Game Balls, Game Goats, & FU's.........vs Bengals

[slashsteel]

So again is Barron flashing star potential? Dupree? You can't take a handful of plays against a horrible team and start talking about stardom. You need to grind your gears on your over the top examination of a few plays against a horrible team compared to the other 3 games. Yes, he had 3 TFL against the bungles. He had 0 all year until then. He had no sacks until then. So all this star power because of one game against the bungles?

He flashed in preseason. we knew he was green still is. But yeah he has shown a potential.You seem to love mentioning the sack. I could care less if he gets sacks. he is a ILBer. His primary duties is against the run and pass which is has shown to be capable although still a work in progress. Which is why I said potentially.



Do you consider a pro bowl selection being a star? I am saying he has that type of potential and am willing to make a wager. An avatar season bet. If he makes one within his career I win, if not you win.

Silly to compare Dupree BTW he plays a different position.

Barron has prior NFL experience, hard to say if he will star in our system. But he did have his moments on the Rams...

 

[Vader]

He flashed in preseason. we knew he was green still is. But yeah he has shown a potential.You seem to love mentioning the sack. I could care less if he gets sacks. he is a ILBer. His primary duties is against the run and pass which is has shown to be capable although still a work in progress. Which is why I said potentially.



Do you consider a pro bowl selection being a star? I am saying he has that type of potential and am willing to make a wager. An avatar season bet. If he makes one within his career I win, if not you win.

Pro-bowl? In today's NFL? Kordell made a pro-bowl. No thanks. How about all pro?

 

[thesteelcity]

Yeah, Devin Bush is currently tied for 7th in the NFL in tackles and leads the league in fumble recoveries. Not bad for a rookie.

He's only going to get better and more comfortable. I like where he's at four games in.

 

[slashsteel]

Pro-bowl? In today's NFL? Kordell made a pro-bowl. No thanks. How about all pro?

Kordell was worthy of a pro bowl selection when he was slash.

I mean you are so confident in your assessment you would think my bet guideline would be just fine.

Surely Bush wouldn't make the pro bowl if he wasn't showing well.....

 

[wig]

Pro-bowl? In today's NFL? Kordell made a pro-bowl. No thanks. How about all pro?

He did set a team record for completion percentage that year. And in fairness, Stewart was never as horrible as people want to remember him. He was simply mediocre.

(Ducking! The Vader/Kordell wars are about to be renewed! Hide your worms!)

 

[Drink IRON City]

So again is Barron flashing star potential? Dupree? You can't take a handful of plays against a horrible team and start talking about stardom. You need to grind your gears on your over the top examination of a few plays against a horrible team compared to the other 3 games. Yes, he had 3 TFL against the bungles. He had 0 all year until then. He had no sacks until then. So all this star power because of one game against the bungles?

Vader, I can't speak for anyone but a player has to start somewhere and last night's game was the start. A rookie of any caliber is going to get better and better with experience. First game of the season can't be held for lifetime judgement, I know you know that. Bush has been rising more than declining as the season progresses and I'll take that. Steady improvement team wide will make us way tougher down the line and hopefully put us in a place to be peaking at the right time. I see Bush's play as a positive towards the future.




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[Vader]

Kordell was worthy of a pro bowl selection when he was slash.

I mean you are so confident in your assessment you would think my bet guideline would be just fine.

Surely Bush wouldn't make the pro bowl if he wasn't showing well.....

He got it as a QB not as slash. Sometime the original players won't play so they get far down the list for pro-bowls. Also I never said Bush was going to be a bust or even a bad player. He's going to be limited because he struggles with getting off blocks.

I mean if you are so confident in your assessment you'd think being an All pro would be set in stone right? He's fast, can cover, can easily get off blocks, is going to be unstoppable right?

 

[Muddler]

I gotta give the game ball to the Coordinators:

Fichtner - After two passive offensive games he got way out of the box last night with his use of the Wildcat and misdirection. Totally confused the Bungs and gave future opponents something more to game plan for. Now he has to just keep mixing more stuff in, especially deeper routes and passes. Our only hope for continued success is a diverse offense that attacks all levels of an opponents defense. My fear is that he'll stick with what has worked in the past and run it to death even after opponents have completely stuffed it.

Butler - took note of Bungs atrocious offensive line and applied pressure all game. As a result the defensive front dominated the game and after the first quarter the outcome was never really in doubt..

 

[slashsteel]

He got it as a QB not as slash. Sometime the original players won't play so they get far down the list for pro-bowls. Also I never said Bush was going to be a bust or even a bad player. He's going to be limited because he struggles with getting off blocks.

I mean if you are so confident in your assessment you'd think being an All pro would be set in stone right? He's fast, can cover, can easily get off blocks, is going to be unstoppable right?

