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Elephant in the room

I think this draft there is at least 5 first rounders. Lawrence , Lance, Jones, and Wilson. Seriously be heavily surprised with how many needy QB teams they don't come off the board early. Like before pick 25. Trask could sneak in too and is one of my favorites despite not being the popular choice. I like his ability to read the field and accurately deliver. But if I was a betting man I would say those five are locks.
 
Hines57 said:
The Cheats got Newton cheap last year. We can find a veteran QB and draft a rookie behind him. I think you do both.
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Hines57 said:
Still a former league MVP. There's always a veteran QB to be had on the cheap.
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Why in the hell would the Steelers have any interest in any of the crappy potential FA quarterbacks I listed? Seriously, look at the names.

Also, your reference to Newton proves my point, I believe. 71.0 rating in 2019, signed as a FA, and follows up with his 2020 masterpiece: 8 TD's, 10 interceptions, 82.9 rating and a 7-8 record.

Just good enough to win 7 or 8 games and make sure the draft spot is in the middle of the pack, and far too bad to make it even possible to consider doing **** in the playoffs if you somehow stumble in as a wildcard with a 9-7 record.

And of course there is always some veteran available on the cheap. Know why? They suck. Do you think an above-average QB - not great, just good - can be had "cheap"? Yeah, no.
 
Steeltime said:
Why in the hell would the Steelers have any interest in any of the crappy potential FA quarterbacks I listed? Seriously, look at the names.

Also, your reference to Newton proves my point, I believe. 71.0 rating in 2019, signed as a FA, and follows up with his 2020 masterpiece: 8 TD's, 10 interceptions, 82.9 rating and a 7-8 record.

Just good enough to win 7 or 8 games and make sure the draft spot is in the middle of the pack, and far too bad to make it even possible to consider doing **** in the playoffs if you somehow stumble in as a wildcard with a 9-7 record.

And of course there is always some veteran available on the cheap. Know why? They suck. Do you think an above-average QB - not great, just good - can be had "cheap"? Yeah, no.
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You sign a veteran QB as a fail safe and go to the draft for the future. Could be like the Chargers last year who had Taylor, guy got hurt and the Herbert took over...kind of like some guy named Roethlisberger did 17 years ago.....
 
Hines57 said:
You sign a veteran QB as a fail safe and go to the draft for the future. Could be like the Chargers last year who had Taylor, guy got hurt and the Herbert took over...kind of like some guy named Roethlisberger did 17 years ago.....
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That's what I suggested. Don't re-sign Ben, deal with the cap hell today and don't put it off, have Rudolph handle the position, and draft a replacement this year, when the QB pool is very deep and pretty darn good.

Next year's crop is hot garbage. Sam Howell is #1, then ... Kedon Slovis and Bo Nix. Wait, what? Howell would probably be the 4th or 5th best QB in this class and is not as interesting a prospect as Trask.

So if the Steelers wait until 2022 to get a replacement, they will have a better draft slot because the team is unlikely to win more than 8 games. Great. But the talent pool is as shallow as 21's thought process so they wind up with a mediocre guy.
 
Steeltime said:
That's what I suggested. Don't re-sign Ben, deal with the cap hell today and don't put it off, have Rudolph handle the position, and draft a replacement this year, when the QB pool is very deep and pretty darn good.

Next year's crop is hot garbage. Sam Howell is #1, then ... Kedon Slovis and Bo Nix. Wait, what? Howell would probably be the 4th or 5th best QB in this class and is not as interesting a prospect as Trask.

So if the Steelers wait until 2022 to get a replacement, they will have a better draft slot because the team is unlikely to win more than 8 games. Great. But the talent pool is as shallow as 21's thought process so they wind up with a mediocre guy.
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Hard to say what the draft pool will look like from year to year. There could also be some small school QBs that creep into the top of the draft. We see that from time to time. Other players slide because they don't have QB size like Brees or Wilson. Franchise QBs via the draft is the ultimate dice roll.
 
SteelerSask said:
The number 4 rated guy played at North Dakota. Or more accurately didn't play last year. I've seen many of these qb rich drafts pan out terrible. Not interested at 24. Pass.
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More accurately, it was North Dakota State.

And it's funny that you would try and berate a college which already has two quarterbacks listed at #1 or #2 on NFL depth charts. There's only 9 other schools that also qualify: Oklahoma (3) and NC State (3), along with Michigan, Auburn, Oregon State, Missouri, Arizona, Oregon, and Cal (all with 2).
 
TDX27 said:
I haven't seen any mock with those numbers. ****, some had Fields, who had been the No. 2 QB taken in most mocks then sliding potentially out of the 1st round.
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Really? You haven't?

