Harbaugh

[steelermania]

I actually like Harbaugh (unlike his insufferable brother who I can't stand), but what a horrible game he had yesterday. Going for it on 4th down the second time is a 50/50 call, so I can understand him doing it, but the first one was idiotic. You just have to be aware of the game situation, plus you're not playing Cincy in a regular season game either. Just looking at your success percentage going on 4th down is not enough. You're risking giving the other team the ball in your territory, already down 7. You also have to look not just at whether you can get the first down, but whether your decision will lead to a score. You have to think you're going to score on this drive to make taking that risk worthwhile. Tennessee isn't offensively explosive, so I'm forcing them to go 80 yards. Harbaugh also mismanaged the clock at the end of the first half, wasting tons of time trying to hold onto time outs. Time outs are valuable, but time is more valuable. He was wasting 20-25 seconds saving those time outs. If he calls them when he should have, he'd have had 40-50 seconds left when he got inside the 10. He also abandoned the running game far too easily.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Hats off to him but it's only a matter of time & game film before a running wizard is figured out. ONCE the load was put onto Lamar, It was shown his true capabilities. Contain him and you contain the game. Harbaugh had a great season on borrowed time.




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[steelhurt]

Lamar now has a years worth of film and as you say Drink, it’s only a matter of time.


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[str8liner]

Hats off to him but it's only a matter of time & game film before a running wizard is figured out. ONCE the load was put onto Lamar, It was shown his true capabilities. Contain him and you contain the game. Harbaugh had a great season on borrowed time.




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I tried to tell one of my friends who is a Ravens fan that he should enjoy the Lamar erra while he can because it will be short. He will get killed running the ball or defenses will figure out his tendencies and weaknesses. The Titans sure had a good blueprint to beat him last night....

He took great pride in reveling at the "Squealers" troubles this year so I can't wait to see him and break into the Ray Lewis dance....

And there were a ton of Ravens fans who were making plans for the Superbowl lol.

 

[slashsteel]

Karma is a ************. Showed no class in their SB win against the Steelers. **** him and that rat infested team.

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[steelermania]

I tried to tell one of my friends who is a Ravens fan that he should enjoy the Lamar erra while he can because it will be short. He will get killed running the ball or defenses will figure out his tendencies and weaknesses. The Titans sure had a good blueprint to beat him last night....

He took great pride in reveling at the "Squealers" troubles this year so I can't wait to see him and break into the Ray Lewis dance....

And there were a ton of Ravens fans who were making plans for the Superbowl lol.

Also doesn't help that his receivers are very pedestrian. That's a bad combination. Kinda reminded me of what we saw from Buffalo last week, another team with a running qb with questionable accuracy, and a crappy receiving corps.

 

[SteelerFan448]

Harbaugh may have coached his worst game of the season yesterday. Basically swung and missed at every crucial decision he had to make.

 

[slashsteel]

So basically classic Harbaugh's.

Harbaugh may have coached his worst game of the season yesterday. Basically swung and missed at every crucial decision he had to make.

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[deljzc]

The team was like perfect on 4th and 1 all season, hard to call that 50-50. If anything I would say they gave up on the run too soon but I don't blame any coach for being aggressive on 4th and 1.

Drops, fumbles. The team **** the bed. Read their press clippings. They had 500+ yards total offense and 12 points. Not sure I blame that on the coach. It's happened here under both Cowher and Tomlin. It happens under most coaches not names Belichick. Happens a lot more with so-called "player-coaches" that want to woop-woop it up when the good happens.

I'm not a huge Harbaugh fan. He's okay. Sometimes I think he lets the chickens run the hen house. He looks the other way a bit too much for my taste on "thug culture" stuff.

 

[SteelerFan448]

Drops, fumbles. The team **** the bed. Read their press clippings. They had 500+ yards total offense and 12 points. Not sure I blame that on the coach. It's happened here under both Cowher and Tomlin. It happens under most coaches not names Belichick. Happens a lot more with so-called "player-coaches" that want to woop-woop it up when the good happens.

Of note, 50 percent of Jackson's offense came after they were already down 28-6. That includes one of his touchdowns.

With the fourth-down attempts, I understand why he went for them, but the Titans scored 14 points off those turnovers so each failure hurt. You also have to consider the Titans defense had a huge goal line stand against New England last week, so they were equipped to make a stop in short-yardage situations. Pin them deep with a punt or kick a field goal on those and the game is different. As mentioned to, his time out usage before the half was questionable and possibly cost them a chance at a touchdown.

 

[steelermania]

Of note, 50 percent of Jackson's offense came after they were already down 28-6. That includes one of his touchdowns.

With the fourth-down attempts, I understand why he went for them, but the Titans scored 14 points off those turnovers so each failure hurt. You also have to consider the Titans defense had a huge goal line stand against New England last week, so they were equipped to make a stop in short-yardage situations. Pin them deep with a punt or kick a field goal on those and the game is different. As mentioned to, his time out usage before the half was questionable and possibly cost them a chance at a touchdown.

Time outs are important, but time is more important, especially when you still have all three time outs left like they did. I will take an extra 25 seconds over a time out every time. You can run 3, 4, maybe even 5 plays in 25 seconds if you're smart. They let a ton of time run off the clock trying to save those time outs. Clock management is an art. Paying attention to it the last few years, it seems that most of the coaches, college, and pro, are really lacking there. I see mind boggling stuff pretty much every week.

 

[mightyguru]

0 playoff wins in the last 7 years...genius.

