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Game Balls, Game Goats, & FU's.........vs Bengals

wig said:
He did set a team record for completion percentage that year. And in fairness, Stewart was never as horrible as people want to remember him. He was simply mediocre.

(Ducking! The Vader/Kordell wars are about to be renewed! Hide your worms!)
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Bwhahahaha. Please reconsider this opinion. IMHO and aging memory, there were too many games where he couldnt hit the side of a barn to feel thusly.
 
Tammy, lmao, I hadn't heard that one yet.
 
bermudasteel said:
So, you're saying that Bush's play (on the sack), was based on the mistakes of the RG? Maybe the RG's assignment was to 'double the DL'? Perhaps Coach Butler called the right play, at the right time, to counter said offensive play? Just need a little clarity on your assessment of Bush...since, obviously, the routing was due to them playing the worst OL in the league...
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I don't claim to be an OL guru. But I know they always block inside out. You are not to double anyone if someone is coming in your lane. So it was a mistake. But that's what happens with new OG or bad OG. I guarantee you DeCastro doesn't double team a guy that is already guarded and allows a ILB to just walk through the middle of the OL.

I've never heard of any scheme that allows that.
 
thesteelcity said:
Our short yardage running is shakey. We are picking up 5 yards running the Wildcat, running misdirection plays and then try running up the middle on a 4th and 1 and got blown off the ball. That is my only "gripe" in an overall, very satisfying win! Bring on the Rats!
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But keep the timeline in mind here, steelcity. They had 2nd and 1, ran into the middle of the line with Snell, picked up 1/2 yard. The go for it on 4th and 1/2, run Conner into the middle of the line, lose 2.

That was their 2nd possession. Thereafter, the Steelers introduced the Wildcat, and stopped stuffing the run in the middle of the field. They ran the sorta-option with Samuels. Now, the runs are going off tackle, and the big defensive tackles are forced to chase and run. They simply cannot do that. So the Steelers carved them up.

And the great thing about that little toss from Samuels being a pass rather than a run? If Conner or Johnson or whoever drops the damn thing, no biggie - incomplete pass. Simply brilliant move.

And hey, you know who else has those massive defensive tackles that clog up the A-gaps? Yep, the Rats. And Patsies****. Remember how in the 4th the Bungles defensive tackles twice had an "injury timeout" just because they were sucking wind? Make that fat ***** move and wear them down.
 
Vader said:
I'm not arguing any of that. I'd take a little issue with players getting better and better. That isn't always true. I'm not holding any particular game against him. Some are holding one game as the standard. I am not. He played 3 games before last night. He was not good in any of them until last night. And last night was against a horrible team that may not win 2 games all year.

Bush probably will get better but he isn't going to get any bigger. He's probably always going to struggle against OL, TEs, and RBs that come at him. If he can avoid them then fine. But he isn't going to be Ray Lewis IMHO. I see him as a steady ILB that may do very well if the front can keep him clean. Playing against good teams with good OLs is going to be a task for him.

Also I've said many times he shouldn't be starting. He isn't ready yet. He needs time. I wish Vince hadn't gotten hurt. That would allow him time to watch a little more and learn.
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He's a ROOKIE - to think he won't get bigger and stronger is HILARIOUS!!!

Sarge said:
I admire your optimism, but the Ravens are going to run the Steelers out of their own building.
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Maybe, maybe not. The lowly Browns set the blueprint on stopping Lamar Jackson - don't think that we won't employ some of those strategies :bump2:
 
Steelin said:
I watched college highlights and it appears that Mason was versatile in QB sneaks etc. This may just be more evidence of Tomlins refusal to run those kinds of plays when needed most. I think that it somewhat lends to keeping the defense honest against the run.
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You do realize that we only have Hodges behind Rudy, right??? Putting your only QB in danger by running a sneak play against a 10 man front ain't smart...

The bottom line is Coach Fitchner has to be better calling short yardage plays.
 
