. When the man asked to be released then make a decision and let him move on.

On Porter we disagree again, but it’s ok, really it is.
I don’t think he really brings much as a coach but you obviously do, and neither of our opinions really matter now. He only has to please one man.




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You know what? That was a completely rational statement. You are right in regards to the unnecessary shot I took at you. My apologies.
As for the rest, we can agree to disagree to a certain extent.

P.S. Awhile back there used to be this guy named Vader that posted here. I blame him for the name calling .... lol

 

[stillwright]

If anyone thinks releasing Harrison was a great move you should be banned from this message board. If you can’t use him and he’s being a distraction to the team IR him and release him in the offseason.

The only way this is a good move is if he was intentionally released to get ahold of the cheats playbook, call signs, audibles, and tell us their first scripted plays to fight their cheating with our own. Besides that there’s no reason to cut him now.


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LOL...I didn't know that teams could IR a healthy player....I'm sure Harrison would have let everyone know that he was healthy. And as far as cutting Harrison. About time they cut him if half the stuff being reported is true. The true meaning of how NOT to be a TEAM player. Regardless if he was promised one thing or not. You don't do what he did. He collected his pay check every week I'm sure e didn't give it back. In the end that is all the team owed him.