Well, as recently as March 7th, McShay had the Panthers trading up for Fields at #3, with the first 4 picks all being quarterbacks. You've heard of Todd McShay, yes?
 
topseed said:
More accurately, it was North Dakota State.

And it's funny that you would try and berate a college which already has two quarterbacks listed at #1 or #2 on NFL depth charts. There's only 9 other schools that also qualify: Oklahoma (3) and NC State (3), along with Michigan, Auburn, Oregon State, Missouri, Arizona, Oregon, and Cal (all with 2).
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I'm not berating them. It's just difficult to say what he will be when he doesn't play against NFL level talent.
 
Hines57 said:
I don't see there being a franchise QB where we are drafting. History has proven me wrong with many QBs drafted lower, but its the biggest dice roll of any. We can find a free agent QB next year off the scrap heap to come in and play and draft around our holes at other positions first.
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Its just that this qb class has all the earmarks of a really good qb slipping really low... it’s absolutely loaded with talent... the qb position is stacked with top half of the first round talent, a good portion of the league either just drafted a guy recently
 
SteelerSask said:
I'm not berating them. It's just difficult to say what he will be when he doesn't play against NFL level talent.
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It's difficult to say how any young quarterback is going to adapt to the NFL. North Dakota State has a recent track record with QBs and has been the best FCS team in the country for many years -- it's not going to scare teams away from taking Lance early in the first round.
 
I think the Stanford guy end of first rd Will be our elephant in the room... if you believe Canada’s stupid offense is our future then he’s perfect... can run and throw and think on his feet... he’s needs to sit behind Ben a bit learn speed of game but he’s legit starter at some point as compared to the other qbs on this roster or maybe even in this draft. He can legitimately run a legit RPO offense. and will probably go around where we draft if N.E. Don’t draft him.. trask is like the dude that came out of memphis state...fools gold.. a bore... Stanford kid has got something that can be built on... really good feet resets off run, good arm hits open man, won’t cost arm n leg... i was thinking 3rd but u got to think his stock is going to go up.. but it can only go so far with his limited college time. Standford‘s left tackle Is interesting too he’s weird he doesnt look like a monster type looks more like a basketball player. But just doesn’t give up sacks.. rushers can’t beat him... 2nd or 3rd rounder maybe let him sit behind the general for a year? Go Steelers! Go Stanford lol
 
I really see no way we take a QB in round 1 or even this draft. We need a RB and OL big time, right now. QB is way down on the list and there is no way by the time we pick, a QB is the BPA or BPA at a position of need for us. I would be thoroughly shocked if we did pick a QB and it would basically be writing off this season (we would have too many open holes with no way to fill them other than we bottom-of-the-barrel free agents) and Ben's apparent last season playing.
 
TDX27 said:
I really see no way we take a QB in round 1 or even this draft. We need a RB and OL big time, right now. QB is way down on the list and there is no way by the time we pick, a QB is the BPA or BPA at a position of need for us. I would be thoroughly shocked if we did pick a QB and it would basically be writing off this season (we would have too many open holes with no way to fill them other than we bottom-of-the-barrel free agents) and Ben's apparent last season playing.
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There's a way but only if the right guy in their eyes fall, take the QB and then trade future picks to be able to draft T, RB, C and apparently CB now too
 
Litos said:
There's a way but only if the right guy in their eyes fall, take the QB and then trade future picks to be able to draft T, RB, C and apparently CB now too
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I hear you but I just don't see it. If it happens, I'll analyze it then but for now, I just don't see it making much sense to gamble that much on a QB late in the 1st when you can get a stud RB and then trade up in the 2nd to get a starting OL (or vice versa). They still apparently like Rudolph and want to give Haskins a chance (albeit a slim chance) in camp to see if he can make the team and turn things around. A QB makes some sense if they definitely know they have no QB at all next year when Ben retires - meaning Rudolph won't be signed and Haskins is still a bust. They'd be looking to the draft and free agency.
 
Litos said:
There's a way but only if the right guy in their eyes fall, take the QB and then trade future picks to be able to draft T, RB, C and apparently CB now too
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And this is the thing right here. You kept Ben so you are not pushing your chips in cause you did that last year. Now you are pushing what is left after the dude next to you doubled up through you in a hail Mary. So it's like a lot of the people who wanted Ben back wanna hedge and take a qb at 24. No. Commit to the strategy. You are down linebackers, secondary, certainly a running back and Oline. But if the mythical "your guy" is there take him at 24. Look. A QB could become awesome from the third round. But no team's guy is there at 24. Maybe the guy they didn't think would be there by five or so picks. But the consensus top guys from the draft are all long gone.
 
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