I would think that a poster who thinks he can't get off blocks wouldn't be threatened by a pro bowl berth. No way he could make a probowl not being able to get off blocks right?

It is cool I see you aren't as confidence as your posts indicated.

 

[bermudasteel]

My FU goes out to Tomlin for another stupid challenge, which he AGAIN lost. Can someone just take that challenge flag away from him?

Pete Carroll got that very same call last week, if you don't remember. Coach Tomlin 'should have' won the challenge, but we all know why it was overruled...

 

[Vader]

Vader, I can't speak for anyone but a player has to start somewhere and last night's game was the start. A rookie of any caliber is going to get better and better with experience. First game of the season can't be held for lifetime judgement, I know you know that. Bush has been rising more than declining as the season progresses and I'll take that. Steady improvement team wide will make us way tougher down the line and hopefully put us in a place to be peaking at the right time. I see Bush's play as a positive towards the future

I'm not arguing any of that. I'd take a little issue with players getting better and better. That isn't always true. I'm not holding any particular game against him. Some are holding one game as the standard. I am not. He played 3 games before last night. He was not good in any of them until last night. And last night was against a horrible team that may not win 2 games all year.

Bush probably will get better but he isn't going to get any bigger. He's probably always going to struggle against OL, TEs, and RBs that come at him. If he can avoid them then fine. But he isn't going to be Ray Lewis IMHO. I see him as a steady ILB that may do very well if the front can keep him clean. Playing against good teams with good OLs is going to be a task for him.

Also I've said many times he shouldn't be starting. He isn't ready yet. He needs time. I wish Vince hadn't gotten hurt. That would allow him time to watch a little more and learn.

 

[thesteelcity]

Pete Carroll got that very same call last week, if you don't remember. Coach Tomlin 'should have' won the challenge, but we all know why it was overruled...

If I had money, I would have bet it would have been overturned. DBs push, grab and tug way worse than a hand on the back(with no push) from a WR. Tomlin and Co got jobbed on that one.

 

[Vader]

I would think that a poster who thinks he can't get off blocks wouldn't be threatened by a pro bowl berth. No way he could make a probowl not being able to get off blocks right?

It is cool I see you aren't as confidence as your posts indicated.

M confidence has nothing to do with what I wrote. It has to do with the how the league hands out pro-bowl births. If enough players don't want to play almost anyone can make one. If you had any confidence you'd accept my bet. All pro is for the best players at any position. You think that right? So bet it.

 

[Sarge]

I agree something is amiss with our short yardage game, been an issue all year. It's like they crawl into a shell, tighten up, and expect the worse. The playcalling is banal and unimaginative, whatever momentum we've established on the drive just disappears. It's like the whole O collectively goes 'oh crap, this ain't gonna work.' So something has to change. Rudolph has to show more assertiveness and confidence, audible out, change it up. And Fichtner, for the love of God, needs to tear up his playbook on short yardage plays and start from scratch.

I'll give you a hint. The Steelers line up for 4th and 1, showing run all the way. Bengals bring nine in the box. Tomlin call TO. They come back from the TO showing run all the way, in damn near the same formation, Bengals bring nine in the box and stuff that ****. That is the problem.

No imagination. Arrogance. Stupidity.

 

[21STEELERS21]

I thought Dupree's strip sack was the play of the game. Took away their momentum when they were still in the game.

Vannett might be the most deserving of a game ball. They moved him around a lot and we seemed to add a few new plays. Seemed a lot for a guy to
pick up in a week and not make a few mistakes.

As New England has proved a few times over, you don't need a defense with stars, you need one that plays together and everyone pulls their weight.

 

[bermudasteel]

I don't understand the idea that there were training wheels on Rudolph, saw in the game thread too whether it was "dink and dunk", "Rudolph is King checkdown", and "Too afraid to push ball downfield with Rudolph". Would anyone be saying that if that was Brady? No, it'd be "he's carving them up" because if the defense is taking away deep passes Brady will kill you underneath, that's what Rudolph did. Those passes were accurate and in stride, this is why the Bungles were getting sliced underneath, this is exactly how Brady always used to kill us.

The amount of jet sweeps and wildcat is the only thing to me that made it seem like they were "trying to help" Rudolph, other than that I'm perfectly fine with Rudolph always taking the open option if that's what the defense gives him

Exactly. It was 'death by 10,000 paper cuts'...

IMO, 'every team' will now have to prepare for the wildcat every week for us. It's not an easy formation to stop---just wait until they throw the wrinkle of passing from the wildcat.

Next week will be a better team, but I believe 'something' woke us up (last week against Seattle) and the proverbial needle, if you will, is pointing up, obviously...