Sarge said:
I'll give you a hint. The Steelers line up for 4th and 1, showing run all the way. Bengals bring nine in the box. Tomlin call TO. They come back from the TO showing run all the way, in damn near the same formation, Bengals bring nine in the box and stuff that ****. That is the problem.

No imagination. Arrogance. Stupidity.
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So the Steelers just keep doing the same thing the rest of the game, right?

Oh, they didn't. At all. 100% the opposite. They introduce the Wildcat, get the running back on the move towards the outside, force defensive tackles to run, give Samuels the option of keeping the ball, and exploit the living **** out of the defense, which has its strength in the defensive line and stopping the run. The Wildcat was used 8 times, I believe, for 66 yards and a TD. With zero plays stopped at the LOS or going for a loss.

I love the Steelers version of the Wildcat. If Jay-Sam can pass ... that thing is going to be a nightmare for opposing defenses.

And forgive my optimism. I actually like the Steelers.
 
Vader said:
I don't claim to be an OL guru. But I know they always block inside out. You are not to double anyone if someone is coming in your lane. So it was a mistake. But that's what happens with new OG or bad OG. I guarantee you DeCastro doesn't double team a guy that is already guarded and allows a ILB to just walk through the middle of the OL.

I've never heard of any scheme that allows that.
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So, I played the game for a little while in college and I play a lot of Madden (seriously on a competitive level).

Hypothetically speaking, if the OG is pulling or if a dive is called - you're gonna see offensive linemen doubling. The problem on Bush's sack play was the back didn't slide up to protect Dalton. Why? Because TJ would have come free and killed him...

It was the perfect defensive call for that one play.
 
Sarge said:
I admire your optimism, but the Ravens are going to run the Steelers out of their own building.
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Maybe, but I like that Vince Williams will be back to help neutralize the Ravens' running game. And Ola was playing the run well last night, hope he sees more time. Our DL played lights out. I'm not sold on Lamar Jackson, but yeah, they're a better overall team IMHO.
 
bermudasteel said:
Maybe, maybe not. The lowly Browns set the blueprint on stopping Lamar Jackson - don't think that we won't employ some of those strategies :bump2:
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Watched a lot of that game. The Clowns were missing 3 of their 4 starters in the defensive backfield, including both starting corners (Williams, Ward). They played soft zone about 90% of the time, with the CB's 7-10 yards off the LOS. Jackson loves the deep ball. However, he is captain one-read. If the first guy is covered, he tucks and runs.

The zone blanketed the deep balls. Jackson looked lost. He kept tucking the ball and running around. Sometimes he chewed up quite a few yards on the runs, others he was smoked. He is also terrible at keeping his eyes downfield when running around. Now and again he will dump it off short, but he never picks a guy running deep on his scrambles.

So look for a lot of soft zone. Don't get all worked up - it is the defense to use against him. I think San Diego did the same thing a lot in the playoffs, playing 3-deep zone and simply taking away the deep pass on a guy running wide open.

Also, on offense, the Brownies ran Chubb wide a lot. Time after time. The Rats' defensive tackles were worn out in the 4th when Chubb went off the right guard for 88 yards. Run wide. Run the wildcat. Keep the chains moving. Watch the Rats defense wilt.

Finally, the Clowns are for real. Their offense has weapons, and a good line. Their D, with the starting CB's available, is legit. They are going to be a tough match-up.
 
bermudasteel said:
So, I played the game for a little while in college and I play a lot of Madden (seriously on a competitive level).

Hypothetically speaking, if the OG is pulling or if a dive is called - you're gonna see offensive linemen doubling. The problem on Bush's sack play was the back didn't slide up to protect Dalton. Why? Because TJ would have come free and killed him...

It was the perfect defensive call for that one play.
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I only saw the play twice so I don't know the play call or who was suppose to take whom(?) who(?)... anyway I just saw the RG go to double and then a "OH NO" look on his face as he tries to pick up Bush. I assumed he missed a read. I don't know that but that's what it looked like. Again I'm not an OL guy so it's possible the defense was just a perfect call.
 