 

[bermudasteel]

0 playoff wins in the last 7 years...genius.

Hmmm??? But he's soooo much better than our HC! Well, Cooch thinks so...

 

[steel dino]

Of note, 50 percent of Jackson's offense came after they were already down 28-6. That includes one of his touchdowns.
.

Yes!

Very similar to the losing team running up shots on goal in hockey when your down big...

The Titans handled the lead perfectly....

Useless stats..

 

[black and gold apex]

Truly was fun watching Hairball n the sidelines with the facial expression and loved when he tried to amp up the officials and it did not work this time. Watching them get beat at home against the sixth seed and seeing Bill get elected to HOF was the best of nights

 

[Stainless]

With the exception of being a #1 seed, it was like watching us in the playoffs. I guess stranger things have happened, but surely he did not consult with our coaching staff in preparation for yesterday's game.

 

[Vader]

Live by the sword die by the sword. Jackson is limited as a QB. He struggles to read defenses and will run when a lane opens up. Look at his passes last night. 2 of them were NFL quality. The rest were to wide open WRs (and they had to reach for some of them) or so far off target they got picked or were incomplete. He's very inconsistent. But that's what Harbaugh's "game changing" offense is about. Once teams realize how to play Jackson then the defense better shut down the other team because the offense is going to struggle. Jackson just made too many mistakes to overcome.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

The team was like perfect on 4th and 1 all season, hard to call that 50-50. If anything I would say they gave up on the run too soon but I don't blame any coach for being aggressive on 4th and 1.

Hairball does not live in his fears.

 

[mightyguru]

Hairball does not live in his fears.

Obviously....

 

[Stryker]

4th and 1 with Lamar and that offense, I go for it every time. it was 100% on the year, so you go with it. It's a difference between coaches playing the odds (which is what Harbaugh did) vs not liking the result. It was stupid because they didn't make it.

I will always take a coach that goes for it on 4th and short or 2pt conversions more often than not. Those coaches tend to win more than everyone else.

 

[slashsteel]

4th and 1 with Lamar and that offense, I go for it every time. it was 100% on the year, so you go with it. It's a difference between coaches playing the odds (which is what Harbaugh did) vs not liking the result. It was stupid because they didn't make it.

I will always take a coach that goes for it on 4th and short or 2pt conversions more often than not. Those coaches tend to win more than everyone else.

I am not doing that on my side of the field, theirs fail and they still have to drive for points. On mine I am practically gift wrapping them some points.

 

[CharlesDavenport]

I don't think the book is closed on Lamar yet. However, I do recall some ridicule here when I posted the Wonderlic scores of QBs. Lamar was a 13. That's LOW.

 

[slashsteel]

I don't think the book is closed on Lamar yet. However, I do recall some ridicule here when I posted the Wonderlic scores of QBs. Lamar was a 13. That's LOW.

His playoff completion percentage paints a negative picture for the future. He better hope those wheels hold up.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

4th and 1 with Lamar and that offense, I go for it every time. it was 100% on the year, so you go with it. It's a difference between coaches playing the odds (which is what Harbaugh did) vs not liking the result. It was stupid because they didn't make it.

I will always take a coach that goes for it on 4th and short or 2pt conversions more often than not. Those coaches tend to win more than everyone else.

the problem i have with analytics is that is does not give enough weight to failure. Particularly in football. In baseball and in the world of investing, analytics works because there are so many at bats that you will come out ahead in the long run. Football doesn't always have a long run.

Analytics just looks at the odds of picking up 4th and 1. It doesn't properly factor in the cost of failure. That is what is always changing and analytics mostly ignores that side of the equation.

I would say the risk of failing on 4th and 1 against the Titans is greater than against the Chiefs. Why? Because The Titans offense is not great. They sometimes need help to score so when you give them that help, it's a game changer.

It's different than playing the Chiefs. The CHiefs offense is explosive and you know you have to be on a pace to score a lot. To me, that's why the Texans decision on a fake punt is better than Harbaugh's decision to go for it early in the game.

I believe if the Ravens punt, the whole game is different. The ravens may even win it. Houston was in a different scenario. O'Brien rightly assumed he had to score as many points as possible, so he made the aggressive call. I don't think giving the Chiefs a short field is as big of a mistake and giving the Titans a short field because the Chiefs don't need any help to score.

 

[slashsteel]

the problem i have with analytics is that is does not give enough weight to failure. Particularly in football. In baseball and in the world of investing, analytics works because there are so many at bats that you will come out ahead in the long run. Football doesn't always have a long run.

Analytics just looks at the odds of picking up 4th and 1. It doesn't properly factor in the cost of failure. That is what is always changing and analytics mostly ignores that side of the equation.

I would say the risk of failing on 4th and 1 against the Titans is greater than against the Chiefs. Why? Because The Titans offense is not great. They sometimes need help to score so when you give them that help, it's a game changer.

It's different than playing the Chiefs. The CHiefs offense is explosive and you know you have to be on a pace to score a lot. To me, that's why the Texans decision on a fake punt is better than Harbaugh's decision to go for it early in the game.

I believe if the Ravens punt, the whole game is different. The ravens may even win it. Houston was in a different scenario. O'Brien rightly assumed he had to score as many points as possible, so he made the aggressive call. I don't think giving the Chiefs a short field is as big of a mistake and giving the Titans a short field because the Chiefs don't need any help to score.

so keeping with that train of thought the Chiefs do not need any help they can score, so don't put them in position for an easier score by going for it on the Texans side of the field. On the Chiefs side sure go for it as often as desired...