 

[slashsteel]

M confidence has nothing to do with what I wrote. It has to do with the how the league hands out pro-bowl births. If enough players don't want to play almost anyone can make one. If you had any confidence you'd accept my bet. All pro is for the best players at any position. You think that right? So bet it.

It was my bet my guidelines. You don't get to coach change it because of whatever.

I see you agree he has pro bowl potential you are coming around and you don't even realize it.

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[bermudasteel]

Brady ball can work if you play good defense and special teams. Cindy’s OL was awful.

The question is can we win game playing this way vs .500 or better teams.

The addition of the new TE , the emergence of WR Johnson and the sudden light bulb moment the coaches had by using Samules might be enough. Well see.


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You're on to something, Coach - I said it in Hunter's thread about Vannett already---the kid is worth the 5th round pick. IMO, he's the complete package - blocking, catching, route running/adjusting.

Think on this...

If the offense played 'that well' w/o Ol' McDonald---the Ravens better be ready! And I'll add this, defensively, we match up as well as, if not better than the Browns, against the Ravens. This week will be a true test.

This is not directed at you, Coach.

 

[Sarge]

If the offense played 'that well' w/o Ol' McDonald---the Ravens better be ready! And I'll add this, defensively, we match up as well as, if not better than the Browns, against the Ravens.

I admire your optimism, but the Ravens are going to run the Steelers out of their own building.

 

[slashsteel]

I admire your optimism, but the Ravens are going to run the Steelers out of their own building.

Possibly

.I never thought the rats were all that. Unlike some of the other teams showing well. We'll see.

 

[TDX27]

Our entire D played well. The only time anyone looked a little out of place was Nelson (as I mentioned earlier) when they had him line 10+ yards off his man. His strength is bump and run and tight coverage on his man.. When they had him do that, he looked good. Hopefully, the D can continue to improve as the season moves on. If so, we might have something here - if not this year, then next year.

 

[bermudasteel]

On his sack he is untouched because the RG crashes down and doubles the DL. He is in no position to pick up anyone. He doesn't even get his hand on Bush. And we are not talking about pro-bowl OL. We're talking about one of the worst OL in the league.

Also I guess Barron flashed star potential as well? Dupree as well? He actually took on a defender and beat him. Star? I think your assessment is showing more than a few leaks.

So, you're saying that Bush's play (on the sack), was based on the mistakes of the RG? Maybe the RG's assignment was to 'double the DL'? Perhaps Coach Butler called the right play, at the right time, to counter said offensive play? Just need a little clarity on your assessment of Bush...since, obviously, the routing was due to them playing the worst OL in the league...

 

[Steeltime]

Remember Chico, all replays are reviewed by Riveron, not the on field head official. ... The whole set up for this rule is for it to disappear after this year, Riveron has no objective findings.l

Oh, Unca Al has his objective findings all right. "Does it help the Patsies***? If so, yes. If not, no."

Seriously, Al Riveron is a bag of burning feces. Despite that fact, I would be willing to put on my "barn boots" and stomp out that mother&@#$er's fire.

 

[Steelin]

Goat goes to Tomlin not allowing Mason to play on the third and short and fourth and short. Throw in the two other third and short where Steelers were stopped same type of running call. Tomlin had chance when game was won to see how he would do in these situations. Also was time to get Washington and the new TE involved at end of game, make some calls for their number , not Tomlin. Tomlin putting Snell in once more doing zero, he should be sent to practice squad and surly someone could be moved up that can make some plays.

I watched college highlights and it appears that Mason was versatile in QB sneaks etc. This may just be more evidence of Tomlins refusal to run those kinds of plays when needed most. I think that it somewhat lends to keeping the defense honest against the run.

 

[Steeltime]

I don't understand the idea that there were training wheels on Rudolph, saw in the game thread too whether it was "dink and dunk", "Rudolph is King checkdown", and "Too afraid to push ball downfield with Rudolph". Would anyone be saying that if that was Brady? No, it'd be "he's carving them up" because if the defense is taking away deep passes Brady will kill you underneath, that's what Rudolph did. Those passes were accurate and in stride, this is why the Bungles were getting sliced underneath, this is exactly how Brady always used to kill us.

This ^^^^^ !!!!!!!

Thought the exact same thing last night as the announcers were ragging on Rudolph. "Oh, he needs to push it downfield, he can't keep just dumping it off, blah-dee-*******-blah."

**** them. Tammy dumps off 2 yard passes over the middle on crossing routes, keeps the chains moving, puts points on the board and we hear, "OH MY GOD, HE'S SO GREAT, TAKING WHAT THE DEFENSE IS GIVING HIM!! My favorite flavor? Tammy's man juice, of course!!"