Game Balls, Game Goats, & FU's.........vs Bengals

Vader said:
I'm not arguing any of that. I'd take a little issue with players getting better and better. That isn't always true. I'm not holding any particular game against him. Some are holding one game as the standard. I am not. He played 3 games before last night. He was not good in any of them until last night. And last night was against a horrible team that may not win 2 games all year.

Bush probably will get better but he isn't going to get any bigger. He's probably always going to struggle against OL, TEs, and RBs that come at him. If he can avoid them then fine. But he isn't going to be Ray Lewis IMHO. I see him as a steady ILB that may do very well if the front can keep him clean. Playing against good teams with good OLs is going to be a task for him.

Also I've said many times he shouldn't be starting. He isn't ready yet. He needs time. I wish Vince hadn't gotten hurt. That would allow him time to watch a little more and learn.
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Just for context and clarity, Bush is 9th in tackles after 4 games. The next rookie is Q. Williams at 39th. Bush is tied for 1st in FR at 3 as well.


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Ike Kelly said:
Just for context and clarity, Bush is 9th in tackles after 4 games. The next rookie is Q. Williams at 39th. Bush is tied for 1st in FR at 3 as well.


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Tell me who is #1? Right some guy you've never heard of for AZ. He's there because AZ can't get off the field (heard of that before) and he makes a ton of tackles every game. The list is full of MLBs and ILBs because that's who gets the tackles. I know he picked up 3 fumbles. He did so because he was blocked so far out of the play when the ball came out he was standing there.
 
bermudasteel said:
You do realize that we only have Hodges behind Rudy, right??? Putting your only QB in danger by running a sneak play against a 10 man front ain't smart...

The bottom line is Coach Fitchner has to be better calling short yardage plays.
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Oh yes I understand very well. I'm not even saying they had to call it last night. It's just a pattern that goes back a while. It is definitely something you might want your offense to feel comfortable with, if say, the game is on the line.
 
Steelers did a solid job of getting the high yardage bungles off the field. Bush shined. Made plays on the TE and made tackles for losses..

We can go round and round but the fact is he showed promise.. trying hard to shine a negative light on him doesn't diminish that fact.

My bet offer is still on the table.
 
Steelin said:
Oh yes I understand very well. I'm not even saying they had to call it last night. It's just a pattern that goes back a while. It is definitely something you might want your offense to feel comfortable with, if say, the game is on the line.
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And I don't believe there's a history of QBs getting hurt from QB sneaks. Hell, Tammy wouldn't do it so much if there was. There's just not enough space between them to create the velocity needed to seriously injure somebody IMO.
 
Thank God for the Bengals, the defense won the show, they get the blue ribbon, everyone looked good
 
Steelworth said:
And I don't believe there's a history of QBs getting hurt from QB sneaks. Hell, Tammy wouldn't do it so much if there was. There's just not enough space between them to create the velocity needed to seriously injure somebody IMO.
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I mean it does happen though. Usually it's when they try to stretch out in an attempt to convert or some other risky moves.
 
Steelin said:
I mean it does happen though. Usually it's when they try to stretch out in an attempt to convert or some other risky moves.
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I'm sure it does happen too. I just don't think it's dangerous enough not to attempt them here and there.
 
Steelworth said:
And I don't believe there's a history of QBs getting hurt from QB sneaks. Hell, Tammy wouldn't do it so much if there was. There's just not enough space between them to create the velocity needed to seriously injure somebody IMO.
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I ain't risking anything at this point...PUNT IT AWAY LOL!!!
 
Sarge said:
I'll give you a hint. The Steelers line up for 4th and 1, showing run all the way. Bengals bring nine in the box. Tomlin call TO. They come back from the TO showing run all the way, in damn near the same formation, Bengals bring nine in the box and stuff that ****. That is the problem.

No imagination. Arrogance. Stupidity.
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During the game I was trying to remember a critical play where we called time out then converted it... or conversely stopped it on D... it feels like an in game TO is just a death sentence for the next play
 
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